Locke Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Apologies if this has been mentioned in other threads. I frequent the board, but I can't keep up on everything. Anyway, I feel compelled to say that 2016 is the year of redemption in terms of the legacy of Axl Rose. The widespread perception of Axl from the general public seemed to be that he was that he was a reclusive, temperamental whack job who showed up late for every show. The reunion with Slash and Duff helped get the ball rolling, but it's not like anyone in GNR opened up about their reasons for reuniting or anything else. The initial round of shows were mostly well received, though there were the attack media types who picked them apart for everything from two missing original band members to Axl being seated, etc. The perception of Axl really seems to be changing even more thanks to his involvement with AC/DC. There are certainly fans and probably some media types who are hung up on Brian Johnson being out of the band. I get it. I just enjoy it for what it is. However, the reviews of his early performances seem to be overwhelmingly positive. Plus, Axl has spoken publicly about the shows and comes off very relaxed, respectful, and down to earth in the media appearances. He's absolutely killing it onstage with them. I had high hopes for the Bon Scott material, but I had no idea he would be so good on the Johnson material too. The point is that it seems like the tide has finally turned. People aren't talking about the eccentricities, they are talking about the reunion and the performances with AC/DC. He's winning over a lot of skeptics and is rewriting his own legacy in the process. Of course, he's a meltdown away from undoing a lot of the good he has done thus far, but it's been very cool to see so many positive things from him this year and the reminder to the world of his amazing talents. I hope the positive momentum continues to build and maybe, just maybe, results in new GNR material. Either way, good for him. I'm thrilled at the possibility that my favorite frontman/vocalist has a chance to be remembered for his talent above all else. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Archer Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Axl's legacy is complicated - there is good and bad in there and over time he's brought a lot of joy to people as well as upset a lot of people. He finally seems to be in a position where he's taking control of things and doing positive things to redeem his legacy and shape it going forward. As fans, we live in exciting times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RussTCB Posted May 13, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2016 Axl's legacy is gonna be a metric shit-ton better if he finishes the year the way he's started. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronartest2004 Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 If he keeps it up its going to be much better than it was looking to be a year ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modano09 Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 (edited) Unfortunately I don't think he'll ever rehab his image to the casuals who know him as the temperamental diva who broke up the biggest band of all time and spent 15 years making a shitty album. I don't necessarily believe that myself, but that seems to be the popular opinion of him for those who know him but haven't followed him since GNR broke up. I think what he needs to do is put a new album out and go on tour with GNR the way he's on tour with AC/DC. Happy, smiling, on time, talking to the media, respectful. Anyone who knows him says he's actually a really nice person, he just needs to let people see more of that and less flipping out on stage. Edited May 13, 2016 by Modano09 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 It seems Axl is gonna go out like he came in. He/Guns came outta nowhere....blew up huge and then poof. Now all of a sudden he/they are the biggest thing going. And (it's sad but he's 54 and not getting younger) I have a feeling they are gonna blow up again (in a great way) and then poof again....be gone. See em while you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadApples87 Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Axl Rose was the best from 87-90. 91-93 was a mixed bag of awesome and destruction. 1994-2015 he became a joke, which is really sad. Now, the current chapter, titled "Redemption" will greatly improve his legacy so long as things go well......and so far they are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Keep this year's tour going strong with no blow ups or missed shows. Release an album just in time for the summer GnR tour Just in time for Christmas release a live DVD for acdc and for the first couple GnR shows. Axl Rose autobiography. Best year of Axl Rose's career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpoop Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Axl's will be remembered for the songs on Appetite for Destruction. That's the only really timeless thing he's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philipm787 Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Axl is still a douchebag to the general public, who are not really ACDC and GNR fans. Trust me, I've had a tonne of people say it to me. If he puts himself into the mainstream media in a good light, between the 'DC, Guns shows and change in behaviour, he will have redeemed his persona and his legacy. It's a great time to be a GNR fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Axl made his mark, then became famous and then infamous. Now he's just rolling as a living legend. Axl's not an artist he's a fucking work of art. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNRfan2008 Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 On 5/13/2016 at 8:57 PM, Modano09 said: Unfortunately I don't think he'll ever rehab his image to the casuals who know him as the temperamental diva who broke up the biggest band of all time and spent 15 years making a shitty album. I don't necessarily believe that myself, but that seems to be the popular opinion of him for those who know him but haven't followed him since GNR broke up. I think what he needs to do is put a new album out and go on tour with GNR the way he's on tour with AC/DC. Happy, smiling, on time, talking to the media, respectful. Anyone who knows him says he's actually a really nice person, he just needs to let people see more of that and less flipping out on stage. Judging by the number of delusional, overly negative comments about his vocals I've seen in recent days on YouTube videos, I think you are right. He made his bed and now he gets to lay in it. Some of these people are completely unhinged though. One of them threatened to shoot him with a shotgun. And Axl is the crazy person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanboy Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Axl is like the Cinderella Man of rock n'roll. (movie with Russel Crowe about the life story of James Braddock) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spliff Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 More like that mark walhberg movie rock star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RQRQ Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Love him or hate him hes making his mark on the world of rock. I'm loving seeing positive press about him and think for better or worse both intentionally and unintentionally hes made sure hes one of the rock legends that will be spoken and written about when he's long gone. When its all over and done with i'd love to see him bow out on a high and i think the possibility of that happening has increased more than i ever thought it could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good, Fuck'n, Night. Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 6 hours ago, bigpoop said: Axl's will be remembered for the songs on Appetite for Destruction. That's the only really timeless thing he's done. Yea, Nah. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bono Posted May 14, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) Axl's legacy hinges on new material and that is the bottom line. Touring with AC/DC has warmed people up to him and has lots of people are saying "Oh wow he's actually really good" and a GnR "reunion" tour has people excited but the fact is whether anyone wants to admit this or not, these tours are not lasting and they aren't providing anyone with anything new they can hold on to and all tours eventually end and when they do people move on. He needs new material. CD was not accepted and again whether those who live in the bubble of online GnR forums want to admit it or not, Axl's career outside of a GnR with Slash is in fact considerd a failure. Axl's legacy has be tarnished big time by the CD era. He's percieved as the reason GnR broke up, his horrendous performances (MTV '02, Rio '11, Bridge School '12) are forever online and sadly this AC/DC tour alone can't erase those and neither can the GnR tour. Axl's time in AC/DC at the end of the day will for the most part be completely meaningless without an album as well. He needs to release at least one more kick ass album with Slash that the public at large praise. YES with Slash. Fanboys can argue all they want that Slash doesn't need to be involved but it needs to be with Slash. Denying this just makes you look stupid really. He needs to give the public something great that is lasting with GnR and anything else is just a bonus. An AC/DC abum would give him that cross over appeal to another fanbase and help but it's not as important as a new kick ass GnR album. Guns N' Roses is where his legacy is and as much as he's revered for his time in GnR hes also seen as the asshole who ruined it and turned GnR to shit. He really needs a new GnR album that kicks ass to somewhat erase that perception. Then tour behind it and build off this momentum and give people a reason to recognize him more for the music than the antics. As it stands now he's the only one responsible for the culture where his antics are acknowldged more than his actual music which is unfortunate. But hey that's what 20 years with one medicore album and a handful of highly publcized shitty performances and late starts and no shows and aborted tours will do for ya. basically Axl needs to give more reasons for people to say "that's fucking awesome" than he gives them to say "that fucking sucks". Somthing he's been absolutely horrible at the last 20 years. He's moving in the right direction but new material is the key One other thing that would really help the way he's percieved by the public is to do some late night talk show appearances. Do an interview with Kimmel. Play some game on Fallon, do some carpool karoeke on James Corden.......... Maybe he just doesn't wanna do that stuff but Axl has the personality that if he did the "haters" would say wow he actually seems like a really nice guy. Having people think you're a nice guy doesn't hurt that's for damn sure. Edited May 14, 2016 by Bono 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlvai Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Fuck the people. Who cares what people thinks about Axl. I love his music, his talented voice and live performance around all this years. Thats important. Fuck the people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateRadio Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Guns N' Roses music does not lend itself to a love affair with the general public. After all, the public basically applied the Jaws of Life to SCOM because Jungle and PC were just too sleazy. Nobody talks about the last 3 minutes. Later on, they gave November Rain a pass because Axl Liberace'd the music video, and who doesn't love a good episode of Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. There's not one goddam uplifting song in the entire catalog. So Axl could become famous again, but people are still going to WTF? the music. Oh, when I told my sister in law that I was in Vegas to see GNR, she asked me if Axl's face moved when he sang. So there's still that whole physical appearance thing that will never go away. Jussayin''' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 https://www.yahoo.com/music/news/red-hot-chili-peppers-cancel-performance-kiedis-hospitalized-064955139.html he could just keep saving rock bands! I hope Kiedis gets better in all seriousness 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateRadio Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 22 minutes ago, Wagszilla said: "Sweet Child O' Mine" and "Patience". Yes? Like I said, they're not uplifting. Think Good Vibrations, The Beach Boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philipm787 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 15 hours ago, axlvai said: Fuck the people. Who cares what people thinks about Axl. I love his music, his talented voice and live performance around all this years. Thats important. Fuck the people! Some call it 'blinded by love' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slosh13 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 I remember Alan Niven's quote, excuse the paraphrase: "If you don't know who you are, you will always be defined by your fame". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexC Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Why is it even important if some casuals hate him? He obviously has millions of fans, is held in the highest regard by critics as one of the greatest vocalists of all time, is partly responsible for one of the most successful albums ever recorded, is currently fronting two of the biggest bands on the planet, he's reconciled with Slash and, oh yeah, he's rich as fuck! No matter how many people stubbornly hate him, he'll go down in history as one of the greatest of all time. All this resurgence he's having this year is just icing on the cake. It's similar to how people percieve Floyd Mayweather, everyone hates him but his accomplishments have already solidified his legacy. It doesnt matter if more than 50% of comments on Facebook are negative, the fact that people hate him is relevant because he's seen and talked about enough to be hated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dude Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) 21 minutes ago, AlexC said: I thought he had already solidified his legacy, but he's cemented it in stone now. These Axl/DC gigs have been phenomenal so far- really this chapter is the stuff of legend. His whole career has been really. I really think he has all the credentials to be considered the greatest frontman of all time-artistic and commercial success, stage presence, creative vision, peer respect, intense hatred from the haters, the voice, the writing- he's just the whole package really. I can't think of another frontman who's even in his league and it would just be downright silly for anyone to even be mentioned in the same conversation as him at this point with the possible exception of Jagger. Personally I don't think Mick's in Axl's league as a singer, frontman, or lyricist, but I try to be objective about these things. I think its fair to say that Axl Rose is the most rock star rock star of all time. Edited May 15, 2016 by Mr. Dude For Accuracy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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