Could vinyl save Rock music?

[wasted]

People say illegal download has killed music sales.

So what if bands only released vinyl? Then it can't be made into files so easy, or is that not the case?

anyway you get the record and the big artwork etc. and it's a product consumers will want. I'm talking mainly rock bands doing this. Pop stuff can do whatever. 

I guess it has huges holes in it as a plan, or does it?

Vinyl would then generate money again and hence relight the fire. 

[username]

Most new record players have a built-in USB system to digitalize the record. 

Nothing can save music sales as the whole current generation has a mindset where music should be freely available. It's pretty irreversible unless you manage to prosecute downloaders on a global scale. 

And that's just music. Nothing can save rock. 

[wasted]

I got the idea from Prince dying and after a while I caved and wanted to dl some stuff. I have 4-5 of his albums. 

Anyway when I looked there wasn't any. So I wondered what if that was always the case. I mean I have a security key for my bank. Why can't they issue apps that generate passwords. Unless you have it you can't do shit. A tracking device that locks your shit if you do anything illegal. 

Anyway making vinyl would work in a soft way in that if you like rock you have to have the vinyl. Peer pressure. 

But it does look like the one-off payment for access for everything has happened as predicted. 

But couldn't bands offer apps of their whole catalog for a certain amount. You could get videosand music. They just haven't done much themselves. They just wait to get used. 

Still if bands only released vinyl it would slow dls down. 

I went to the store to buy some Prince albums. The sign on the door says "Away on holiday"

This country is going to hell in a hand basket. 

 

[Len Cnut]

3 hours ago, username said:

Most new record players have a built-in USB system to digitalize the record.

Well, thats shagged that brainwave eh Wasted?   Fancy another drink?

[dalsh327]

Vinyl is still a small part of the market, but at 25 dollars a copy and 10 million copies, it's still a lot of money made. For an up and coming band trying to prove themselves, there would be no point in it unless they were doing something fan club related. 

Even back before Napster existed, you could buy CD-Rs of a new album for cheap from a street vendor, or just convert them to MP3 and store them on hard drives.  

The only things keeping rock alive are people's ongoing interest in classic rock, and festivals which mixes the old with the new. 

[Len Cnut]

Basically if you wanna be in a band now you gotta live the life, perpetually, you've got to be for real, a for real travelling playing creating entity, basically now you're finding, now that it's a life and not a career choice that, really, not that many people are that into it.  The way to do it now it's locally, get a band together, make some noise, have house partys, hand your music out in em, make some local fuckin' racket, get in the papers that way and then maybe you'll get some good notice if the musics good, you've got to be creative with it and you've got to eat sleep breathe and drink music, like people like Iggy Pop did or the early punk bands cuz there ain't no fuckin' money in it, you gotta do it because you love it and if there's a big enough batch of people of that thinking then one or two out of em will become big and will become comercially successful and will liven up the rock scene but see this ain't the 50s/60s/70s where people are still accustomed to a kind of rough living, i mean they exist but they're in rural areas, provincial council estate type areas, a rock scene now is gonna have to come up the way the UK Grime scene came up, just pure underground and eventually the mainstream will take notice like they did with Grime, i mean who would've thought Skepta, Stormzy and them, these dirty little fuckers from South London council estates would end up on Hot 97?  It can be done, you just gotta love it.  I mean if you look at the way The Libertines got known it was in a similar kind of fashion, you've just gotta want it.

[wasted]

5 hours ago, Len B'stard said:

Well, thats shagged that brainwave eh Wasted?   Fancy another drink?

I've heard from vinyl stuff, not really listenable. I'd be tempted to buy vinyl if that was the choice. 

The whole point would be that there is no other way to hear it easily. Hence mobilizing the consumers. I mean were not talking 30 millioncopies but at least somekind of product you can't steal. Nobody wants to pay for mp3 or cd, so they dl it illegally. But maybe vinyl has that allure. 

[wasted]

2 hours ago, Len B'stard said:

Basically if you wanna be in a band now you gotta live the life, perpetually, you've got to be for real, a for real travelling playing creating entity, basically now you're finding, now that it's a life and not a career choice that, really, not that many people are that into it.  The way to do it now it's locally, get a band together, make some noise, have house partys, hand your music out in em, make some local fuckin' racket, get in the papers that way and then maybe you'll get some good notice if the musics good, you've got to be creative with it and you've got to eat sleep breathe and drink music, like people like Iggy Pop did or the early punk bands cuz there ain't no fuckin' money in it, you gotta do it because you love it and if there's a big enough batch of people of that thinking then one or two out of em will become big and will become comercially successful and will liven up the rock scene but see this ain't the 50s/60s/70s where people are still accustomed to a kind of rough living, i mean they exist but they're in rural areas, provincial council estate type areas, a rock scene now is gonna have to come up the way the UK Grime scene came up, just pure underground and eventually the mainstream will take notice like they did with Grime, i mean who would've thought Skepta, Stormzy and them, these dirty little fuckers from South London council estates would end up on Hot 97?  It can be done, you just gotta love it.  I mean if you look at the way The Libertines got known it was in a similar kind of fashion, you've just gotta want it.

But there's no market for new music. Just put The Clash on shuffle. No label will pay to promote market a new band when they can just remarket old stuff. 

[Sprite]

I think a lot of our old ways are dying and it's never been more apparent. The music industry, politics, capitalism. So the idea is will nostalgia save us?

Donald Trump wants America great again.

Guns N Roses stadium tour to save rock n roll.

You start at the ground up and become a millionaire just like when America was great!

It's all a blast from the past nowadays because nostalgia will save us from the uncertain future.

What we need is to shadow the porn industry and see how they adapted to the new market. The internet could have wiped out all those companies but most have never been more profitable. The internet changed everything.

Records are cool and maybe it could work for the GNR's of the world short term. But I think something new is coming that no one can think of but it will be much more simplistic an idea.

If I told you in 1996 you could watch people having sex from a tiny rectangle you carry around in your pocket I'd be laughed at. But it happens. 

Technology will have to do what nostalgia attempts to do and that is carry the torch towards the uncertain future. 

[classicrawker]

5 hours ago, wasted said:

I've heard from vinyl stuff, not really listenable. I'd be tempted to buy vinyl if that was the choice. 

The whole point would be that there is no other way to hear it easily. Hence mobilizing the consumers. I mean were not talking 30 millioncopies but at least somekind of product you can't steal. Nobody wants to pay for mp3 or cd, so they dl it illegally. But maybe vinyl has that allure. 

As other have said Vinyl is nostalgia and is a niche market IMHO.  While I love vinyl it has too many drawbacks to ever make an effective comeback. It is cumbersome and not very portable and requires too much hardware to really gain traction again......Not many people have the time or patience these days to take the time to sit and listen to vinyl records for very long. Not when you can put 100's of albums on your phone and take and listen to them virtually anywhere............

[wasted]

It might not be a quick fix but maybe a grass roots thing that builds up where vinyl is niche now but it has deep roots in rock. So I think a revival in sales and rock could be through it. 

[wasted]

7 hours ago, Sprite said:

I think a lot of our old ways are dying and it's never been more apparent. The music industry, politics, capitalism. So the idea is will nostalgia save us?

Donald Trump wants America great again.

Guns N Roses stadium tour to save rock n roll.

You start at the ground up and become a millionaire just like when America was great!

It's all a blast from the past nowadays because nostalgia will save us from the uncertain future.

What we need is to shadow the porn industry and see how they adapted to the new market. The internet could have wiped out all those companies but most have never been more profitable. The internet changed everything.

Records are cool and maybe it could work for the GNR's of the world short term. But I think something new is coming that no one can think of but it will be much more simplistic an idea.

If I told you in 1996 you could watch people having sex from a tiny rectangle you carry around in your pocket I'd be laughed at. But it happens. 

Technology will have to do what nostalgia attempts to do and that is carry the torch towards the uncertain future. 

It is all about comfort in the age of terror. But after World War 3 maybe someone will find a box of Who records in the Hard Rock section at the last HMV and start a revolution. 

I think by save I mean start again and at least if rock bands promote vinyl they will make money. Maybe smaller bands selling 7 inches on the internet. Kids might do this as a badge cool or authenticity. Facebook and mp3s are for old lazy styleless losers. That kind of thing. 

[KBear]

On 2016-05-19 at 1:55 AM, username said:

Most new record players have a built-in USB system to digitalize the record. 

Nothing can save music sales as the whole current generation has a mindset where music should be freely available. It's pretty irreversible unless you manage to prosecute downloaders on a global scale. 

And that's just music. Nothing can save rock. 

A lot of the cheaper tables probably have such a system...pricier tables do not, but there are ways to capture the audio if you use a computer.  I can easily run cables out of my phono preamp and into my PC's soundcard, capturing what is played back on my turntable.

I play vinyl regularly and enjoy the ritual and the sound, but I simply cannot justify the cost of new vinyl in most cases.  $25-45 per album in many cases.  I may buy an album on vinyl if the sound quality is there and the sound quality of the same album on CD is poor but most of the time now I find myself simply buying the CD instead, which is a fraction of the cost on Amazon or on the used market.  I'll probably always listen to music using traditional hardware (turntable or CD player) but now that I actually signed up for a Napster account, I'll be streaming more and being a little more selective with the albums that I do purchase.  Too many albums purchased for $10, $20, $30+ that I never ended up liking.

[wasted]

I don't think it would make a come back through consumers now. But if a band of kids comes up and only releases their music on vinyl and affordable, like flexi discs or 7". And cut out the middle men. They live the life but run the business side of things like a small business, so they make money through vinyl sales and touring. Because the rec companies barely ever payed artists much, what 10% to split 5 ways? 

 

But if rock fans only buy vinyl that could help turn things around for artists.

But kids are going to rebel against facebook and itunes soon. It's homogenized culture. But we are all just sedated robots at this point. 

[PsychoKiss344]

I think it could help for sure, recently a lot of bands are starting to release new albums on vinyl and even re-release their entire discography.

The younger generation like me are buying more vinyl then in the past 20 years, vinyl is starting to take over music/record stores again.

[wasted]

It might not happen over night but rock needs to rebuild. It's lost it's dignity, being turned to this disposable product by the mp3 format. Nobody even listens to albums as albums, that's a step back. 

If bands arent making money, then why not self release vinyl amd make some money and it is the only way to listen to rock. 

[classicrawker]

3 hours ago, wasted said:

It might not happen over night but rock needs to rebuild. It's lost it's dignity, being turned to this disposable product by the mp3 format. Nobody even listens to albums as albums, that's a step back. 

If bands arent making money, then why not self release vinyl amd make some money and it is the only way to listen to rock. 

Probably because the only way to make money now is to basically give the music away and then tour your ass off......Youtube has replaced MTV and Spotify, Pandora and other streaming services are the vehicles for new bands to get there music played ..........A new band only putting out their music on vinyl is a one way ticket to obscurity IMHO. Bands, especially new bands, need digital media to get their music out there and heard. Not to mention the cost of new vinyl is more than twice the cost of a CD these days and people are cherry picking buying individual songs from ITunes type services instead of complete albums........

I think it is  noble idea Wasted but I don't see today's millennials giving up digital music for vinyl which requires a lot of hardware and is not very transportable.......... How many young people are going to sit still and listen to hours of vinyls these days?  I love vinyl but don't see it ever reaching the height of it's hey day in the 60's and 70's..........

Speaking of vinyl I highly recommend catching the new documentary on Tower Records "All Things Must Pass"...it is a real nostalgia trip for people like myself who lived the vinyl era

 

Edited May 23, 2016 by classicrawker

[wasted]

I hear what you are saying especially right now. 

But I am the rebel alliance. I don't know, I think if the seed is planted and grows once the next wave of kids come. Vinyl could be rebellion. Your parents are on facebook having affairs and you have this vinyl player under your bed. I'm not even talk those hefty stereos, use tech to make it more user friendly. 

At the moment keeping vinyl alive. I know records and stereos are like the Black panthers right now. 

I can't talk much as my vinyl is in an attic collecting dust but I think it's time to stand up for truth. 

But maybe time just moves on. 

Edited May 24, 2016 by wasted
More typos than stephen hawking

[The Real McCoy]

I have no use, want, or need for vinyl.

I'd be all in for the CD becoming relevant again, though. I have over 1,000 discs in my personal collection, and it's growing pretty much every day. I also love the fact that I can get most discs for $5 or less used at this point.

[Silent Jay]

Vinyl and CDs are too old, files suck but people still like to see the artworks and songs at the same time unless you're driving. Ain't buying a cd or dvd for fifteenbucks now, maybe bluray that's all. We need a new high quality format, maybe a new interactive rock streaming platform that pay right and look awesome and fight against spotify and itunes. The easiest way the better. Big selling rock bands need to regroup and put money in to keep rock music alive. Help us Gene Simmons.

[wasted]

Well I think everything will probably be free one day after a one off payment to someone like itunes. But there will be less and less new music. It will be like a big warehouse full of old cds and dvds. 

When something is free though someone is paying, like advertizers. So it would be like huge cd tomb with advertizing banners everywhere because they pay because of clicks. 

The GNR release is a little outside that because it is basically going to be the last important reunion in rock history. So why not strike a blow for real rock. And it's a scam to go No. 1. Those million copies of vinyl in the US will sell like all hell as collectors itens if not just rabid fans. Of course a few weeks later the poxy files will be released and cds. 

I just think the pool of how will be let into the music tomb will strink. Of course out on the interent it's free for all. But who the big streaming companies let in and give money to will be miniscule. You have to be Prince 2 to get in.