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18 hours ago, The Glow Inc. said:

You have to remember that Duff and Slash took the risk to fire Scott Weiland, one of the most respected rock singers, out of their band because of his drug related problems.

Do you think that after taking such a drastic decision and after the mess that was GnR for the last twenty years, they would bet on Steven Adler for an entire tour ? They didn't even bet on him for their personal side-projects during that time gap.

It's sad but it is what it is. When you are a professional musician and you get to play at that level, you don't risk losing it all on someone that inconsistent.

 

I'm not sure if Weiland was a respected singer. His own band fired him... twice.

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On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Modano09 said:

It's not about how he plays, it's about putting an unreliable drug addict in a position where a $3 million per show tour is relying on them. It's not 1988 anymore, these guys aren't going to tolerate a drunk/high drummer as long as he can play on stage. He's been "sober almost a year" for 26 years now, so I wouldn't put much stock into that, and how about this - Slash pushes to give Alder a chance, Axl's against it, but agrees. Alder screws it up, as he's likely to do. Think that causes tension?

Look at it this way - if Alder were in jail right now, and unavailable to be part of GNR, would people be ragging on Frank for not being Alder? Or ragging on the band for not including him? No, because he wouldn't have been an option and it would be his own fault. Well it's the same thing. He's not an option to be what people want him to be because of his own fault.

 

 

This and what others are saying. People also don't realize he only did 1 CD with them 4 more were recorded after Steven counting CD. Well I guess we could count Lies as well so technically 2 in a way.

Sure Stevens so happy and smiley but he sued these guys over his own addictions. Yes others were addicted to which is why Axl said he was the last to push Steven out.

Many say but Slash would be happy yet Steven in his own book said Slash and Duff stopped speaking to him and hanging with him long before he was fired. In fact when he overdosed it was Axl who was always rumored to have a distaste for Steven who sat at his bedside until he got better.

So no I don't think having a sensitive guy who has had drug troubles still would make Slash or Duff happy. Steven even said in his many interviews where he's begging and hoping to be brought back that Slash and Duff don't trust or believe he's clean. He talks about how they don't like him and sort of acts like a kid again that sensitive kid glove thing. He even mentions how he tries to get Slash over the years to meet him for dinner and Slash never answers him or calls back.

 

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1 hour ago, bigpoop said:

He sued them because they tried to dick him out of his royalties. Anyone in his position would have done the same.

That may have been part of it, but a major part of his lawsuit was about how it was their fault he was on drugs, and how he wasn't the only one in the band who was an addict. Part of Axl's testimony in court is actually on YouTube somewhere, and that's all Adler's lawyer is grilling him about...the drugs the other band members use, etc.

Of course that's bullshit. Adler by his own admission started using well before he was in GnR. And nobody EVER denied that there were a bunch of other addicts in the band...but they were functional enough to show up at rehearsals and work. Everyone from Tom Zutaut down has basically said that Adler's issue was NOT that he took drugs; just that he took them to the point of no longer being able to function as a band member and couldn't scale back.

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4 hours ago, GunsDK said:

So this guy plays 4 GNR songs (out of a 5 song set) but he won't perform with the actual band? Wtf. That makes no sense.

He put his back out whilst rehearsing with GNR according to reports. Adler hasn't confirmed, though. 

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9 hours ago, stella said:

That may have been part of it, but a major part of his lawsuit was about how it was their fault he was on drugs, and how he wasn't the only one in the band who was an addict. Part of Axl's testimony in court is actually on YouTube somewhere, and that's all Adler's lawyer is grilling him about...the drugs the other band members use, etc.

Of course that's bullshit. Adler by his own admission started using well before he was in GnR. And nobody EVER denied that there were a bunch of other addicts in the band...but they were functional enough to show up at rehearsals and work. Everyone from Tom Zutaut down has basically said that Adler's issue was NOT that he took drugs; just that he took them to the point of no longer being able to function as a band member and couldn't scale back.

Come on, so the guy wasn't even able to play drums but he could come up with an evil masterplan to fuck his former bandmates? That's lawyers doing what they do, trying to make money no matter what it takes. Things between Axl, Duff and Slash would have probably gotten better way earlier if they weren't "communicating" through fn' lawyers.

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Just now, BorderlineCrazy said:

Come on, so the guy wasn't even able to play drums but he could come up with an evil masterplan to fuck his former bandmates? That's lawyers doing what they do, trying to make money no matter what it takes. Things between Axl, Duff and Slash would have probably gotten better way earlier if they weren't "communicating" through fn' lawyers.

Not sure where you got that from my post. The OP I was referring to said that Adler's lawsuit was only about royalties; the point was that there was all this other shit thrown into the mix. In fact I think I specially *said* that it was Adler's *lawyer* who was grilling Axl on the drug stupidity.

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5 minutes ago, stella said:

Not sure where you got that from my post. The OP I was referring to said that Adler's lawsuit was only about royalties; the point was that there was all this other shit thrown into the mix. In fact I think I specially *said* that it was Adler's *lawyer* who was grilling Axl on the drug stupidity.

No, he said that was the reason why he decided to fill a lawsuit against them, or that's what I understood at least.

My post wasn't against you, though. I just mean I don't think the fact Steven filled a lawsuit against GNR affects his possibilites to be involved again (I read someone implied something like that). They're all grown, mature and clean now, if Steven wants to be included, he has to commit to behave a certain way. If he fails to do that, he'll be out and will have nothing to complain about or arguments to sue anyone, plus he'll lose the support he now has from the fans.

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28 minutes ago, stella said:

Not sure where you got that from my post. The OP I was referring to said that Adler's lawsuit was only about royalties; the point was that there was all this other shit thrown into the mix. In fact I think I specially *said* that it was Adler's *lawyer* who was grilling Axl on the drug stupidity.

Steven said in his book his mother I believe hired an attorney. He was still drugging it up and didn't pay it much mind someone else did it for him.

And I don't deny it was over Stevens royalties but his whole defense as I said was the other used drugs or pushed him to use more drugs.

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12 minutes ago, BorderlineCrazy said:

No, he said that was the reason why he decided to fill a lawsuit against them, or that's what I understood at least.

My post wasn't against you, though. I just mean I don't think the fact Steven filled a lawsuit against GNR affects his possibilites to be involved again (I read someone implied something like that). They're all grown, mature and clean now, if Steven wants to be included, he has to commit to behave a certain way. If he fails to do that, he'll be out and will have nothing to complain about or arguments to sue anyone, plus he'll lose the support he now has from the fans.

Ok, it's all good.

I do agree that the lawsuit from 26 years ago is irrelevant now and shouldn't have any effect on his chances. The question is going to be if he's now taking more responsibility for his own behavior. I totally agree that if Adler has any chance of participating in any way -- and I think that's limited to possibly being a guest at this point, and even that's not looking likely -- he's going to have to toe a very strict line, and if he fails to do so, that will be the last chance for him. if they were to give him a chance and he were to screw up again, I don't think anyone could argue for his inclusion anymore. However, since Duff already gave him a chance to open on the Loaded tour and he blew it, that ship might have already sailed for him. Remains to be seen, I guess.

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3 minutes ago, BOSSY78 said:

Steven said in his boom his mother I believe hired an attorney. He was still drugging it up and didn't pay it much mind someone else did it for him.

At that point considering how out of it he was, it certainly would have been easy for anyone to lead him in the direction they wanted.

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38 minutes ago, stella said:

Not sure where you got that from my post. The OP I was referring to said that Adler's lawsuit was only about royalties; the point was that there was all this other shit thrown into the mix. In fact I think I specially *said* that it was Adler's *lawyer* who was grilling Axl on the drug stupidity.

Steven said in his boom his mother I believe hired an attorney. He was still drugging it up and didn't pay it much mind someone else did it for him.

I agree about leading him in the right direction. I also think Steven deserved more then 2000. Which is what his royalties were supposedly prior to the lawsuit. Unfortunately as you said Stella the lawsuit and any footage we could see focused on band members doing drugs. It was the whole defense.

As you said he burned bridges with Duff. He also burnt them with Slash. People keep saying they would rather play with Steven but I don't see it that way. I see it as a lack of trust that he can stay clean or is clean and not wanting to deal with his sensitivity. I do think they plan for some guest appearances but not a full time thing 

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3 minutes ago, BOSSY78 said:

As you said he burned bridges with Duff. He also burnt them with Slash. People keep saying they would rather play with Steven but I don't see it that way. I see it as a lack of trust that he can stay clean or is clean and not wanting to deal with his sensitivity. I do think they plan for some guest appearances but not a full time thing 

I don't think he's burnt any bridges with Slash. His complaints about not being the drummer on Slash's solo album are too old, especially considering that Slash ended up inviting him to play a song. After that they did the Hall Of Fame thing and then Steven invited Slash to play on his record. 

I agree (I think we all do) that he's involvement (if there's any), we'll be as a guest, not as the full time drummer. At least initially. Maybe if after some time they saw Steven's doing well and they could work things out with Izzy, they would go back to the original five (perhaps with Dizzy and Melissa) but Steven has a long way to go before that's even considered IMO.

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21 minutes ago, BorderlineCrazy said:

I don't think he's burnt any bridges with Slash. His complaints about not being the drummer on Slash's solo album are too old, especially considering that Slash ended up inviting him to play a song. After that they did the Hall Of Fame thing and then Steven invited Slash to play on his record. 

I agree (I think we all do) that he's involvement (if there's any), we'll be as a guest, not as the full time drummer. At least initially. Maybe if after some time they saw Steven's doing well and they could work things out with Izzy, they would go back to the original five (perhaps with Dizzy and Melissa) but Steven has a long way to go before that's even considered IMO.

I'd have to look around but in the months before this was announced Steven was running wild giving interviews the way he talked and his words Slash and Duff both don't trust he's clean and don't like him. He mentions trying to get together with Slash and also saying that Matt told him he wouldn't do it without him. 

I guess I based most of my stuff off that and some of his book. 

But yea as you said possible guest appearances for now

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I decided to post one of Stevens last interviews so it's easier to see his quotes. I actually listened to it on Eddie Trunk back in September when it was done. I'm sure we have all seen this before

Ex-GUNS N' ROSES drummer Steven Adler says that he has not been approached by any of his former bandmates about a possible reunion of the classic GN'R lineup and blames the lack of communication in part on the fact that Slash and Duff McKagan don't believe that he is sober.

Slash recently revealed that he and GUNS N' ROSES' lead singer, Axl Rose, had repaired their estranged relationship after nearly 20 years, immediately leading to a storm of speculation about a possible reunion of the classic GUNS lineup.

Asked point blank if he knows anything about a rumored reunion of GUNS N' ROSES' "Appetite For Destruction" lineup, Adler told Eddie Trunk during a September 28 appearance on Trunk's SiriusXM satellite radio show, "Eddie Trunk Live": "Nothing. Even if it was happening, I don't think Slash would tell me, because he knows how excited I get and that I would probably say something before I should. I would be the last one to know."

Adler, who was famously fired from GUNS N' ROSES in 1990 for his rampant drug use, added that part of the reason he hasn't heard anything about a rumored GUNS reunion is the fact that he hasn't been able to convince his former bandmates that he is clean from alcohol and drugs.

"I love those guys, and I always will, but Duff, he doesn't think I'm cool," Adler said. "He doesn't think I'm a cool guy. This is what people tell me. And he doesn't think I'm cool and that I'm not that great of a drummer. And Slash, he doesn't believe that I have 21 months and 21 days sober. He doesn't believe it. I don't know why, but they forget that at one time in their life, they were doing drugs and drinking and they were fucking up. They forget that they were like that too. Duff has got 20 years sober or more, Slash has got, like, 11 or 12 years sober, and I've got a year, nine months and 21 days. So everybody gets it at a different time. I'm just thankful I got it."

He went on to say: "They don't think I'm cool and they don't think I can play drums that great and they don't think I'm sober. Duff, he has a right, in a way, but, like I said, he forgets where he came from too. But we did do some shows [together] in Japan [in 2013], and Duff invited [Steven's current band] ADLER to come down, and I was still drinking then. And the second I got to the airport, I made a beeline for the bar, and I just started doing shots of Jäger. And the whole trip I was sick and I was just a mess. And, you know, Duff's sober and he's very judgmental and forgetful of where he came from. And he was just so bummed and pissed at me. I mean, the playing part, the shows when we actually were performing, that went all right, but everything else… So I kind of ruined it and gave him the excuse to be able to say, 'Well, he's not cool and he's not that good.' But I stopped doing that. They stopped doing that. Just because they stopped doing it before I did doesn't make them any better. We're all people who have addiction problems. I was just able to get a grip on it later on in life than they did."

Asked what the turning point was for him to get his life together and stop going into detoxes and rehabs, Adler said: "I learned from going to meetings with the right people and talking to the right people at AA meetings and stuff, and I got a great sponsor, and we worked it out. My problem was I had resentment towards those guys [GUNS N' ROSES bandmates], and towards other things, and I had abandonment issues. So once I was able to forgive those guys and realize it wasn't them to blame, but me to blame — I did what I did to me; they didn't do what they did to me; I did it to myself — and once I started hating them, I was able to… and have some time, 'cause it takes time for the brain to heal after drinking so much. Alcohol fucks your brain up and it takes a good nine, ten, eleven [months or] a year until you actually start thinking clear again. Now I'm just able to live my life and be happy with who I am."

According to Adler, he is still in contact with Slash, but he hasn't been able to convince the guitarist to meet with him in person for quite some time. "I'm always trying to get [Slash] to go to Crossroads, this vegan restaurant," Adler said. "I [tell him], 'Get your girlfriend and come meet me and my wife over… And John 5 [ROB ZOMBIE]. I say, meet me and John 5 and Rita over at Crossroads for brunch or dinner.' [And he writes back] 'Ehh, I can't. I'm working.' I'm going, 'You've gotta be home way more than that. Just come meet with me. Let's go have a cup of coffee.'

Asked if it's true that he recently said that he would kill himself if the classic GUNS N' ROSES lineup reunited without him, Adler said: "I would probably feel like I would wanna kill myself, but I wouldn't. I would probably just kill them. [Laughs] 'Cause if I'm not doing it, they're not doing it. If I'm going down, they're going down."

Adler also expressed frustration over the fact that so many world-famous musicians, including GUNS N' ROSES, can't seem to overcome personal differences and reunite for the sake of their fans.

"I don't understand what the problem is," he said. "We're just rock bands. We all started practicing in our garage or our bedroom. We met each other, and we started playing in our garage, then we worked on songs. This is what we wanted to do. Our dreams came true.

"I don't know why it's so difficult for people that have been successful and still can moderately successful," he continued. "Of course, nobody's gonna be like they were in the '80s; that was our generation. It's a new generation now of music and people and kids. But there are bands like BON JOVI and METALLICA and the GUNS N' ROSES reunion; [if that were to happen] that would be huge."

Adler added: "I don't get it. We just play music. We're living our dream. Why does everybody have to be such a dick and so fucking crazy? It's, like, hey, we play music. When we're together, we play it really great. Let's just do it. What's the problem?"

Despite the fact that he hasn't heard anything about a possible reunion of the classic GUNS lineup, Adler remains optimistic about his future. "Even if the GN'R thing doesn't happen, I'm still gonna do what I'm doing every day," he said. "I'm gonna keep living, being happy, practicing, playing with my band. I wasted enough time in a blackout, in a haze. I'm living now."


Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/guns-roses-steven-adler-slash-and-duff-mckagan-dont-believe-i-am-21-months-sober/#WtzVZMVRGJdJH4C7.99

Steven also failed to show up at Rock to Recovery where he was supposed to perform with Slash back in February

 

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Thank you for posting that! Going by the quotes below, it really doesn't sound like Duff and Slash want to be involved with Steven in any way. Slash doesn't even want to go out for dinner or coffee with him. :shrugs: And Duff was/is pissed at him and disappointed? It's hard to even imagine that considering what an easy-going, sweet guy Duff normally is. And that interview is from September, so pretty recent actually. I wouldn't bet on Slash's and Duff's feelings towards Steven having changed all that much since then. Especially since the interview makes it seem as if Steven recently disappointed Slash again only in February.

1 hour ago, BOSSY78 said:

"I love those guys, and I always will, but Duff, he doesn't think I'm cool," Adler said. "He doesn't think I'm a cool guy. This is what people tell me. And he doesn't think I'm cool and that I'm not that great of a drummer. And Slash, he doesn't believe that I have 21 months and 21 days sober. He doesn't believe it."

He went on to say: "They don't think I'm cool and they don't think I can play drums that great and they don't think I'm sober. Duff, he has a right, in a way, but, like I said, he forgets where he came from too. But we did do some shows [together] in Japan [in 2013], and Duff invited [Steven's current band] ADLER to come down, and I was still drinking then. And the second I got to the airport, I made a beeline for the bar, and I just started doing shots of Jäger. And the whole trip I was sick and I was just a mess. And, you know, Duff's sober and he's very judgmental and forgetful of where he came from. And he was just so bummed and pissed at me. I mean, the playing part, the shows when we actually were performing, that went all right, but everything else… So I kind of ruined it and gave him the excuse to be able to say, 'Well, he's not cool and he's not that good.'

1 hour ago, BOSSY78 said:

According to Adler, he is still in contact with Slash, but he hasn't been able to convince the guitarist to meet with him in person for quite some time. "I'm always trying to get [Slash] to go to Crossroads, this vegan restaurant," Adler said. "I [tell him], 'Get your girlfriend and come meet me and my wife over… And John 5 [ROB ZOMBIE]. I say, meet me and John 5 and Rita over at Crossroads for brunch or dinner.' [And he writes back] 'Ehh, I can't. I'm working.' I'm going, 'You've gotta be home way more than that. Just come meet with me. Let's go have a cup of coffee.'"

 

 

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On 4/29/2016 at 5:34 PM, Modano09 said:

The people IN THE BAND are happy with Frank. If a junkie that was thrown out of the band 26 years ago, before their biggest tour, is a deal breaker for you, don't buy tickets. But I don't see why so many people feel entitled to have the drummer they want in the band despite all the ways he could derail the band. It's actually mind boggling that Axl Rose and Slash, with Duff, have all gotten back together under the GNR banner and people are complaining that Steven Adler isn't involved. 

You don't know if the people in the band are happy with Frank or not.  And again, people just want a drummer that doesn't suck whether it be Adler or anyone else. If Frank was awesome at playing Gn'R songs, no one would give a shit.  Axl, Slash and Duff are back together. That is great but aside from Axl's voice, there is no reason why they shouldn't sound as good or even better than they did back in the day and they don't. 

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1 hour ago, Tom-Ass said:

You don't know if the peoplse in the band are happy with Frank or not.  And again, people just want a drummer that doesn't suck whether it be Adler or anyone else. If Frank was awesome at playing Gn'R songs, no one would give a shit.  Axl, Slash and Duff are back together. That is great but aside from Axl's voice, there is no reason why they shouldn't sound as good or even better than they did back in the day and they don't. 

I agree completely. I mean honestly, I think all things considered Axl actually sounds pretty good. Better then I expected even. And I DO want Adler, that said, If Frank was out there just fucking crushing it, I wouldn't have a bitch about it, but he's not and they can do better then him. Sorry Frank. Really, its not YOU, its US..Really. I mean honestly, I want Izzy too, but I think Fortus is doing a good job and is a hell of a guitar player, so I avoid bitching about that.

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