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4 hours ago, Lowrlder54 said:

I went to troubadour, both vegas shows and coachella. I felt burnout after vegas mostly from the fact that coachella cost so much damn money to stay at for 3 days & was a horrible venue to watch them. I got pit tixs to 3 dates this summer and still pretty pumped about everything. 

You are the officially the hybrids' most dedicated supporter I believe.

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9 hours ago, HeartbreakerWoman said:

It's not pessism on my part. For myself, it was a dream for years, seeing the dynamic duo together again. And unlike some, I wasn't opposed to it because Frank and Fortus are there. Izzy/Gilby and Steven/Matt would've been preferred but it didn't spoil it for me. Like I said, Coma, for the first time, was spine tingling. But the lack of press, the lack of anything that makes it seem like the band is into it, is what's killed it for me. You see Axl giving say, 70%, 80% to GN'R's long awaited reunion, and then going 110% and giving some of the best shows since perhaps even the 80s for AC/DC - that kills it for me. You see him doing interviews and acting like a band member with them and taking a group photo and being all enthusiastic, while GN'R is operating pretty much the same way "NuGNR" did, with complete silence about anything...That also kills it for me. I see Slash walking around the stage, yeah he head bangs once in a while but he doesn't seem like, INTO it. And while I like Richar a lot as a guitar player, he and Slash do have a very awkward chemistry. I don't care about Frank. But...It just feels like a lead balloon especially in comparison to AC/DC. I don't like AC/DC normally yet somehow, Axl/DC is more exciting to me than a semi-reunion of three of my favorite musicians of all time. I wasn't looking to be disappointed; this is what I was dreaming of for years. It could be handled a lot better. I don't understand what's stopping them from even doing a short, safe interview or posing for a professional portrait or acting like it's anything beyond a business deal.

Axl and Lebeis. Couldn't run a piss up in a brewery - film a porn movie in a brothel. 

The tragic irony here is it would be so easy for Guns to satisfy just about 85% of their fanbase: two or three media interviews, a decent new song in the live setlist (surely this is manageable from the 70+ songs Axl is said to possess, with Slash and Duff's contributions chucked on). That would about 85% of the fans happy, granted the Stradlin/Adler thing will always be an encumbrance. They could just about buy my enthusiasm with a soundtrack song and a sense that there is some artistry to this thing. I was impressed - in bursts - with the Fortus/Slash combo, so why not allow these two to write a song or two and introduce it into the setlist? Why not? I keep hearing about how ''Fortus is a versatile musician'', and ''superior to Gilby'', and my only reply to that can be, go on, prove me wrong: you are so versatile and brilliant and a member of Guns N' Roses Mr Fortus, then write a ''Guns N' Roses song'' with Slash.  You are supposed to be a bloody band!

 

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5 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Axl and Lebeis. Couldn't run a piss up in a brewery - film a porn movie in a brothel. 

The tragic irony here is it would be so easy for Guns to satisfy just about 85% of their fanbase: two or three media interviews, a decent new song in the live setlist (surely this is manageable from the 70+ songs Axl is said to possess, with Slash and Duff's contributions chucked on). That would about 85% of the fans happy, granted the Stradlin/Adler thing will always be an encumbrance. They could just about buy my enthusiasm with a soundtrack song and a sense that there is some artistry to this thing. I was impressed - in bursts - with the Fortus/Slash combo, so why not allow these two to write a song or two and introduce it into the setlist? Why not? I keep hearing about how ''Fortus is a versatile musician'', and ''superior to Gilby'', and my only reply to that can be, go on, prove me wrong: you are so versatile and brilliant and a member of Guns N' Roses Mr Fortus, then write a ''Guns N' Roses song'' with Slash.  You are supposed to be a bloody band!

 

Exactly. I mean, I'm not one of those who wants a hard hitting David Frost interview where they lay everything out on the table. At this point, I don't care why they came back together or how it happened - the fact that they got back together is enough. But I'd love, like you said, a short interview to tell us what they think they want to do now that they ARE back together - what's the plan going forward? "All I need is some clarity." 

And yeah, I'm not demanding a triple album of new material. Even just CD era material with Slash and Duff overdubbing/redoing it like they did with Better, at this point, would be okay. Not ideal, but, better than no productivity and utter silence.

 

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10 hours ago, Lowrlder54 said:

I went to troubadour, both vegas shows and coachella. I felt burnout after vegas mostly from the fact that coachella cost so much damn money to stay at for 3 days & was a horrible venue to watch them. I got pit tixs to 3 dates this summer and still pretty pumped about everything. 

Go on son, see i respect this fella, least he actually backs his favourite band.  He's not above criticism and that as illustrated by the above post but still, get behind em eh, respect sir.

15 minutes ago, HeartbreakerWoman said:

Exactly. I mean, I'm not one of those who wants a hard hitting David Frost interview where they lay everything out on the table. At this point, I don't care why they came back together or how it happened - the fact that they got back together is enough. But I'd love, like you said, a short interview to tell us what they think they want to do now that they ARE back together - what's the plan going forward? "All I need is some clarity." 

And yeah, I'm not demanding a triple album of new material. Even just CD era material with Slash and Duff overdubbing/redoing it like they did with Better, at this point, would be okay. Not ideal, but, better than no productivity and utter silence.

 

Miser, tommorow when you're having a moody you'll be waffling on about punk, then the day after you'll be Queens biggest fan, then Guns n Roses'll be shite, then you'll be pumped for em etc etc etc, your moods change like the wind, if bands were to govern what they did after your whims they'd be fuckin' manic depressives by now.

I dont get this idea that lack of press means you ain't into something.  Example, Steve McQueen was one of the greatest and mostly highly paid actors on the 70s (i think possibly the highest paid)...now find me some interviews he did.  You'll be hard pushed.  Bands don't need to do interviews to let you know somethings coming out, there's a whole framework in place for that when the time comes.  Other than that perhaps they don't care to tell you their plans going forward, perhaps there are none, point is why can't you just enjoy a band, why is it suddenly cause to start knocking em because you don't know EXACTLY what they're gonna do in the future...how many bands do we actually know that about anyway?

I'm a fan of PiL...but i don't know what they fuck they're doing in the on-coming 18 months...i know they got some gigs coming, thats about it, why this need for a structured plan of what they're gonna do, i don't get it.  If you like em then you like em, end of.

You like a band why, you like how they play, you like their back catalogue, you like what they stand for perhaps...why does that suddenly vanish because they haven't definitively told you of plans for a new album or whatever?  There's rumours out there saying iggy Pop will retire, he's not clarified whether he will or not, should i stop being his fan now cuz i don't know whether theres another album or tour coming?  It's childish.

You have this really specific idea of what you want....and whats it based on?  A whim basically right?  Just something that popped up in your head...'yeah, just have Slash and Duff do redubs on some old Chi Dem matierial, that'll do me!'...this million dollar concern Guns n Roses is just supposed to do interviews and release something they might not care to because what, you had an idea this morning? 

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17 minutes ago, blackrose87 said:

For me the sting has been taken out of it by AXL/DC. Im sure when Guns gets rolling again in June the excitement will return

I feel AC/DC has been flaccid for years now until Axl had a brilliant idea that could both serve his interest and also basically is helping them finish the tour and sound fuckin' epic. (except those horrid backing vocals. Who dat? sounds like the rhythm fella is good at rhythm guitar but no vocals for him)

The excitement is enough to warrant a blu ray purchase of this epic shit. Axl/DC is one of the best live collaborations in the last decade imo. (in the category of Hard Rock)

If Angus can write a good AC/DC album with the current line up, and it's with Axl, it can be an album the 2 fan bases will be excited about and buy even. The best decision Angus can make is let Axl know now he wants to do something in the near future. What better options does he have? the band sounds invigorated, it will be cool if they can capture that excitement in the studio. I'd buy that shit in a heartbeat.

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I feel sort of the opposite. The "novelty" hasn't worn off ... I think it hasn't set in for me. I resigned myself to never seeing Axl and Slash perform together in my life. I thought it would never happen, and I guess I became OK with it. So when the fantasy became a reality and I was in the crowd at Coachella weekend 1 watching Axl, Slash and Duff (Duff, who I've never seen perform live) ... it's all still so surreal. It was a whirlwind. Like, did I really just fly across the country to see Slash, Axl, and Duff? It was the culmination of so many things.

I met up with a buddy out in Indio who I grew up with. We used to listen to the Illusions records when we were kids, back in the early '90s. So to see "November Rain" played with those guys on stage with my friend in the crowd, man, it was a moment I'll never forget.

I think you guys who say the novelty wore off, when they release a single or when/if they do interviews, the enthusiasm for you will skyrocket again. I like the mystery around it all. Don't feel let down because of the lull in activity while Axl/DC does their thing.

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On 18 May 2016 at 9:46 AM, Silverburst80 said:

To be fair Keith Richards was still consuming his own body weight in coke at that time, poor old Slash can't even indulge in a paltry line.

Surely thats another point for the Stones, cocaine might liven you up but its not known for its life preserving qualities yknow.

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Has the excitement worn off for me? No: not at all. I am stoked to see them in July. 

As for people who feel disappointed, I think it has to do with the fact that this was not a "huge reunion" as people expected. At the end of the day, it's the 2014 lineup minus a guitarist and Slash and ?Duff taking over for people who did not want to be in the band anymore. Outside of "Coma," (which is awesome) there's not a whole lot distinguishing these shows from 2012-2014 shows.

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6 hours ago, Len B'stard said:

Go on son, see i respect this fella, least he actually backs his favourite band.  He's not above criticism and that as illustrated by the above post but still, get behind em eh, respect sir.

Miser, tommorow when you're having a moody you'll be waffling on about punk, then the day after you'll be Queens biggest fan, then Guns n Roses'll be shite, then you'll be pumped for em etc etc etc, your moods change like the wind, if bands were to govern what they did after your whims they'd be fuckin' manic depressives by now.

I dont get this idea that lack of press means you ain't into something.  Example, Steve McQueen was one of the greatest and mostly highly paid actors on the 70s (i think possibly the highest paid)...now find me some interviews he did.  You'll be hard pushed.  Bands don't need to do interviews to let you know somethings coming out, there's a whole framework in place for that when the time comes.  Other than that perhaps they don't care to tell you their plans going forward, perhaps there are none, point is why can't you just enjoy a band, why is it suddenly cause to start knocking em because you don't know EXACTLY what they're gonna do in the future...how many bands do we actually know that about anyway?

I'm a fan of PiL...but i don't know what they fuck they're doing in the on-coming 18 months...i know they got some gigs coming, thats about it, why this need for a structured plan of what they're gonna do, i don't get it.  If you like em then you like em, end of.

You like a band why, you like how they play, you like their back catalogue, you like what they stand for perhaps...why does that suddenly vanish because they haven't definitively told you of plans for a new album or whatever?  There's rumours out there saying iggy Pop will retire, he's not clarified whether he will or not, should i stop being his fan now cuz i don't know whether theres another album or tour coming?  It's childish.

You have this really specific idea of what you want....and whats it based on?  A whim basically right?  Just something that popped up in your head...'yeah, just have Slash and Duff do redubs on some old Chi Dem matierial, that'll do me!'...this million dollar concern Guns n Roses is just supposed to do interviews and release something they might not care to because what, you had an idea this morning? 

It ain't that I'm not into it. I'm here, aren't I? I guess I'm just let down that the reality didn't match the dream.
You're talking about Steve McQueen but, he was one person...The entire industry, musically, I mean it's a give and a take, interaction between audience and artist...I'm not demanding an interview out of them but it'd be cool. I'm not knocking them, it's not like I'm saying "This sucks." It doesn't. It's just...I've watched the shows and something doesn't seem right to me. I love watching concerts and...something just seems off. The addition of the utter lack of communication or press of any kind only compounds it. If the chemistry was there, I'd probably not care about any press. I'm not one of those who holds any illusions about or any problems with this being a cashgrab, it is, I don't care. I guess I'd just like to know what's up, or at least...Idk, see them acting like a band, even on stage.

When I said the novelty has worn off, I didn't say the novelty of GN'R in sum and total has worn off. I still love their back catalogue and the old songs and what have you...I meant the novelty of the reunion itself has worn off. The novelty of Axl + Slash being back together. I'm still a GN'R fan, but as I've gotten older and a little wiser I've partially moved onto other stuff, I'm only here for the community.

I didn't say the band has to follow my way man. I'm simply saying what I subjectively would like to see happen. It doesn't mean it's the right or only way, it's just, I'd prefer something to nothing personally, that's all. I'm not attacking the band I'm just expressing points where I have concerns.

And as far as supporting them, if I had the money to afford concerts, I'd definitely go. But I don't, right now a concert is a luxury for me. Not something I can really afford. Also, I prefer (just personal preference) more intimate settings, clubs, arenas, whatever. Paying say $200 bucks to barely even see the guys for me kinda defeats the point of a live show - not just for Guns but for any band. If I have to like use binoculars to see what's happening on stage what's the point?

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Maybe because Axl and Slash and Duff playing together isn't a novelty. It's the real deal. I think if anything, I can see how Axl being stuck in chair can give off a certain feeling. But what is Slash supposed to do, straddle him while he does his solos? Duff supposed to sit in his lap? They're fine. Axl should be like a dog off a chain when the tour starts. I'm ready to see them.

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An interview would be nice but if that's what turns you off to all this, you're nuts. We don't need the interviews. And you guys whining about new songs ... they're coming! There were already rumors Duff and Slash were in studio for GNR.

Axl doing band photos with AC/DC ... it's not his band. He doesn't make the decisions. When he agreed to take the dates, he graciously agred to do the promo for it. For Guns, it's been slow leaks through their social media with videos teasers and performance photos. GNR doesn't operate like AC/DC.


And yes, Axl has been KILLING it with AC/DC. Better than his GNR performances? No. He was just as good when I saw them at Coachella and was VICIOUS with the stuff that required his trademark rasp ("Live and Let Die" and the "Coma" screams). Fact is, AC/DC is difficult to sing but easy in that it's paced far slower allowing more time to breathe. And there isn't much variation in what is required of the singer. Even in one song, Axl has to sometimes go to a high clean to rasp to fast-talking lyrics (like the end of "Civil War").

 

But these comments are a perfect example of why Axl was right to not reunite the old group "for the fans." You guys got a few shows and are over it? Or still unhappy.

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3 minutes ago, GnR Chris said:

  And yes, Axl has been KILLING it with AC/DC. Better than his GNR performances? No. He was just as good when I saw them at Coachella and was VICIOUS with the stuff that required his trademark rasp ("Live and Let Die" and the "Coma" screams). Fact is, AC/DC is difficult to sing but easy in that it's paced far slower allowing more time to breathe. And there isn't much variation in what is required of the singer. Even in one song, Axl has to sometimes go to a high clean to rasp to fast-talking lyrics (like the end of "Civil War").

 

 

Axl said that Hells Bells was the most challenging song he ever had to sing. His words.

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On 5/18/2016 at 1:07 AM, Rovim said:

I don't believe that at all. I wouldn't jump to conclusions. There was no statement of intention from the band, an interview with all of them in the same room even. It's too early to talk about separate ways and there is only one way to make it truly count.

It doesn't have to sell anything. These are musicians, and they haven't played together for 20 years. They make enough money from touring. I'll give them some time to play together, it's a good thing anyway and Slash writes on the road.

There's a chance they'll try, why not? if only to justify more touring but I don't think that will be the reason if an album is the plan.

I will be pleasantly surprised if they choose to do new music and not just go their separate ways after the tour.

The good thing about them re-establishing a working relationship though, is we may get remasters of the classic albums, or at worst, at least a concert dvd from this tour.

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1 hour ago, bigpoop said:

Axl said that Hells Bells was the most challenging song he ever had to sing. His words.

I am not saying AC/DC is easy in general. I am trying to say GNR songs require more variation even within one song. And a lot of it is more up-tempo.

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17 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Axl and Lebeis. Couldn't run a piss up in a brewery - film a porn movie in a brothel. 

The tragic irony here is it would be so easy for Guns to satisfy just about 85% of their fanbase: two or three media interviews, a decent new song in the live setlist (surely this is manageable from the 70+ songs Axl is said to possess, with Slash and Duff's contributions chucked on). That would about 85% of the fans happy, granted the Stradlin/Adler thing will always be an encumbrance. They could just about buy my enthusiasm with a soundtrack song and a sense that there is some artistry to this thing. I was impressed - in bursts - with the Fortus/Slash combo, so why not allow these two to write a song or two and introduce it into the setlist? Why not? I keep hearing about how ''Fortus is a versatile musician'', and ''superior to Gilby'', and my only reply to that can be, go on, prove me wrong: you are so versatile and brilliant and a member of Guns N' Roses Mr Fortus, then write a ''Guns N' Roses song'' with Slash.  You are supposed to be a bloody band!

 

not to be an asshole, but if 85 % of the fan base aren't happy already with Slash back in GNR, then i dont know what else will suit their greedy needs.

ask any fan what was their biggest wish 5 years ago, and they would say Slash and Axl reuniting. few others would even be content with them being friends again, without even performing one song.

no one, and i mean this in the clearest way possible, would have rejected those conditions.

but eventually we got our reunion, and it turns out 85 % of the fanbase still isn't satisfied. 

"with friends like these, who needs enemies?"

 

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1 minute ago, action said:

not to be an asshole, but if 85 % of the fan base aren't happy already with Slash back in GNR, then i dont know what else will suit their greedy needs.

ask any fan what was their biggest wish 5 years ago, and they would say Slash and Axl reuniting. few others would even be content with them being friends again, without even performing one song.

no one, and i mean this in the clearest way possible, would have rejected those conditions.

but eventually we got our reunion, and it turns out 85 % of the fanbase still isn't satisfied. 

"with friends like these, who needs enemies?"

 

Desiring new material from a band that has only put out one album - I repeat, one album - in twenty-five years is considered 'greedy' now, is it?

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3 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Desiring new material from a band that has only put out one album - I repeat, one album - in twenty-five years is considered 'greedy' now, is it?

life is hard and sometimes the world throws us a bone, like seeing Axl and Slash together again.

but most of the time, we can only dream and the future is always uncertain.

we should therefore be satisfied with what we do have, rather than feel dissapointed with what we dont have.

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Just now, action said:

life is hard and sometimes the world throws us a bone, like seeing Axl and Slash together again.

but most of the time, we can only dream and the future is always uncertain.

we should therefore be satisfied with what we do have, rather than feel dissapointed with what we dont have.

I'm a bigger fan of Stradlin than either Axl or Slash so I do not quite share your enthusiasm, and am generally not a fan of reunion tours unless there is an album.

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48 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Desiring new material from a band that has only put out one album - I repeat, one album - in twenty-five years is considered 'greedy' now, is it?

Dude you should check out The spaghetti Incident in 93, Live Era in 99 and CD in 08. They are great. Either that or your math is off. You aren't being cynical again are you?

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9 minutes ago, Sprite said:

Dude you should check out The spaghetti Incident in 93, Live Era in 99 and CD in 08. They are great. Either that or your math is off. You aren't being cynical again are you?

Allow me to rephrase: ''one album of original material''.

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On 5/18/2016 at 4:26 AM, HeartbreakerWoman said:

The Troubadour show, and the first two Vegas shows were as amazing and exciting as any time for me as a GN'R fan...But after that, the novelty has kind of worn off for me. Yes, Axl, Slash and Duff are back together, but it seems very "by the numbers", there doesn't seem to be a high level of chemistry or enthusiasm with this lineup, compared to say, the 1993 end of the UYI high energy shows....Don't get me wrong, I love having Slash back, and I would buy ten copies of a new album this lineup made as it would be a dream come true. But compare Axl's level of enthusiasm and even the voice factor with his performances with AC/DC to Guns...Compare the overall energy and chemistry between the two groups at present. I just wonder if this is just awkwardness due to 20 years of separation and animosity, or if their hearts are truly in it? I mean, seeing Coma live for the first time in 23 years was one of the most incredible, spine tingling musical events of my whole life...But, outside of that, it just feels like the novelty of this thing has vanished, both in myself and in what I see in the band...

If they released even just one single new song, I'd be over the moon. But....it just feels by the book.

Anyone else feeling the same?

I feel the same. 

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23 hours ago, HeartbreakerWoman said:

It ain't that I'm not into it. I'm here, aren't I? I guess I'm just let down that the reality didn't match the dream.
You're talking about Steve McQueen but, he was one person...The entire industry, musically, I mean it's a give and a take, interaction between audience and artist...I'm not demanding an interview out of them but it'd be cool. I'm not knocking them, it's not like I'm saying "This sucks." It doesn't. It's just...I've watched the shows and something doesn't seem right to me. I love watching concerts and...something just seems off. The addition of the utter lack of communication or press of any kind only compounds it. If the chemistry was there, I'd probably not care about any press. I'm not one of those who holds any illusions about or any problems with this being a cashgrab, it is, I don't care. I guess I'd just like to know what's up, or at least...Idk, see them acting like a band, even on stage.

When I said the novelty has worn off, I didn't say the novelty of GN'R in sum and total has worn off. I still love their back catalogue and the old songs and what have you...I meant the novelty of the reunion itself has worn off. The novelty of Axl + Slash being back together. I'm still a GN'R fan, but as I've gotten older and a little wiser I've partially moved onto other stuff, I'm only here for the community.

I didn't say the band has to follow my way man. I'm simply saying what I subjectively would like to see happen. It doesn't mean it's the right or only way, it's just, I'd prefer something to nothing personally, that's all. I'm not attacking the band I'm just expressing points where I have concerns.

And as far as supporting them, if I had the money to afford concerts, I'd definitely go. But I don't, right now a concert is a luxury for me. Not something I can really afford. Also, I prefer (just personal preference) more intimate settings, clubs, arenas, whatever. Paying say $200 bucks to barely even see the guys for me kinda defeats the point of a live show - not just for Guns but for any band. If I have to like use binoculars to see what's happening on stage what's the point?

Miser. $200 bucks will get you a pretty good seat this tour. You can get it  the door for under $100, i say you go just for the hell of it.

16 hours ago, Sprite said:

Dude you should check out The spaghetti Incident in 93, Live Era in 99 and CD in 08. They are great. Either that or your math is off. You aren't being cynical again are you?

I fully support Guns and tend to disagree with Diesel, but come on... you damn well know what he means 

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