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I agree @killuridols up to a point. This for me is the most frustrating thing about being a fan of Axl Rose and his band.

I think he is scared to release new music, scared to do interviews and scared of what people might say about him. So he hides, he puts gag orders on everyone who works for him. All that makes me think he is so far away from the fearless singer he was in the 1980s. Cowardly behaviour, yes. 

Then he goes and does what he did with AC/DC. Wtf?!?! You can't say that didn't take some fucking guts, because it really did! How can he go and do something so brave like that after all this time? The scrutiny must've been unbearable for him, but he still did it. 

I did kind of feel like I was watching god onstage :lol: he really blew me away that day. 

I thought that Axl was long gone 

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1 minute ago, Nightrain92 said:

I wasn't even born when Guns were in their prime but I would NEVER ever say that the hired hands of the CD lineups are better than the original members that created this band! I stopped reading fortus thread cause it was really cringeworthy as I said on it... But I respect your point of view ?

Your questions are also mine..l! Why they continue to go to a lot of shows?? Why they keep posting here most of the times whining about everything?!?

A year ago no one could imagine what we witnessed last year and I'm so happy about the reunion and that slash and a duff are back in the band even if with Izzy and Steven the whole thing would be perfect!!!

 but really can't believe people prefer fink or bucket over slash doing solos that slash created not them.!!! Can understand for CD's songs (even if I think with slash are better) but for guns's songs :facepalm:

I think they are get back at the rest of us. A couple of years ago there were plenty of thread where fans were making coments like "Finck suck" "Buckethead is cringe worthy" " I want a reunion" All this happening all the time. They only thing mostly everyone agree was about Ashba sucks

Well we got what we wanted. They haven't. All those guys are gone and there are no sign  of CD II on the horizon.

Besides despite the reunion we have no news. We got just 2 interviews last year and still many unanswered questions. Their social media media sucks. They talk about politics or whatever bullshit. So we have Richard, being a yes man like he was before and Tommy. I'm disappointed as well to some degree. I thought a few things were going to be diferent

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3 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I agree @killuridols up to a point. This for me is the most frustrating thing about being a fan of Axl Rose and his band.

I think he is scared to release new music, scared to do interviews and scared of what people might say about him. So he hides, he puts gag orders on everyone who works for him. All that makes me think he is so far away from the fearless singer he was in the 1980s. Cowardly behaviour, yes. 

Then he goes and does what he did with AC/DC. Wtf?!?! You can't say that didn't take some fucking guts, because it really did! How can he go and do something so brave like that after all this time? The scrutiny must've been unbearable for him, but he still did it. 

I did kind of feel like I was watching god onstage :lol: he really blew me away that day. 

I thought that Axl was long gone 

Yes, that's weird but maybe it is because he knows he's not the image or the face of AC/DC. That some other guy will eventually have to face the hard questions. That there is no Slash to be asked about here.

You know... not his problem, so maybe that's why it is easier for him to be more professional about that gig.

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Btw, the passive-aggressiveness in this thread is so fucking ridiculous AGAIN :lol:

It is good when you leave the forum for so long, get your life and a lot of things in perspective and be less sensible or sensitive about a fucking singer :lol:

Like, I read some shit and I feel like :rofl-lol:

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11 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

I agree, I would also like to read it. I always took his interviews as account of his pov. No matter how screwed up that may be. It gives insight into how he sees the world and to what went down.

We will never know "the truth", because the truth hardly exists at all. It is a concept. Even if something just occured recently and everyone remembers correctly, things have different meanings for everyone. Thus situations, actions, reactions, interactions are interpreted differently and so whe have 3 or 5 people and at least 5 very different POVs and interpretations. Especially when drugs, overblown egos and complicated childhood traumas come into play.

I would like to know Axls POV, what he remembers and what it felt like for him. 

Well said. Whatever Axl says it would be how it was for him. Like I said in my posts yesterday, it's not easy being me and I think he feels the same way. Past pain and hurts cause you to react differently and think differently that other people feel you should react, it's not something you can change just because people tell you it is wrong because in your mind it isn't. I have tried to defend him for years and always will. I honestly worry about how things people write might hurt him. And no, I am not some love crazed fan, I am way too smart and old for that kind of shit.

Not meaning to offend any of you, simply stating my POV.

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5 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I don't think that Axl was jealous of Slash for this reason then. There's this quote of him:

It’s like the first time I met Slash, I said, “The world’s gotta see this guy.” That’s why when he plays with other people or does solo things it totally gets me off and makes me happy. It secures his place in rock history as a guitarist. [Hit Parader, 1993]

I doesn't seem to me that he would lie about this thing.

Maybe he got jealous later (I mean after the break up), because Slash played with people Axl liked or wanted to collaborate with:

It’s a trip for me to witness as so many of the people he performs with etc he hated then, them, their bands and their music where the others or I were the fans. [Axl Chat, 2008]

Yeah that's one of the reasons the jealousy theory doesn't cut it for me. Thanks for the quote.

 

5 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Duff was in the room when OIAM was written, with West Arkeen, possibly Del, etc. Axl has said that they were all laughing and joking about it. So maybe either this is really Duff's account of the meaning of the song or he came up with this interpretation because later he was ashamed of being there. Regardless of whether he believes it or not, Duff's version contradicts, at least to some extent, what Axl himself said; even as a 'character study' song, it's driven from Axl's own experiences. I do believe though, judging from the CBGB's performance, that it was initially written as a joke as Axl said, kind of like Used To Love Her.

Yes, exactly! :lol:

Duff is either a lying liar who lies and came up with his own nice and non-offensive explanation later on, or his memories and view of the whole creation process radically differs from Axl's.

To be fair to Duff, that's perfectly possible. If there are 5 people involved in one event, you will get 5 different stories usually after all.

 

3 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I agree @killuridols up to a point. This for me is the most frustrating thing about being a fan of Axl Rose and his band.

I think he is scared to release new music, scared to do interviews and scared of what people might say about him. So he hides, he puts gag orders on everyone who works for him. All that makes me think he is so far away from the fearless singer he was in the 1980s. Cowardly behaviour, yes. 

Then he goes and does what he did with AC/DC. Wtf?!?! You can't say that didn't take some fucking guts, because it really did! How can he go and do something so brave like that after all this time? The scrutiny must've been unbearable for him, but he still did it. 

I did kind of feel like I was watching god onstage :lol: he really blew me away that day. 

I thought that Axl was long gone 

I think he's really scared too. If we believe people like Niven and others Axl has always been scared of failing and not being good enough and I'm sure the whole CD/NuGNR thing didn't help with that. My hope is that the presence of Slash and Duff (and maybe Izzy if we're lucky) will help with that.

With them there, it's not all on his shoulders. If a potential new album sucks, he's not going to one who has to take the fall alone.

(And I don't understand the AC/DC thing either :lol:)

 

 

 

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I think a good deal of it has to do with him not knowing what the fans expect of him. We want him wild and raw, but we want him humble too. We want him to be a screaming banshee, but at the same time a cool collected apologetic sycophant. We don't want him to speak out about world issues, but we want him to show us he cares too. Man that must be exhausting. 

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8 minutes ago, BlueJean Baby said:

Well said. Whatever Axl says it would be how it was for him. Like I said in my posts yesterday, it's not easy being me and I think he feels the same way. Past pain and hurts cause you to react differently and think differently that other people feel you should react, it's not something you can change just because people tell you it is wrong because in your mind it isn't. I have tried to defend him for years and always will. I honestly worry about how things people write might hurt him. And no, I am not some love crazed fan, I am way too smart and old for that kind of shit.

Not meaning to offend any of you, simply stating my POV.

You and I share similar thoughts on this matter. Like I just stated in my post, it must be exhausting to deal with.

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26 minutes ago, Padme said:

I think they are get back at the rest of us. A couple of years ago there were plenty of thread where fans were making coments like "Finck suck" "Buckethead is cringe worthy" " I want a reunion" All this happening all the time. They only thing mostly everyone agree was about Ashba sucks

Well we got what we wanted. They haven't. All those guys are gone and there are no sign  of CD II on the horizon.

Besides despite the reunion we have no news. We got just 2 interviews last year and still many unanswered questions. Their social media media sucks. They talk about politics or whatever bullshit. So we have Richard, being a yes man like he was before and Tommy. I'm disappointed as well to some degree. I thought a few things were going to be diferent

Yeah as I said in the fortus thread before the reunion people wanted slash back and now that he is back the want the hired hands :facepalm:            I would never thought that after the reunion people continue to whine about almost everything!

I agree with you that they could handle better the whole situation I'm very disappointed about the interviews cause I think we deserve some kind of explanation about the reunion and how everything went... Plus slash is more than a year that doesn't say a word... It's kind weird in my opinion cause if everything is alright, as I think it is between them, it shouldn't be so difficult to speak!! 

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1 hour ago, Rocketqueen76 said:

I guess I'm in the minority on this, because I don't think anyone deserves to be treated so badly. Should he own up to his mistakes....Hell yeah he should. Should he humble himself....damn right. Do we as fans make it difficult for him to do these things....maybe. Honestly how many would call bullshit on an Axl Rose apology? The answer is plenty because it wouldn't be viewed as sincere....only placating.

Who's being treated so badly? Axl? Not trying to be funny with you or anything, just wondering. 

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1 minute ago, Nightrain92 said:

Yeah as I said in the fortus thread before the reunion people wanted slash back and now that he is back the want the hired hands :facepalm:            I would never thought that after the reunion people continue to whine about almost everything!

I agree with you that they could handle better the whole situation I'm very disappointed about the interviews cause I think we deserve some kind of explanation about the reunion and how everything went... Plus slash is more than a year that doesn't say a word... It's kind weird in my opinion cause if everything is alright, as I think it is between them, it shouldn't be so difficult to speak!! 

As you can see, not everyone wanted Slash back. There are many people here who are fans of many bands. They like GN'R but it's their favorite band. That also might play a role

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1 minute ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Who's being treated so badly? Axl? Not trying to be funny with you or anything, just wondering. 

Yes....to a certain extent. Could you imagine going online and bracing yourself for the next negative thing some one who doesn't even have personal ties has to say? It happens everyday in a week to lots of people, but I only use Axl as an example because of the forum we are on. ?

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24 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Who's being treated so badly? Axl? Not trying to be funny with you or anything, just wondering. 

:lol:

What should we call the burning alive of a gay man in Africa? In 2016? Filmed on a cellphone?

16 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

How can you listen to AFD, Lies and the Illusions and then CD and then claim you want the musicians from CD to be the in the band :lol:

Even if you only started listening to GnR a year ago, it's just bat shit crazy to think the music of CD has better musicians than AFD :lol:

Omg :facepalm:

i know one guy in a Facebook group he's so fucking annoying saying all the time that Slash ruins the CD songs :rofl-lol:

Lots of weird people with this reunion, unfortunately. Most forums and fan places online suck because of these things.

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1 hour ago, killuridols said:

Who cares about the fans?

There are a lot of stuff written by fans and non fans out there. We already know what that opinion is about. Now I want to read what he has to say and I dont care what it is.

If people or artists are going to shut down just because someone reacts to their output then what will this world become into?

I see no logic in him not writting an autobiography because of those reasons. At this point in his life, and not only him, it happens to a regular Joe too, that people will always talk about what you do or say. Have an opinion on your life but what are you gonna do? Stop going out because of that? Grown up people face whatever and move on. Adult people do not care about these things. Mature people say "ok, I'm sorry, LOL" and keep on doing what they were doing.

Being a coward is the worst you can be. Running away and isolating just because people say shit about you is the behavior of a child.

Why can't he stop being a child for once and face the world, the fans or whoever.... After all, he's just a fucking singer, not a serial killer or a politician who's started a war or left people in total poverty.

Maybe that's the problem with Axl. He thinks he's too much and that he's more important than he really is.

You say it's childish and I agree that it's probably a little cowardly (especially if it that is the reason he won't release more music like @MillionsOfSpiders suggested). But if those are his feelings on the matter the... what can one do? I can empathise with not wanting to feed the general negativity. But I also think it's not right to have gag orders on the rest of the band and halt future creative output.

But then again, we are talking as fans and as you said, Who cares about the fans?

Idk, I was just trying to state how things might be from Axl's POV but what the fuck would I know? :shrugs:

(PS: If you think someone is being passive-aggressive towards you maybe try and sort it out on PM? Might be a misunderstanding? idk)

 

55 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Then he goes and does what he did with AC/DC. Wtf?!?! You can't say that didn't take some fucking guts, because it really did! How can he go and do something so brave like that after all this time? The scrutiny must've been unbearable for him, but he still did it. 

I did kind of feel like I was watching god onstage :lol: he really blew me away that day. 

Did you go to the UK shows? I went to the Manchester show and yeah, it was pretty fucking spectacular.

There was a lot of scrutiny and knee-jerk negativity all around but he managed to deliver. Maybe it was his inner fan-boy driving him on. Perhaps he always had a dream of singing for AC/DC and was like, "If Brian ever leaves, I am so in!". It also helped that (from my experience) the AC/DC fans and concert attendees didn't go out of their way to be assholes and try to get a rise out of him.

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1 hour ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I agree @killuridols up to a point. This for me is the most frustrating thing about being a fan of Axl Rose and his band.

I think he is scared to release new music, scared to do interviews and scared of what people might say about him. So he hides, he puts gag orders on everyone who works for him. All that makes me think he is so far away from the fearless singer he was in the 1980s. Cowardly behaviour, yes. 

Then he goes and does what he did with AC/DC. Wtf?!?! You can't say that didn't take some fucking guts, because it really did! How can he go and do something so brave like that after all this time? The scrutiny must've been unbearable for him, but he still did it. 

I did kind of feel like I was watching god onstage :lol: he really blew me away that day. 

I thought that Axl was long gone 

Agree. I watched all of those Axl/DC concerts on Periscope just for Axl and boy did he not disappoint! Not only did he freakin shriek, scream and sing his heart out, but I loved how he strutted down their catwalk in front of the skeptical fans with all that energy and swagger! He gained many a fans I tell ya!:headbang::headbang::headbang:

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44 minutes ago, Rocketqueen76 said:

Yes....to a certain extent. Could you imagine going online and bracing yourself for the next negative thing some one who doesn't even have personal ties has to say? It happens everyday in a week to lots of people, but I only use Axl as an example because of the forum we are on. ?

But that's what happen especially if you are a public figure. If you don't want to face something like this then don't have internet and don't go outside and have life. Be an eccentric man with escorts and entourages, with 3 cats and a dog, living in a fancy house on a hill and never get out until you're fucking die. Don't try making new music, don't try doing live performances, or anything.

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10 minutes ago, tifalucis said:

But that's what happen especially if you are a public figure. If you don't want to face something like this then don't have internet and don't go outside and have life. Be an eccentric man with escorts and entourages, with 3 cats and a dog, living in a fancy house on a hill and never get out until you're fucking die. Don't try making new music, don't try doing live performances, or anything.

Ummmm.....:shrugs:

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59 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

How can you listen to AFD, Lies and the Illusions and then CD and then claim you want the musicians from CD to be the in the band :lol:

Even if you only started listening to GnR a year ago, it's just bat shit crazy to think the music of CD has better musicians than AFD :lol:

I agree with you. But for some reason there are fans who love that album. I understand people liking Madagascar, SOD or IRS. But when people say they like If The World or Prostitute . I just don't get it

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17 minutes ago, tifalucis said:

But that's what happen especially if you are a public figure. If you don't want to face something like this then don't have internet and don't go outside and have life. Be an eccentric man with escorts and entourages, with 3 cats and a dog, living in a fancy house on a hill and never get out until you're fucking die. Don't try making new music, don't try doing live performances, or anything.

The problem is that he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.  The bashing has been going on for years and no one is ever happy....unfortunately it's just how it has always been where GNR is concerned. :P

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43 minutes ago, marlingrl03 said:

Agree. I watched all of those Axl/DC concerts on Periscope just for Axl and boy did he not disappoint! Not only did he freakin shriek, scream and sing his heart out, but I loved how he strutted down their catwalk in front of the skeptical fans with all that energy and swagger! He gained many a fans I tell ya!:headbang::headbang::headbang:

Axl's High Voltage walk was Hot AF.   :drool: :drool::drool:

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9 minutes ago, KiraMPD said:

You say it's childish and I agree that it's probably a little cowardly (especially if it that is the reason he won't release more music like @MillionsOfSpiders suggested). But if those are his feelings on the matter the... what can one do? I can empathise with not wanting to feed the general negativity. But I also think it's not right to have gag orders on the rest of the band and halt future creative output.

But then again, we are talking as fans and as you said, Who cares about the fans?

Idk, I was just trying to state how things might be from Axl's POV but what the fuck would I know? :shrugs:

(PS: If you think someone is being passive-aggressive towards you maybe try and sort it out on PM? Might be a misunderstanding? idk)

 I know we can't do anything about it if he doesn't want to release his book, because he was writing one and that means to me that he has considered this possibility. You know, that's much more than fans just dreaming about him writing his biography. It is an information we have about that.

What I said that it is coward to not release it because of fear... But I don't know if that's the reason. I think during China Exchange, what he said about that was different. He said that if he was going to publish his book, it would contradict the books published by the other members and that would make them look like liars or cause problems in the band again.

its funny because... Why would it make them look like liars? It feels like Axl thinks he's the owner of the truth. In his mind he think he's right, so the others are the liars. But he can't dictate how people would feel about his version. Maybe we read it and we think that HE is the liar :lol: or ... maybe some people with education will read it and say "ok, maybe there is truth in all of them books" and do not take this as if there was only one vision or version of the story. 

He can't control that... He has to put it out and deal with the reactions like any other artist, writer, singer, painter, dancer... whatever, you know... If he really backs off from putting out material just because of criticism then he shouldn't be an artist in first place. :shrugs:

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I will deal with the passive-aggressiveness of some people here the same way they do it to me: by being passive-aggressive :lol:. None of them deserves that I take time to write them a PM when none of them have the balls to QUOTE me when they want to address the things I say. Eye by an eye. That's how it's gonna be.

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4 minutes ago, killuridols said:

 I know we can't do anything about it if he doesn't want to release his book, because he was writing one and that means to me that he has considered this possibility. You know, that's much more than fans just dreaming about him writing his biography. It is an information we have about that.

What I said that it is coward to not release it because of fear... But I don't know if that's the reason. I think during China Exchange, what he said about that was different. He said that if he was going to publish his book, it would contradict the books published by the other members and that would make them look like liars or cause problems in the band again.

its funny because... Why would it make them look like liars? It feels like Axl thinks he's the owner of the truth. In his mind he think he's right, so the others are the liars. But he can't dictate how people would feel about his version. Maybe we read it and we think that HE is the liar :lol: or ... maybe some people with education will read it and say "ok, maybe there is truth in all of them books" and do not take this as if there was only one vision or version of the story. 

He can't control that... He has to put it out and deal with the reactions like any other artist, writer, singer, painter, dancer... whatever, you know... If he really backs off from putting out material just because of criticism then he shouldn't be an artist in first place. :shrugs:

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I will deal with the passive-aggressiveness of some people here the same way they do it to me: by being passive-aggressive :lol:. None of them deserves that I take time to write them a PM when none of them have the balls to QUOTE me when they want to address the things I say. Eye by an eye. That's how it's gonna be.

It's not about not having the balls to quote you or being passive aggressive, it's about stating one's opinion and adding to the conversation....that's all I have to say on the matter...no need to respond.

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5 minutes ago, killuridols said:

He can't control that... He has to put it out and deal with the reactions like any other artist, writer, singer, painter, dancer... whatever, you know... If he really backs off from putting out material just because of criticism then he shouldn't be an artist in first place. :shrugs:

Well, he doesn't have to do anything... As for the rest, would you prefer if he retired at this point? I was pretty much convinced that he had retired after 2014...

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48 minutes ago, KiraMPD said:

 

 

Did you go to the UK shows? I went to the Manchester show and yeah, it was pretty fucking spectacular.

There was a lot of scrutiny and knee-jerk negativity all around but he managed to deliver. Maybe it was his inner fan-boy driving him on. Perhaps he always had a dream of singing for AC/DC and was like, "If Brian ever leaves, I am so in!". It also helped that (from my experience) the AC/DC fans and concert attendees didn't go out of their way to be assholes and try to get a rise out of him.

Yes, I went to the Manchester show too. It's my all time favourite show I've ever attended (for now). I'm still blown away with how he handled all of that negativity, I felt really nervous for him before the Lisbon show. People really wanted him to fail. 

I agree that 90% of the people who went to that particular show were fine but we got hassled by AC/DC fans on the tram through Manchester, picking up all of the drunk ones from the pubs :/ They didn't like our GnR shirts and said some really stupid things to us. :max:

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