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47 minutes ago, Lumikki said:

To sum up, I think these songs on the first Snakepit album are about Axl:

What Do You Want To Be?
Take It Away
Back And Forth Again


Then there's these two:

Good To Be Alive
Beggars & Hangers On

These often are claimed to be about Axl, but the only thing in Beggars & Hangers On that I could see being about Axl is the chorus, the rest of the song doesn't fit. Good To Be Alive... I know there are a couple of lines in there that seem to be about Axl pretty obviously, but other parts of it also seem pretty strange if the song is supposed to be about Axl :question:

I agree that the first three are most likely about Axl.

About Good To Be Alive, I never listened to that one much, but I can see it being about Axl. What's strange about it?

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jane M. said:

I unfollowed Slash. Can't deal with it. :vomit:

I find Slash tamer in comparison - there's this seedy underbelly to his brothers IG that I can't stomach...it's a fetish thing I don't understand

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On 3/10/2016 at 3:48 PM, giuls said:

i AWWWWED really, really hard, how cute :hug:

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On 3/10/2016 at 5:10 PM, giuls said:

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 There are this one too in Slash's likes, i nicked it from the social media thread, i didnt scroll until september.

This looks like the work of either Scarlett or Lucy Bleu playing with Slash' phone :lol:

I know one of them is secretly in love with Axl.

 

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3 hours ago, Lumikki said:

To sum up, I think these songs on the first Snakepit album are about Axl:

What Do You Want To Be?
Take It Away
Back And Forth Again


Then there's these two:

Good To Be Alive
Beggars & Hangers On

These often are claimed to be about Axl, but the only thing in Beggars & Hangers On that I could see being about Axl is the chorus, the rest of the song doesn't fit. Good To Be Alive... I know there are a couple of lines in there that seem to be about Axl pretty obviously, but other parts of it also seem pretty strange if the song is supposed to be about Axl :question:

- What Do You Want To Be? and Take It Away: I agree that these two are about Axl.

- Good To Be Alive: to me this is most likely about Axl as well. Which parts do you find strange?

- Beggars & Hangers On: I agree; it doesn't seem to be about Axl.

- Back And Forth Again: Although your analysis is very plausible (and I agree with you, @Asia, @giuls and @Frey that the lyrics are not "romantic" or anything like that), I have some doubts about this one. Its mood is different than the other two songs (or three, if we count Good To Be Alive in); these are angry, nasty even, while Back And Forth is more empathetic and affectionate. And it doesn't reflect so much the situation in the band, as Slash has described it (with Tobias and all that), at the time when he supposedly wrote all these songs (i.e. during 1994). It fits more to the period during of after the Snakepit tour and a little before Slash quit. Of course he could have written this earlier than the other songs, when he wasn't so angry.

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Wait. I may have missed the boat and trying to understand here...

I've seen many references on this thread on "Slash's stepdaughters"... urmm are Slash and Meegan already married? Because I thought they are still dating. So I may have missed the big news bummer....when??

Or....they haven't tied the knot yet but it's the norm to refer the kids of their other half's as step? Honest ques here...

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5 hours ago, Blackstar said:

- What Do You Want To Be? and Take It Away: I agree that these two are about Axl.

- Good To Be Alive: to me this is most likely about Axl as well. Which parts do you find strange?

- Beggars & Hangers On: I agree; it doesn't seem to be about Axl.

- Back And Forth Again: Although your analysis is very plausible (and I agree with you, @Asia, @giuls and @Frey that the lyrics are not "romantic" or anything like that), I have some doubts about this one. Its mood is different than the other two songs (or three, if we count Good To Be Alive in); these are angry, nasty even, while Back And Forth is more empathetic and affectionate. And it doesn't reflect so much the situation in the band, as Slash has described it (with Tobias and all that), at the time when he supposedly wrote all these songs (i.e. during 1994). It fits more to the period during of after the Snakepit tour and a little before Slash quit. Of course he could have written this earlier than the other songs, when he wasn't so angry.

I have a little bit of information about this. There are some quotes on Chinese Whispers, where Slash explains who wrote the lyrics for what song.

"I think it's pretty easy to tell which songs he wrote and which ones I wrote: all of my songs are directed at one person... though no-one picked up on it at the time. I used the record as an opportunity to vent a lot of shit that I needed to get off my chest." (Slash, Autobiography)

"I had two songs with lyrics I'd finished myself, 'Be the Ball', and 'Take It Away'... 'What Do You Want to Be' is me and Eric... 'I Hate Everybody But You' is the closest I ever got to a love song, I wrote most of the lyrics for that... 'Back and Forth Again' was my title but Eric had the lyrics. It's about people not being able to come to some cohesive understanding and breaking up." (Slash, Metal Edge Magazine, 04/95)

"One of the first songs Eric did was a song called 'Beggars and Hangers-On', where he wrote the whole song in one night. I was really impressed with that... It's about everybody we know! Half the girls I've met in my career to this point... So we went to Rumbo in the Valley and wrote the lyrics and melodies for 13 songs in one day." (Slash, Metal Edge Magazine, 04/95)

Personally I don't think 'I Hate Everybody But You' is about Axl, but I'm open for crazy over the top, yet insightful song interpretations by the Slaxl Club Members and their Chairman! :lol:@Frey

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3 hours ago, rweb said:

Hi Girls, 

Excuse if someone already posted. But... This man is Stephen, Axl's "father"? :shrugs:

"Stephen L. Bailey" in Indiana??? :question:

http://randolphcounty.us/stephen-l-bailey

http://law.justia.com/cases/indiana/court-of-appeals/2000/06200003-lmb.html 

http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/archive/06200003.lmb.html 

No.  :facepalm:   First, the name is wrong.  Axl's stepfather is L. Stephen Bailey.  Second, he was about 67 years old in 2014, and the guy in the photo looks much younger.

https://billiongraves.com/grave/L-Stephen-Bailey/3847448#/

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I've been lurking here for a bit trying to work up the courage to say hi :o So erm... hi!!

I love this thread! So informative and entertaining. I've been coming here first, then the main thread if I have time. The chat about Axl's hair was brilliant, as is the Slaxl discussion, so funny :heart: 

I've been a GNR fan since age 13 back when AFD first came out... but I have nowhere near as much knowledge as the long-time members here ... Hope to be able to contribute in some form anyway. xx

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Thank you @lilacmess for the quotes!

I don't know about @Lumikki but the line that strike me as, i don't know, cruel? in Good to be alive is "And the ugly truth has raped you/They're saying you're a lousy lay"  knowing Axl's background but you know, this is an angry song. It doesn't make me doubt it's about Axl, thought, it's about Axl.

 

Welcome to the thread @money honey!

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@money honey Hi and welcome :D

 

7 hours ago, -W.A.R- said:

lol @ Beggars being about Axl. 

its pretty hilarious to think about Slash falling to pieces and not being able to get out of bed because Axl is promised to a wealthy man.

its almost like thinking This I Love is about Slash 

Yeah, that's why I always have to laugh when people suggest Beggars is about Axl :lol: It's like they've never heard anything but the chorus of that song lol.

 

11 hours ago, Blackstar said:

- Good To Be Alive: to me this is most likely about Axl as well. Which parts do you find strange?

 

13 hours ago, Frey said:

I agree that the first three are most likely about Axl.

About Good To Be Alive, I never listened to that one much, but I can see it being about Axl. What's strange about it?

You told me you're an orphan
The same old standard line
Then when we moved in together
All you did was moan and cry
Talkin' like you'd make it
On life's big movie screen
I had to say I loved you
Just to try and keep the peace

This entire bit here for example. Assuming we're supposed to take these lines literally, I think they fit better with some random woman than with Axl.

- Axl told Slash he was an orphan? Doubtful. Back when they first met and were really close, Axl was still in his "Daddy is my best friend" phase (or getting there). Though it's possible he said something like that later to him during the 90s I guess...

- But then again the 90s wouldn't fit with the time line proposed in the song: "Then when we moved in together". Also, what would Slash be talking about here by him and Axl moving in together? Axl living with Slash's family for a while? Them all living in the storage space? "Then when we moved in together" sounds more like something two people (a couple) would do; moving in together into a new place. I know Axl supposedly had aspirations to do just that with Slash, but since that never worked out...

- All you did was moan and cry. That does sound like Axl, granted. And how Slash would probably describe Axl rambling about his feelings if he was in a less charitable mood.

- "Talkin' like you'd make it on life's big movie screen" Seems weird that he would criticize Axl for that when they all had the same dream (and when they did indeed make it). Sounds more like these countless girls who come to L.A. with hopes of being an actress or a model or something, but then they never make it and end up as strippers or porn stars (just like all the girls they used to hang out with; Adriana Smith, etc.)

- "I had to say I loved you just to try and keep the peace". Also sounds more like something a nagging girlfriend would demand. I can't really see Slash feeling pressured (or Axl demanding from Slash) to tell him that he loves him. Whether in private or while talking to the media.

I couldn't make excuses about
Everything you said
You want to show your bruises
Let's throw a party for the band
Now here they come a dancin'
Like the powder to your nose
Why don't you cut your head off
Spite your face let's do the show

This does sound like it's about Axl. Though the "You want to show your bruises" line kind of leaves a bad taste in your mouth, even though Slash probably was just whining about Axl being all "woe is me" all the time.

Tearing at the membrane
Of the first new thing in years
Found a nagging consolation
In a glass of Everclear
And the ugly truth has raped you
They're saying you're a lousy lay
But isn't everything that way

"And the ugly truth has raped you / They're saying you're a lousy lay". Unfortunate word choices aside (because yes, like @giuls said, this is kind of cruel too if we're assuming the song is about Axl), what the hell is that? :lol: Slash randomly taking a cheap shot at Axl's skills in bed? And who's saying Axl is a lousy lay? Were there rumors about that back in the day? And why would Slash care anyway? :P (Plus, it's not like Slash has much room to talk here, if groupies and ex-wives are to be believed :lol::facepalm:)

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, cheesecake said:

Wait. I may have missed the boat and trying to understand here...

I've seen many references on this thread on "Slash's stepdaughters"... urmm are Slash and Meegan already married? Because I thought they are still dating. So I may have missed the big news bummer....when??

Or....they haven't tied the knot yet but it's the norm to refer the kids of their other half's as step? Honest ques here...

As far as I know they aren't married

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11 hours ago, killuridols said:

 

This looks like the work of either Scarlett or Lucy Bleu playing with Slash' phone :lol:

I know one of them is secretly in love with Axl.

 

 

11 hours ago, Frey said:

How do you figure?

Slash's step daughter being in love with Axl would be so... I don't even know what to call that :lol:

 

Sorry but heading down this line of thinking I feel is uncalled for on a public forum. I appreciate these girls have IG accounts but they are not public figures. I defend the existence of this thread a fair bit so please don't push it too far with the unfounded speculations.

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4 hours ago, triad said:

No.  :facepalm:   First, the name is wrong.  Axl's stepfather is L. Stephen Bailey.  Second, he was about 67 years old in 2014, and the guy in the photo looks much younger.

https://billiongraves.com/grave/L-Stephen-Bailey/3847448#/

Yes, my thoughts exactly.

Also looking at this guy's crimes... I can see Axl's step dad committing traffic violations (I mean he was an insane driver even with small children in the car apparently), but burglary?! Various other misdemeanors? Doesn't sound like something a straight-laced christian fundamentalist type would do. He'd have to really have changed his ways or have some kind of mental breakdown if he went from being a preacher to being a burglar.

4 hours ago, lilacmess said:

I have a little bit of information about this. There are some quotes on Chinese Whispers, where Slash explains who wrote the lyrics for what song.

"I think it's pretty easy to tell which songs he wrote and which ones I wrote: all of my songs are directed at one person... though no-one picked up on it at the time. I used the record as an opportunity to vent a lot of shit that I needed to get off my chest." (Slash, Autobiography)

"I had two songs with lyrics I'd finished myself, 'Be the Ball', and 'Take It Away'... 'What Do You Want to Be' is me and Eric... 'I Hate Everybody But You' is the closest I ever got to a love song, I wrote most of the lyrics for that... 'Back and Forth Again' was my title but Eric had the lyrics. It's about people not being able to come to some cohesive understanding and breaking up." (Slash, Metal Edge Magazine, 04/95)

"One of the first songs Eric did was a song called 'Beggars and Hangers-On', where he wrote the whole song in one night. I was really impressed with that... It's about everybody we know! Half the girls I've met in my career to this point... So we went to Rumbo in the Valley and wrote the lyrics and melodies for 13 songs in one day." (Slash, Metal Edge Magazine, 04/95)

Personally I don't think 'I Hate Everybody But You' is about Axl, but I'm open for crazy over the top, yet insightful song interpretations by the Slaxl Club Members and their Chairman! :lol:@Frey

9 hours ago, Blackstar said:

- Back And Forth Again: Although your analysis is very plausible (and I agree with you, @Asia, @giuls and @Frey that the lyrics are not "romantic" or anything like that), I have some doubts about this one. Its mood is different than the other two songs (or three, if we count Good To Be Alive in); these are angry, nasty even, while Back And Forth is more empathetic and affectionate. And it doesn't reflect so much the situation in the band, as Slash has described it (with Tobias and all that), at the time when he supposedly wrote all these songs (i.e. during 1994). It fits more to the period during of after the Snakepit tour and a little before Slash quit. Of course he could have written this earlier than the other songs, when he wasn't so angry.

Great quotes, @lilacmess!

@Blackstar I agree about the mood of BAFA being different. But I always kind of assumed that's why it's the last song on the album- to end the album on a slightly less bitter, more hopeful (though still melancholy) note. Or at least on a question mark.

But if the lyrics for that one really were written by Eric Dover for the most part, then that's a moot discussion anyway. Though Slash's explanation for the song "It's about people not being able to come to some cohesive understanding and breaking up" still fits Axl and Slash's situation lol.

Now for the other stuff...

Slash: "All of my songs are directed at one person." (Axl)

Also Slash: "'I Hate Everybody But You' is the closest I ever got to a love song, I wrote most of the lyrics for that."

:awesomeface:

I see what you did there, @lilacmess :P

Seriously though, I think this is once again a case of Slash being forgetful and getting things about himself or his own life wrong lol. Apart from the fact that "I Hate Everybody But You" would pose the same problem as BAFA (being much different in tone than the other songs about Axl), the idea of that song being about Axl is just... :rofl-lol:

I mean...

"You rub me all the right ways baby"

Okay then, Slash :awesomeface:

When you were told you're too old
To strip to pay the bills
You moved in with your loser friends
So you could take designer pills
Take it how you want it
Scream that you were framed
Cause you beat
My sister's looks and all
But the sex is just the same

Axl was told he was too old to strip to pay the bills? Mean :max: I would have watched him strip all day long. And Slash has sex with Axl, who looks better than his sister? Well that's not exactly a hard thing to achieve, considering that Slash doesn't have a sister :lol:

Back to being serious, I remember reading somewhere that this song is about Perla. And that works way better.

I hate everybody but you
Seems no matter what I do
I can't help feelin' paranoid
Of what's in it for you
(Slash was already suspecting Perla of being a gold digger)

I hate everybody but you
But I got no one else to turn to
(here we go again with Slash apparently being lonely)
If I end up getting screwed
I might as well get screwed by you
(well, he did end up getting screwed by her :rolleyes:)

 

 

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@Lumikki i don't take that orphan line literally, Slash talked about Axl crying about his home life all the time, he has a loving family and wasn't it Slash that told a story about how no-one but Axl's grandma went to see them in concert when they were in Indiana and that's why he only likes Axl's grandma because he thought it was sad for Axl? so i don't think it's a stretch that he would equate Axl as an orphan, plus, him saying in public that daddy was his best friend and what he said to his favorite confidant where he didn't have to save face may have been two different things.

The moving in together, people move in together with friends all the time, they did move in together. 

the "i love you" part, it may not be a romantic i love you, i'm thinking about Axl's "i will still be your friend" in that famous interview, it was said very non-chalantly, it's not a stretch that they talked about what it would happen if they failed and saying to each other "no matter what, we'll always have eachother" and i can see Slash opening with "Axl, i'm saying it because i love you and i'm your friend" when he thought Axl was going to freak out about what he has to said to try to keep him calm.

"movie screen" line: Axl was (is?) obsessed with fame and luxury (male and female servant?) Slash wanted to make it, sure, but it was more about the music, to him the money was a minor point in confront of the importance placed in money and being famous by Axl, Slash has less problems about control and he has a less extravagant life style in confront of Axl, Axl is a diva, you know what i mean? 

 

And yes, the bruises and the lousy lay are kinda cruel and a cheap shot (males and their virility...) but this is an angry song and he would try to hurt Axl, this is the same man that admitted to fanning the flames of the feud and that in 2010 published a song about Axl with the line "to me you're dead" and this something you say to hurt people, he could have said "thank you, Ozzy, but maybe it's a bit much" and this was in 2010, in 1994/95 the wounds were still fresh.

 

I don't think "I hate everybody but you" is about Axl too but there are two damn funny quotes together :rofl-lol: :rofl-lol:

 

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11 hours ago, cheesecake said:

Wait. I may have missed the boat and trying to understand here...

I've seen many references on this thread on "Slash's stepdaughters"... urmm are Slash and Meegan already married? Because I thought they are still dating. So I may have missed the big news bummer....when??

Or....they haven't tied the knot yet but it's the norm to refer the kids of their other half's as step? Honest ques here...

It's somewhat the norm. I think because Meegan and Slash seem to have blended their families they're considered step-kids. I doubt Slash will marry again, but who knows.

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the "i love you" part, it may not be a romantic i love you, i'm thinking about Axl's "i will still be your friend" in that famous interview, it was said very non-chalantly, it's not a stretch that they talked about what it would happen if they failed and saying to each other "no matter what, we'll always have eachother" and i can see Slash opening with "Axl, i'm saying it because i love you and i'm your friend" when he thought Axl was going to freak out about what he has to said to try to keep him calm.

They used the word love in relation to how they feel about each other about a million times, Axl even said "I love you" to Slash on stage, you've got plenty of footage where they would hug each other in a way that was really VERY affectionate, what makes anyone think they weren't telling each other I love you on a regular basis? Isn't that what you do in loving families?

I guess we really should understand thet their relationship was not the regular friendship, being buddies or whatever but much, much more. As Duff once said - "Would I ever get in that kind of relationship with some other guy? No way!". It was a very special one of a kind thing they had between them and even though I don't personally believe they fucked, I think it was in fact quite romantic. Or just watch that video I made and tell me it ain't love and it ain't quite romantic ;)

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