SerenityScorp Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 1 minute ago, Padme said: Never heard such a thing Ive read somewhere, About 14 years Song, They wrote same songs about 14 years, Izzy write it about Axl, but Axl thinks its for a Girl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Just now, SerenityScorp said: Ive read somewhere, About 14 years Song, They wrote same songs about 14 years, Izzy write it about Axl, but Axl thinks its for a Girl Axl is in denial! Nothing new when it comes to Axl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerenityScorp Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Padme said: Axl is in denial! Nothing new when it comes to Axl I'm not sure about tht, maybe Izzy just didnt told Him about tht song Edited October 6, 2016 by SerenityScorp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 1 minute ago, Padme said: Axl is in denial! Nothing new when it comes to Axl Well from what I remember Izzy and Axl both wrote a song called 14 years, and they smushed them together into one song. (This much is true). Supposedly Izzy had written the song about Axl (which makes sense, considering that at that point Axl and Izzy had known each other for 14 years, and all the negative sentiments might be how he felt about Axl during that time), but told Axl it was about some girl because he didn't want to upset him. This is generally how the story is told and it's kind of become something everyone believes/knows now, but I've never actually seen a source for this. So if anyone has an Izzy quote saying he wrote that song about his and Axl's relationship, I'd love to see it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, SerenityScorp said: http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/216690-guitar-world-slash-izzy-stradlin/ Dont forget tht these two are Axl's ex lover N' They both fight over Axl But isnt Axl thinks tht 14 years is about a Girl? Izzy is Axl's ex-boyfriend too now? Damn, this band is a case for the Jerry Springer show 3 hours ago, Blackstar said: I wonder if Slash asked or said something to Axl about Sorry. According to what Axl said in the interview, Slash and Duff asked him which CD songs he wanted to play. He probably said "this, this, this ... and Sorry - no, it's not about you" I've wondered about this as well. I mean it's very likely that Slash figured Sorry was about him, so it probably had to come up somehow. I could see them ignoring the song's existence and never talking about it if they never played it, but since they did decide to play it... 3 hours ago, Blackstar said: There are lines that could be about Slash (e.g. "You know that I/got under your skin/You sold your soul/but I won't let you win) and others that don't make sense to me being about him (e.g. You've got all the answers/You know everything/Why nobody asked you/'s a mystery to me", "You don't know who in the hell to/or not to believe"). I prefer Sorry to CtD too, but the lyrics are below Axl's ability. I like it musically though, especially its live rendition in the NITL tour; it's funny that the only two CD songs which imo sounded good in this tour (Sorry and the title track) are the weakest lyrically. I think CtD was more Slash's answer to the "cancer" thing than to Sorry. Sorry (if it's about Slash) is not as explicit as Slash's songs about Axl, unless "shut up and sing" was Slash's exact words. Yeah, Axl could do better, but it amuses me how childish and petty the lyrics are lol. Here's who/what I think the various lines are about: Purple = Slash Orange = Slash and/or the public aka media and fans (basically lines that could apply to either or maybe actually are directed at both) Blue = the public (media and fans) You like to hurt me You know that you do You like to think In some way That it's me And not you (But we know that isn't true)You like to have me Jump an be good But I... Don't want to do itYou don't know why I won't act the way You think I shouldYou thought they'd make me Behave and submit (submit) What were you thinking Cause I don't forgetYou don't know why I won't give in To hell with the pressure I'm not cavin' inYou know that I Got under your skin You sold your soul But I won't let you winYou talk too much You say I do Difference is nobody cares about you You've got all the answers You know everything Why nobody asked you 'S a mystery to meI'm sorry for you Not sorry for me You don't know who in the hell to or not to believe I'm sorry for you Not sorry for me You don't know who you can trust now Or you should believe You should believe You don't know who you can trust now Or you should believeYou close your eyes All well and good I'll kick your ass Like I said that I would You tell them stories they'd rather believe Use and confuse them They're numb and naive Truth is the truth hurts Don't you agree? It's harder to live With the truth about you Than to live with The lies about meNobody owes you Not one goddamn thingYou know where to put your Just shut up and singI'm sorry for you Not sorry for me You don't know who in the hell to Or not to believe I'm sorry for you Not sorry for meYou choose to hurt those that love you An won't see them free Won't see them free You choose to hurt those that love you And won't see them freeYou don't need Anyone else to be Sorry for youYou've got no heart You can't see All that you've done for me I know the reasons You tear me apart Edited October 6, 2016 by Frey 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
money honey Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 20 hours ago, Frey said: Did Axl ever seem afraid of Slash leaving before he actually left? I can't think of anything indicating that at the moment. I always had the impression that Axl was pretty shocked when Slash left. Also your explanation didn't actually help I'm still seeing something awful like this in my mind: Axl (with suspiciously shiny and wet eyes): I thought you'd agree with me on this one, Slash? Why are you being so stubborn about this? Don't you care about our band anymore? Slash (sighing internally): Of course I care. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with you on everything. Axl (with actual tears in his eyes now): You always used to agree with me on everything. You're just being stubborn to be an ass. Why are you doing that to me? Don't you care about me anymore? Slash (internal sighing becomes external sighing): Of course I care about you. /awkwardly pets Axl's head Axl (with an angry expression appearing on his face): You're lying! You're always lying! You don't love me! You never did! Slash (cringing): Of course I love you. /awkward petting continues Axl (sobbing now): I don't believe you. Sooner or later you're gonna leave. Just like Izzy and everyone else. Slash (thinking he hasn't got enought JD in him to deal with this shit): It's the truth. I love you and I'm never gonna leave you. Axl (looking at Slash with teary eyes): Promise? Slash (sighing internally again): Yes, I promise to never leave. ... [Many years later] ... ...cancer! ...to me you're dead!... soul-less imposter!... all axl's fault!... better removed and avoided!... loaded gun jammed by a rose!... just shut up and sing!... liar!... control freak!... pedo supporter!... power hungry!... you like to hurt me, you know that you do!... sell-out!... not in this lifetime! -------------------------------- Good thing I don't write movies or TV shows, they'de be the worst and most cliched ones ever I think Sorry is about Slash, but also about the public (the media and the fans). These two things seem to be pretty entwined in Axl's mind anyway, since he blamed Slash a lot for his own bad reputation and the public's perception of him. But yeah, I agree (though I much prefer Sorry compared to CtD). Maybe they should try writing songs full of positive emotions about their recently re-discovered love for each other instead lol. "Pats awkwardly on head" ... brilliant ... I'm in stitches at the JD bit too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy14 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I also want to discuss lyrics with you but real life and work won't let me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Andy14 said: I also want to discuss lyrics with you but real life and work won't let me Just post your thoughts on whichever songs you want to comment on whenever you get the time. I always love hearing other people's interpretations. 23 minutes ago, money honey said: "Pats awkwardly on head" ... brilliant ... I'm in stitches at the JD bit too. Lol thanks, glad the stupidity going on in my brain was amusing to you Edited October 6, 2016 by Frey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane M. Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 30 minutes ago, Frey said: Izzy is Axl's ex-boyfriend too now? FUCK NO. There's enough drama as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Frey Posted October 6, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Jane M. said: FUCK NO. There's enough drama as it is. But you see, Axl and Izzy probably were childhood sweethearts, then Axl followed Izzy to L.A. (couldn't bear to be left behind) and all was fine for a while. Izzy found a nice little job as a heroin dealer and took care of Axl's overwhelmed ass and watched out for him. Axl waited in their cosy little shithole apartment for him to come home from "work" and served him meals of plain rice and nothing else. It was all very idyllic. But then Slash came along. And as he admitted, he wanted Axl for himself. So for a while there Izzy and Slash were fighting over Axl, trying to win his affections. Axl, being the little trollop that he is, couldn't decide between the two of them and just kept both of them around. It kind of worked for a couple of years, but then tension within the band started to reach critical levels and everything started to fall apart. Thus, Guns was no more and people to this day are still fighting over why exactly the band broke up, when the real reason (as outlined here) is so obvious Like I said, they should appear on the Jerry Springer show. (The real reason why Izzy isn't involved in this reunion also relates to this. Izzy doesn't like the thought of watching Axl make heart-eyes at Slash all the time on (and off) stage. Too painful. ) Edited October 6, 2016 by Frey 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane M. Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 28 minutes ago, Frey said: But you see, Axl and Izzy probably were childhood sweethearts, then Axl followed Izzy to L.A. (couldn't bear to be left behind) and all was fine for a while. Izzy found a nice little job as a heroin dealer and took care of Axl's overwhelmed ass and watched out for him. Axl waited in their cosy little shithole apartment for him to come home from "work" and served him meals of plain rice and nothing else. It was all very idyllic. Aww Kudos to you Frey, that was really cute and romantic but... NO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 5 minutes ago, Jane M. said: Aww Kudos to you Frey, that was really cute and romantic but... NO. (The part you quoted was the one mostly based on reality though Even them eating plain rice is true, I distinctly remember reading something about that on here, so.... YES. ) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgnr Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) So what do you say? Rehearsals for SA? Laying down some stuff for Izzy? Or new album? (the last one, let me dream ) Edited October 6, 2016 by dgnr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy14 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 20 minutes ago, dgnr said: So what do you say? Rehearsals for SA? Laying down some stuff for Izzy? Or new album? (the last one, let me dream ) New ACDC bassist audition 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane M. Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 2 minutes ago, Andy14 said: New ACDC bassist audition You're going to give a bunch of people a heart attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RussTCB Posted October 6, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2016 I don't believe I've ever contributed to the this, but there's a first time for everything! Personally, I have never believed Sorry is about Slash. For my money, it's The Blues that is 100% about Slash. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 4 minutes ago, RussTCB said: I don't believe I've ever contributed to the this, but there's a first time for everything! Personally, I have never believed Sorry is about Slash. For my money, it's The Blues that is 100% about Slash. You're not alone with that opinion. I remember there were some people arguing that SoD/The Blues is about Slash when that song was discussed here some time ago. I could see it being that way too. I think it's either about Slash or another Seymour/Everly ballad, both interpretations make sense to me. Though I'm leaning towards Slash a bit more because of the original title and a few lines in the song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgnr Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 51 minutes ago, RussTCB said: I don't believe I've ever contributed to the this, but there's a first time for everything! Personally, I have never believed Sorry is about Slash. For my money, it's The Blues that is 100% about Slash. Glad you joined the madness, didn't see that coming And yeah I do agree SOD is about Slash. Sorry I always thought it was too but now, after they played it during the tour, I have my doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerenityScorp Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Frey said: Izzy is Axl's ex-boyfriend too now? Damn, this band is a case for the Jerry Springer show To Izzy it's unrequited love But for Slash, Slash can love Him back Edited October 7, 2016 by SerenityScorp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane M. Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 2 hours ago, RussTCB said: I don't believe I've ever contributed to the this, but there's a first time for everything! Good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, RussTCB said: I don't believe I've ever contributed to the this, but there's a first time for everything! Personally, I have never believed Sorry is about Slash. For my money, it's The Blues that is 100% about Slash. Well the line "what I thought was beautiful don't live inside of you anymore" hint Slash because Axl thought that the good Slash die of an OD. And some bad spirit got iinside of him after he came back to life. But it would be sad to know that was the case. How come Axl used to believe that bullshit? Other than that I don't see much Slash related content in the song. But maybe you are right and the song is about Slash. I believe This I Love is about Erin Edited October 7, 2016 by Padme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 I still believe The Blues is about Erin and Steph, not Slash. Russ posting in this thread is like Axl and Slash getting back together, I could never see it happening lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane M. Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 2 hours ago, Padme said: Well the line "what I thought was beautiful don't live inside of you anymore" hint Slash because Axl thought that the good Slash die of an OD. And some bad spirit got iinside of him after he came back to life. But it would be sad to know that was the case. How come Axl used to believe that bullshit? That right there has to be at the top 5 of craziest things said by Axl Rose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Frey Posted October 7, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Padme said: 12 hours ago, RussTCB said: I don't believe I've ever contributed to the this, but there's a first time for everything! Personally, I have never believed Sorry is about Slash. For my money, it's The Blues that is 100% about Slash. Well the line "what I thought was beautiful don't live inside of you anymore" hint Slash because Axl thought that the good Slash die of an OD. And some bad spirit got iinside of him after he came back to life. But it would be sad to know that was the case. How come Axl used to believe that bullshit? Yeah that, but there's more: All the love in the world couldn't save you All the innocence insideYou know I tried so hard to make you Oh to make you change your mind Slash has talked to about this. According to Slash Axl couldn't believe that he would really leave and went to crazy lengths to make him stay, calling everyone Slash knew etc. Axl even called Slash's dad and asked him to make Slash stay. And it hurts too much to see you And how you left yourself behind You know I wouldn't want to be you Now there's a hell I can't describe This is in line with stuff Axl has said about Slash in interviews, about how he's disappointed in him and basically calling him a sell-out. "I mean, with Slash, I remember crying about all kinds of things in my life, but I had never felt ... hot, burning tears of anger. Basically, to me, it was because I am watching this guy and I don't understand it. Playing with everyone from Space Ghost to Michael Jackson. I don't get it. I wanted the world to love and respect him. I just watched him throw it away." The last two lines are similar to the sentiments expressed in Prostitute, about how unlike Slash, Axl wouldn't want to be a whore for fortune and fame. So now I wander through my days Trying to find my ways To the feelings that I felt I saved for you and no one else Sounds kinda gay admittedly, but Axl did talk about how much Slash's emotional style of guitar playing meant to him and how hard it was to find someone else like that. And as this thread has taught me, Axl and Slash did have a relationship quite different (and more intense and emotionally charged) than the rest of the guys in the band, so the "feelings that I felt for you and no one else" line might actually be quite appropriate. Or he's just talking about the feelings Slash's guitar playing cause in him lol. And though as long as this road seems I know it's called the street of dreams But that's not stardust on my feet It leaves a taste that's bittersweet That's called the blues Going on without Slash is bittersweet. The last line might be a bit of a play on words, it expresses both Axl's depression about Slash leaving and also references Slash's blues-style playing. I don't know just what I should do Everywhere I go I see you You know it's what you planned, this much is true What I thought was beautiful, don't live inside of you anymore Axl doesn't know how to move forward, he sees Slash everywhere he goes because unlike Axl, Slash didn't hide away from the world and was omnipresent in the media and at public events. The third line reminds me of a line in What Do You Want To Be: "And you ain't been out in days / Will the sunshine burn your face / Preserve your precious skin / I'll go out, you stay in" That's what Slash wrote back in the mid 90s and that's exactly what happened. Slash went out and did his thing, being everywhere, while Axl holed up in his mansion. The last line is about him thinking Slash is not the same anymore, him not being able to see the things in him that he used to see. Maybe even him thinking that Slash's soul got swapped with someone else's when he OD'd (if that ridiculous story is even true). What this means to me Is more than I know you believe What I thought of you now Has cost more than it should for me He doesn't believe Slash ever felt the same way about him and the band, didn't care as much. And him thinking so highly of Slash and being so involved and dependent on him (in a professional sense and in a personal one) has left him a broken man, struggling to move forward. What I thought was true before Were lies I couldn't see What I thought was beautiful Is only memories All the things he thought were beautiful, good and true about Slash were only lies. Which fits, because Slash is a huge liar in Axl's mind. I mean he still didn't miss a chance to immediately talk about all the lies in Slash's book, even after their reunion. And I think it was @Blackstar who once pointed out that Axl has a habit of looking back at things and re-interpreting them from his current situation, often twisting them in the process. And the original title of the song itself, "The Blues", might be a reference to Slash as well, as I pointed out above. Maybe that's why Axl changed the title, to make it less obvious. (Credit for a lot of these thoughts probably goes to @Lumikki, @Blackstar and other people. I feel like I stole a lot of ideas in this analysis from other people that have previously talked about this in this thread ) Edited October 7, 2016 by Frey 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 8 minutes ago, Jane M. said: 3 hours ago, Padme said: Well the line "what I thought was beautiful don't live inside of you anymore" hint Slash because Axl thought that the good Slash die of an OD. And some bad spirit got iinside of him after he came back to life. But it would be sad to know that was the case. How come Axl used to believe that bullshit? That right there has to be at the top 5 of craziest things said by Axl Rose. But Axl never said that, did he? Wasn't it just Tom Zutaut who claimed that Axl believed that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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