SWINGTRADER Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 10 hours ago, maxpax said: No different than the MTV train wreck. The man had absolutely no voice during this period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Adam S Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 I know it wasn't GNR but that was one of the most exciting bands ever put together!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpax Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 axl was better at pukkelpop than at the vmas. this band was interesting, but calling the band "guns n' roses" was just a horrible idea in so many ways. a vma performance still would have been shocking. and many people would have been intersted in this band. axls new look would have been good for his new vision/band. the change of gnr was like from face to heel in wrestling. or changing the WWE/WWF into the WCW. there was no need for changing the musical direction of GnR in 2002. people still wanted to hear axl, slash, duff...the proof for that was VR. it also would have been a better marketing choice if VR had a feud/rivalry with Axl's band. but all of this simply didn't happen...i will never understand why axl didn't realize that it would have been much easier for him just using his name for a new band. he was still one of the biggest names in rock. the releasing of new material would have been much more relaxing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bansidhe Posted May 4, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2016 They should have had a GN'R/VR 'Invasion' angle. Dave Kushner runs onstage at a Guns show, smacks Stinson with a chair then runs off into the crowd. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F*ck Fear Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 To me, it's always been Guns N' Roses. There are moments through-out the last 16 years that have been amazing. Boston/Albany/Toronto 2002 were fucking great!. Re-watching this VMA performance it's clear something was wrong, however the energy alone makes up for it. Plus, Madagascar was epic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real McCoy Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 14 years later and Fortus is the last man standing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateRadio Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Complete disaster. Sorry....1994 - April Fool's Day, 2016 (the hype was nice too) was a complete and utter disaster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lassie Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 4 hours ago, PirateRadio said: Complete disaster. Sorry....1994 - April Fool's Day, 2016 (the hype was nice too) was a complete and utter disaster. Turned into my worst phobia A crazy man's utopia If you're lost no one can show ya But it sure was glad to know ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 On May 4, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Bansidhe said: They should have had a GN'R/VR 'Invasion' angle. Dave Kushner runs onstage at a Guns show, smacks Stinson with a chair then runs off into the crowd. 19 hours ago, The Real McCoy said: 14 years later and Fortus is the last man standing. Chair shots... Last Man Standing... Are you guys thinking what I'm thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estranged_85 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, Wagszilla said: I read awhile ago on HTGTH that the sports jerseys look was specifically due to a stylist according to Jarmo. Even though they were en vogue at the time, it provided a cover for and exacerbated Axl's weight issues. weight issues? wtf is this weight issues nonsense coming from anyway between 1986-2007 he was NOT fat or had any obesity what so ever. in recent years he may have got some belly fat and a bit bulkier face but not obese in any way. it's almost ridiculous how some people think he is so fat when he's actually isn't If someone looked exactly the same when 20 or 50-60 i would be worried lol. Sorry for the OT but i'm VERY bored and whiny tonight.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2414225 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wagszilla said: I read awhile ago on HTGTH that the sports jerseys look was specifically due to a stylist according to Jarmo. Even though they were en vogue at the time, it provided a cover for and exacerbated Axl's weight issues. But the jerseys were not covers for his weight... These pics are apparently from the same night in December 2001. Axl looked really in shape and cool in that first pic. 8 months later he looked like this...totally botoxed...and fake hair... And here is another jersey pic from 1994 https://i.imgsafe.org/ed2e210a50.jpg Edited June 23, 2017 by 2414225 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOSIER GUNZ Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 There really does seem to be noticeable appearance differences during that period? Something must of caused it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 2 hours ago, 2414225 said: But the jerseys were not covers for his weight... These pics are apparently from the same night in December 2001. Axl looked really in shape and cool in that first pic. 8 months later he looked like this...totally botoxed...and fake hair... And here is another jersey pic from 1994 https://i.imgsafe.org/ed2e210a50.jpg No way that pic is 1994. And looking at all the pics- it's sad really. Too bad a sober Duff wasnt around to help him....too many users, hangers on and abusers took over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Waste of his youth - that's the first thing that comes to mind seeing those pics. He still looked young back then. If he had patched up with Duff and Slash, they would still have been vital and relevant enough to re-conquer the world and take back the rock throne. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dar97 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 On 2016-4-30 at 0:34 PM, Gibbo said: Thanks to JIMBEAM for this copy from the master Its a bit blocky on youtube for some reason It's probably so blocky because youtube compresses the crap out of everything you upload haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dar97 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 On 2016-4-30 at 1:23 PM, supercool said: madagascar is a good song. but it wasn't a good idea to play it at the vma because it's too sad. axl's voice isn't good, too weak, but he looked great, better than now (too fat). I believe that's the way he wanted it because in an interview i heard him say that fans weren't reacting to that very well so he reverted back to his raspy voice, he was trying to go for a very clean sounding voice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericy210 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 On 4/30/2016 at 7:58 AM, weaponsnflowers said: I can't understand why Axl didn't prep for that performance in advance. He was out of breath and really struggles to make it through vocally. He must have noticed by the time of the rehearsals that "fuck I'm out of shape". Why he didn't check himself before that is a mystery. You can believe it or not, but I think I recall correctly that he claimed to have had issues with his in-ear monitor. He did fiddle a lot with it during the performance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Dar97 said: It's probably so blocky because youtube compresses the crap out of everything you upload haha It's from a emmy screener DVD that tried to fit the entire 3+ hour show onto a single DVD - the compression artifacts were on the DVD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 2 hours ago, ericy210 said: You can believe it or not, but I think I recall correctly that he claimed to have had issues with his in-ear monitor. He did fiddle a lot with it during the performance. I think it was in the 06 Trunk interview, but he said he was running late and literally ran to the venue (and someone confused him for Kid Rock ) so that explains why he sounds out of breath... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWINGTRADER Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 The worst musical performance in the history of live television. THe entire package was a bad joke. The sad thing is that this was not a one-off. The entire year of 2002 was a damn train wreck. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Use Your Delusion 1 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 2002 was a complete disaster and killed any chance NuGNR had of being anything on any consequence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2414225 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 17 hours ago, SWINGTRADER said: The worst musical performance in the history of live television. THe entire package was a bad joke. The sad thing is that this was not a one-off. The entire year of 2002 was a damn train wreck. I think everyone who saw Axl and Gn'R years ago was 'Wtf?' that night. Simply everything about it was shocking. I even thought that Buckethead was just Slash dressed like a serial killer with a KFC bucket instead of his top head. You could see that Axl had problems with his ear plugs, but... It was his big global return...and it was the first time in his career that he had vocal problems. This performance destroyed Axl's and NuGnRs MTV career instantly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Its Tino Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I remember the first hint Fallon dropped during th show and my ears perked up like a dog. Then when I saw him wearing the GNR t-shirt I darted to grab a blank VHS tape to record it! I was 15 years old. That was also the first time I laid eyes on Bucket! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F*ck Fear Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 To say it was the worst musical performance in tv history is a bit of an exaggeration, no? Madagascar sounded pretty good, and the energy was high. Too bad Axl couldn't have been on point like he was during the NA tour a few months later (Albany, T.O., Boston). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Was this to promo the tour? I feel like by 2002 they knew the record wasnt coming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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