GNR Women's discussion

[Padme]

32 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

It totally was one for the ages. But as far as I know more so because some users went somewhat bonkers, right? His replies were, well, very Axl but really nice.

He never confessed to have been reading the women's thread, though. 

Nice? No I'm talking about an incident that took place at the begining of the 2010 tour.

32 minutes ago, marlingrl03 said:

Yeah... there is sooo much I want to say but don't in fear lol! I can't stand confrontation.

Never fear anything, but it's weird that some people are extremely inlove with CD. The world pretty much ignored it. I'm one who is very disappointed with that album. I find it to be boring, bad lyrics, self pity and way too melodramatic. GN'R is a hard rock band. Where is the big fuck you to everyone and everything? There is nothing like that in CD

[Nightrain92]

34 minutes ago, BlueJean Baby said:

I am not afraid of it, but have learned to pick my battles, so most of the time I just let it go, unless it just gets so ridiculous I can't stand it, then I let go a rant....

Yes me too!! I started a "rant" ( said him to go check himself ) only against a guy that was saying that Izzy can't play guitar and his amp was turned down during UYI tour but this guy is in love with fortus and probably is a troll so... But for the most I don't start discussions cause I couldn't care less about what they say... I have my opinions I say what I want  and  besides I think we are enjoying this reunion much more than them

21 minutes ago, Fansince88 said:

Based on those threads you'd have thought that day one of this tour was Rock in Rio and day two was Bridge School. WTF????  I'm with you though I don't have it in me to argue with strangers about rasp and whatever else. I'd much rather spend my time talking about  Axl/Erin/Steph, Slaxl, and how good Axl looks these days  and let @BlueJean Baby rant for us.  I think she is way tougher than me (and I mean that in a good way). 

 

On another note..... I'm interested to see Steven's Reddit AMA. Although, no tweet about his bday from Axl (unless I missed it)???

Yeah if one doesn't see the videos can think that this Japanese tour  is a total disaster reading those threads when it's not true at all!! 

I like  to talk about the guys, Slaxl above all  and Axl looks these days too!! Way more interesting than bitching about rasp or set list or CD...!

Axl didn't wish Steven Happy birthday on Twitter but GNR did! I really hope that Steven can answer some questions about GNR on Reddit to know his point of view and if he will show up in Europe!

 

[SerenityScorp]

I like CD but please dont block Me because of tht 

[Andy14]

Sorry for the shitty quality and the lack of rasp 

[Padme]

46 minutes ago, Nightrain92 said:

Yes me too!! I started a "rant" ( said him to go check himself ) only against a guy that was saying that Izzy can't play guitar and his amp was turned down during UYI tour but this guy is in love with fortus and probably is a troll so... But for the most I don't start discussions cause I couldn't care less about what they say... I have my opinions I say what I want  and  besides I think we are enjoying this reunion much more than them

Yeah if one doesn't see the videos can think that this Japanese tour  is a total disaster reading those threads when it's not true at all!! 

I like  to talk about the guys, Slaxl above all  and Axl looks these days too!! Way more interesting than bitching about rasp or set list or CD...!

Axl didn't wish Steven Happy birthday on Twitter but GNR did! I really hope that Steven can answer some questions about GNR on Reddit to know his point of view and if he will show up in Europe!

 

Axl never wishes happy b-day to anyone, not in social media. I don't rule out a phone call, text or email

[KiraMPD]

1 hour ago, Fansince88 said:

When I was a kid I would blast RQ and run to the stereo to turn down the sexy parts so my Mom wouldn't hear them.  The stuff I learned from GNR in those days......

I play music while I work in the lab, including AFD. So for songs like Rocket Queen I've made "radio-edit" versions so that I can listen to them at work without making things... awkward... 

 

1 hour ago, Padme said:

Nice? No I'm talking about an incident that took place at the begining of the 2010 tour.

Never fear anything, but it's weird that some people are extremely inlove with CD. The world pretty much ignored it. I'm one who is very disappointed with that album. I find it to be boring, bad lyrics, self pity and way too melodramatic. GN'R is a hard rock band. Where is the big fuck you to everyone and everything? There is nothing like that in CD

Ah... the Madison incident. Both cringe-worthy and hilarious. 

I love CD as an album (except a couple of songs). I thinks it's a matter of different tastes. I've noticed that different people find different tings that they like about GnR which is why people have such varying opinions about them. I'm guessing what attracted you to GnR was the attitude and the hard rock sound that AFD brought. Some were attracted to the epic ballads like NR and Estranged. I think every GnR fan has their own specific reason as to what attracted them to the band.

That being said I don't think of CD as a GnR album, but I do think it's an important element of the whole GnR-story. I agree that it is quite self-pitying and melodramatic (especially lyrically) but that's kinda the appeal for me, along with the instrumental arrangement. Lyrically it's not a positive album by any means but it feels like that's kinda the point. 

 

Edited January 24, 2017 by KiraMPD

[MillionsOfSpiders]

1 hour ago, Fansince88 said:

When I was a kid I would blast RQ and run to the stereo to turn down the sexy parts so my Mom wouldn't hear them.  The stuff I learned from GNR in those days......

I would deliberately turn those bits up!! Especially GITR  My stepdad snapped my GnR tapes so many times, I'd just get a blank tape and copy em again 

As for Axl not wishing Steven happy birthday, don't think he's ever wished anyone happy birthday on Twitter, except Bon Scott who is dead 

[Padme]

3 minutes ago, KiraMPD said:

I play music while I work in the lab, including AFD. So for songs like Rocket Queen I've made "radio-edit" versions so that I can listen to them at work without making things... awkward... 

 

Ah... the Madison incident. Both cringe-worthy and hilarious. 

I love CD as an album (except a couple of songs). I thinks it's a matter of different tastes. I've noticed that different people find different tings that they like about GnR which is why people have such varying opinions about them. I'm guessing what attracted you to GnR was the attitude and the hard rock sound that AFD brought. Others were attracted to the epic ballads like NR and Estranged.

That being said I don't think of CD as a GnR album, but I do think it's an important element of the whole GnR-story. I agree that it is quite self-pitying and melodramatic (especially lyrically) but that's kinda the appeal for me, along with the instrumental arrangement. Lyrically it's not a positive album by any means but it feels like that's kinda the point. 

 

Yeah I meant that indicent. But I didn't find it hilarious. However after such kind of rant I feel there was more than what we see on the surface

You point out. It is not a GN'R album. It's an Axl album. I feel the same way about all members solo albums. So it's not just against Axl. Although I like the self title Slash album a lot more than CD. 

I like the epic ballads. But they are not my favorite part of the UYI albums.

[BlueJean Baby]

1 hour ago, Fansince88 said:

Based on those threads you'd have thought that day one of this tour was Rock in Rio and day two was Bridge School. WTF????  I'm with you though I don't have it in me to argue with strangers about rasp and whatever else. I'd much rather spend my time talking about  Axl/Erin/Steph, Slaxl, and how good Axl looks these days  and let @BlueJean Baby rant for us.  I think she is way tougher than me (and I mean that in a good way). 

 

 

If you only knew...a lot of times through the years on GNR forums I have had people think I was nuts for defending Axl so fiercely.  There is a complicated story behind all of it...but in a nutshell, he and GNR literally saved my life... so I owe them big time.  I would not be the strong person I am now, and would probably be dead, it I had not found their music and lyrics, which kicked me in the ass and made me stand up for myself and my son and get out of my horrid abusive marriage. Maybe sometime I will explain it all, but that's basically why I such a fighter/survivor now and finally restarting my life again...

[Rocketqueen76]

5 minutes ago, BlueJean Baby said:

If you only knew...a lot of times through the years on GNR forums I have had people think I was nuts for defending Axl so fiercely.  There is a complicated story behind all of it...but in a nutshell, he and GNR literally saved my life... so I owe them big time.  I would not be the strong person I am now, and would probably be dead, it I had not found their music and lyrics, which kicked me in the ass and made me stand up for myself and my son and get out of my horrid abusive marriage. Maybe sometime I will explain it all, but that's basically why I such a fighter/survivor now and finally restarting my life again...

I need to hand you one of my M4's and a set of ACU's....I will go on the battlefield with you anytime.

[MillionsOfSpiders]

31 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

Sorry for the shitty quality and the lack of rasp 

Andy14!! Where have you been?? 

[Nightrain92]

55 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

Sorry for the shitty quality and the lack of rasp 

Out if likes!! Love this gif!!

53 minutes ago, Padme said:

Axl never wishes happy b-day to anyone, not in social media. I don't rule out a phone call, text or email

He wished happy birthday to Bon Scott iirc! But yes maybe he texted or called him

[MillionsOfSpiders]

12 minutes ago, Nightrain92 said:

Out if likes!! Love this gif!!

He wished happy birthday to Bon Scott iirc! But yes maybe he texted or called him

Well he's never wished anyone who is alive a happy birthday on Twitter then..

Wonder what possessed him 

[Andy14]

39 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Andy14!! Where have you been?? 

I know, I know. I've been a horrible fan lately . I'm sure Axl misses my posts 

This gif is my apology that I won't be much around for another 2 weeks 

 

[Tori72]

2 hours ago, Padme said:

Nice? No I'm talking about an incident that took place at the begining of the 2010 tour.

 

59 minutes ago, Padme said:

Yeah I meant that indicent. But I didn't find it hilarious. However after such kind of rant I feel there was more than what we see on the surface

I digged into this part if the forum with all those threads in which Dexter/Axl commented. I have never found anything about the legendary Madison event. But the answers of Axl to his fans / forum users were somewhat nice. So probably we're not talking about the same thing here?

CD - ugh. Can't get myself to listen to it fully. I tried a couple of times. But as many of you said, it is too self-pitying and melodramatic. 

I neither like Slash's Solo Album or Velvet Revolver, because I don't like the singing voices of their singers. 

I'm really digging into Izzy's records at the moment and love them. And I love his voice, too.

And @BlueJean Baby I'm in awe of what you tell us about yourself. You are a warrior, girl. Without knowing you, my heart goes out to you.

[marlingrl03]

2 hours ago, Nightrain92 said:

Yes me too!! I started a "rant" ( said him to go check himself ) only against a guy that was saying that Izzy can't play guitar and his amp was turned down during UYI tour but this guy is in love with fortus and probably is a troll so... But for the most I don't start discussions cause I couldn't care less about what they say... I have my opinions I say what I want  and  besides I think we are enjoying this reunion much more than them

Yeah if one doesn't see the videos can think that this Japanese tour  is a total disaster reading those threads when it's not true at all!! 

I like  to talk about the guys, Slaxl above all  and Axl looks these days too!! Way more interesting than bitching about rasp or set list or CD...!

Axl didn't wish Steven Happy birthday on Twitter but GNR did! I really hope that Steven can answer some questions about GNR on Reddit to know his point of view and if he will show up in Europe!

 

I like both Izzy and Fortus so I stayed out of that one although I did post a pic of Fortus with the big 3 cause it was an awesome pic and he deserves some love sometimes lol. ?

And yeah the Reddit thing will be very interesting to say the least! I am glad that Steven got some love from Slash, Duff and GNR. That was sweet! 

 

[MillionsOfSpiders]

1 hour ago, Andy14 said:

I know, I know. I've been a horrible fan lately . I'm sure Axl misses my posts 

This gif is my apology that I won't be much around for another 2 weeks 

 

He's waiting..

Missed you on this thread  stupid real life!! 

And @Lumikki too 

Edited January 24, 2017 by MillionsOfSpiders

[Padme]

1 hour ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

 

Wonder what possessed him 

Bon Scott, maybe? 

[Frey]

I've never noticed Axl moaning in RQ and I'm thankful for that, but I will no doubt hear it now next time I listen to RQ 

[Blackstar]

On 23/01/2017 at 9:45 PM, Frey said:

No, he didn't say airport, he said air force museum, so them not travelling probably doesn't matter.

Here's what Axl said according to Zutuat:

(I'll put in under a spoiler tag because this stuff is pretty disturbing):

  Reveal hidden contents

"I know I've said no... but I wanna do this Rolling Stone interview and expose my stepfather for the monster he is and was. You know, he used to take me to an airforce museum and rape me in the toilets there. In the toilet stalls. You know, my mom wouldn't believe me and I used to get beaten for making up lies. I wanna use Rolling Stone because they've been bugging me to do this interview for so long, but I don't want them to put a white-wash on the story, I want it to come out as ugly and harsh as it is," because it was happening to his sister as well and he said "If even one kid reads this interview and it spares them this pain, I wanna help them."

 

There are a couple of things that get me about what Zutaut said in that documentary:

1) This would be a really, really sick thing to make up and lie about (and it's still pretty fucked up for him to just chat about this in a shitty documentary).

2) He's clearly not just confusing his stepfather with his biological father and that whole incident, because Zutaut's telling a completely different story than the one Axl told about his biological father (which was a horrible situation that happened once when Axl was a baby). Yet Zutaut talks about something that happened multiple times ("used to...") and Axl was clearly not a baby anymore if he was able to tell his mom.

3) The details in Zutaut's story. If he were to hypothetically lie and just make up a sick story like that for some fucked up reason, it's unlikely he would come up with specific little details like "air force museum". That's not really something that would just pop into your head if you you were making something up usually.

4) The "My mom wouldn't believe me and I used to get beaten for making up 'lies'" bit. His mom was perfectly aware of her husband beating her children according to Axl, so what was it that she wouldn't believe? If she knew about the physical abuse (and even participated in it, judging by the things Axl has said), then there's not much left that could be disturbing enough for her to react with denial. Not to mention the fact that mothers refusing to believe their children and choosing their husbands/partners over them is something that happens pretty frequently.

5) Zutaut saying it was "happening to his sister as well". We know that Axl's stepdad was sexually abusing his sister, so Zutaut's not wrong about that and seems to know the basic facts at least.

I'm really not sure what to think. It goes against everything we know and Axl has never said anything like that himself. But looking at it this way, I can't rule it out completely. I've been kind of baffled and disturbed by this ever since I watched that BBC documentary and now that I've thought it through I see why.

Thanks for posting Tom Zutaut's story, although it's horrible. We'd discussed it here before, but I didn't remember it very well apart from the core of it. Now that I read what exactly Zutaut said, I agree that it seems too specific and detailed to be made up.

On 23/01/2017 at 9:45 PM, Frey said:

But I don't necessarily agree that Axl naively saying "my daddy is my best friend now" can be counted as concrete proof of his stepfather not abusing him in that way. I came across cases of rape/sexual abuse victims forgiving/trying to forgive their abusers (or even deluding themselves into thinking they could be a happy family or have a healthy relationship again) more than a couple of times during the course of a former job I had. I will never forget the young woman who basically told me things are fine between her and her father now, because her father was just going through a difficult time when the assaults happened and he promised her he would never do that again I'll fully admit my perception is probably a bit coloured by these experiences, but yeah, Axl's short-lived attempt at building a relationship with his stepfather again doesn't necessarily indicate all that much to me.

Yes, I guess it's not impossible that Axl's behavior during that period was driven from this sort of 'defense mechanism' (considering that, even if it wasn't about himself, he knew about his sister).

On 23/01/2017 at 9:45 PM, Frey said:

About that audio interview... I think it's been posted once before in this thread, but it rarely gets brought up, so thanks for posting it again. It's an interesting interview.

When I came across the interview I was surprised that it wasn't already posted in this thread (which is like a GnR archive and encyclopedia), but it turns out it had somehow just slipped my attention when it was posted.

19 hours ago, Ubukitty said:

Man, this is breaking my heart. I hope if Axl does troll the site he doesn't see this. I mean I wouldn't want him to relive it again and I'm not sure if he's even sure about exactly what happened and by whom, or someone has the story wrong. I know he said he never wanted to talk about it again after the interview was done. Wishing I could just hug him right now.

12 hours ago, Tori72 said:

I feel you. It is so heartbreaking. However "it" happend and where and why and by who is really only his business and of the one's he decides to share it with. It is such a devastating and sad thing. It's beyond words, really.

I understand the urge to question whether Zutaut is reliable and credible, though. I mean, I don't wanna tell anyone of only because they made their thoughts public here. That's fine. That's what we're here for. But some things are too heartbreaking for me. At least right now.

Let's hope that he also hasn't been informed about the BBC documentary, Mick Wall's book and what Doug Goldstein said, and so on. And if we go back, the 1999-2000 Spin and RS articles contained personal stuff that Axl hadn't shared. Most of the information and speculation about the so called "dark years", other things like the new age stuff etc and the relevant discussion (including this thread) rely on those articles, particularly the RS one, but it must have been very hurtful for Axl to see himself being exposed and analyzed by anonymous "friends" in the media.

On the other hand, these stories, although personal and not meant by Axl to become public (they did though) give some insight on why he acted one or another way and not simply because he's been a "bad person", a "dick" etc. Some of this stuff is indeed very sensitive and disturbing (you're both right about it and I see what you're saying), but I prefer not to overlook it like other people do, some of them not because they respect Axl's privacy, but because they like the "he's just a dick" explanation more.

Either way, hopefully the members of the band and people around it don't lurk in this forum.

[Rocketqueen76]

29 minutes ago, Frey said:

I've never noticed Axl moaning in RQ and I'm thankful for that, but I will no doubt hear it now next time I listen to RQ 

I'm sorry @Frey.....I didn't mean to freak you out 

[Lumikki]

On 23.1.2017 at 8:45 PM, Frey said:

On 22.1.2017 at 10:45 PM, Blackstar said:

As for what Tom Zutaut said, I doubt it has anything to do. The story itself is incompatible with Axl's behavior for a period, when he thought that he could reconcile with his stepfather and be best friends with him; it's explicable if he was trying to find excuses for his stepdad for beating him and being oppressive (that he was doing it for Axl's own good etc), but not for sexually abusing him. There's the possibility of another buried memory, but then he couldn't have talked to Slash about it. There is also something else in the story that seems strange: the place where it supposedly happened (Zutaut said it was in the airport toilets, didn't he?). As far as it's known, Axl's family didn't travel outside Indiana; I think his stepfather was from somewhere else (Ohio?), but it doesn't seem that they went there to visit relatives or relatives were visiting them.

Anyway, regardless of what story Axl had told Slash and how long Slash knew, and even of whether the story was true, what matters is that Axl believed it and he was very sensitive about it, so Slash should have it in mind when he decided to play with MJ.

No, he didn't say airport, he said air force museum, so them not travelling probably doesn't matter.

Here's what Axl said according to Zutuat:

(I'll put in under a spoiler tag because this stuff is pretty disturbing):

  Reveal hidden contents

"I know I've said no... but I wanna do this Rolling Stone interview and expose my stepfather for the monster he is and was. You know, he used to take me to an airforce museum and rape me in the toilets there. In the toilet stalls. You know, my mom wouldn't believe me and I used to get beaten for making up lies. I wanna use Rolling Stone because they've been bugging me to do this interview for so long, but I don't want them to put a white-wash on the story, I want it to come out as ugly and harsh as it is," because it was happening to his sister as well and he said "If even one kid reads this interview and it spares them this pain, I wanna help them."

 

There are a couple of things that get me about what Zutaut said in that documentary:

 

1) This would be a really, really sick thing to make up and lie about (and it's still pretty fucked up for him to just chat about this in a shitty documentary).

2) He's clearly not just confusing his stepfather with his biological father and that whole incident, because Zutaut's telling a completely different story than the one Axl told about his biological father (which was a horrible situation that happened once when Axl was a baby). Yet Zutaut talks about something that happened multiple times ("used to...") and Axl was clearly not a baby anymore if he was able to tell his mom.

3) The details in Zutaut's story. If he were to hypothetically lie and just make up a sick story like that for some fucked up reason, it's unlikely he would come up with specific little details like "air force museum". That's not really something that would just pop into your head if you you were making something up usually.

4) The "My mom wouldn't believe me and I used to get beaten for making up 'lies'" bit. His mom was perfectly aware of her husband beating her children according to Axl, so what was it that she wouldn't believe? If she knew about the physical abuse (and even participated in it, judging by the things Axl has said), then there's not much left that could be disturbing enough for her to react with denial. Not to mention the fact that mothers refusing to believe their children and choosing their husbands/partners over them is something that happens pretty frequently.

5) Zutaut saying it was "happening to his sister as well". We know that Axl's stepdad was sexually abusing his sister, so Zutaut's not wrong about that and seems to know the basic facts at least.

I'm really not sure what to think. It goes against everything we know and Axl has never said anything like that himself. But looking at it this way, I can't rule it out completely. I've been kind of baffled and disturbed by this ever since I watched that BBC documentary and now that I've thought it through I see why.

About that audio interview... I think it's been posted once before in this thread, but it rarely gets brought up, so thanks for posting it again. It's an interesting interview. But I don't necessarily agree that Axl naively saying "my daddy is my best friend now" can be counted as concrete proof of his stepfather not abusing him in that way. I came across cases of rape/sexual abuse victims forgiving/trying to forgive their abusers (or even deluding themselves into thinking they could be a happy family or have a healthy relationship again) more than a couple of times during the course of a former job I had. I will never forget the young woman who basically told me things are fine between her and her father now, because her father was just going through a difficult time when the assaults happened and he promised her he would never do that again I'll fully admit my perception is probably a bit coloured by these experiences, but yeah, Axl's short-lived attempt at building a relationship with his stepfather again doesn't necessarily indicate all that much to me. 

You know these points are very true and I've had similar thoughts ever since I saw that disturbing documentary.

On the other hand, Zutaut does seem to have a "fondness" for telling shocking/scandalous stories, as we've noted before in this thread so I don't completely trust him as a source.

The only other thing I can think of that supports his claims is Beta saying Axl was sexually abused by his stepfather in one of these weird interviews she gave in the early 2000s. But these interviews are a highly questionable source as well, horrible translations and some people even doubt they're real. And while you'd think Beta (of all people) would know something like this, she does come across as kind of confused and struggling with language barriers a lot of the time in her posts and messages, so who knows.

Assuming Zutaut's claims are true, I can understand why Axl didn't go public with that particular part of his past though. Emotionally speaking, there's a difference (at least to me, if I try to put myself in Axl's place) between something that happened when you were a baby and that you don't even really have conscious memories of, compared to something that happened to you much more recently, and which you have tons of traumatic, relatively fresh and raw memories of. I'd have a lot of trouble talking about the latter too, while I could see myself talking about something that happened when I was a small child much more easily.

It's interesting though that Axl apparently changed his mind about what he was going to tell Rolling Stone. Assuming Zutaut's claims are true again, it sounds like he wanted to go public with something more along the lines of Zutaut's story, but we got a different, slightly less horrifying version in the 1992 interview.

 

On 23.1.2017 at 9:22 PM, giuls said:

I read what @Blackstar wrote about the audio interview she posted, i was kinda surprised about the "he has to look after Slash" part, i must have missed it before because i've always read about Axl's admiration and love for Slash but this protectiveness come kinda as a surprise to me? I don't know, it  made me sad too, it reminded me that Slash's addiction must have taken a toll on Axl but i find it interesting how he only talks about Slash, in Axl's mind Duff didn't need him to keep an eye on him?

We joked how when Axl wanted to buy the famous house with Slash, Slash chickened out because he didn't want Axl to nag him, i guess we were right 

That "look after Slash" part made me smile. I've always thought that Slash's drug use was a giant source of worry and anxiety for Axl (his reactions to it were a bit shitty at times, but his actions always seemed to mostly stem from a place of desperation and fear for Slash's life).

As for Duff, as someone has said, his drinking wasn't that bad yet during that time and Axl probably didn't perceive Duff drinking alcohol to be as dangerous or threatening as Slash's heroin habit, like most people.

You know, I think the house thing might have been in part at least an attempt by Axl to have some control over Slash and his drug use. To "look after Slash",as he puts it, in the most effective manner he could think of. But yeah, Slash wasn't having it.

 

 

 

Edited January 24, 2017 by Lumikki

[Lumikki]

On a less serious note...

3 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Wonder what possessed him 

I see what you did there

2 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

And @Lumikki too 

Aww, thank you

On 23.1.2017 at 8:40 PM, Archtop said:

I wonder what they think about each other and the men they have grown into. Slash and Duff seem to have remained friends over the years so perhaps they see it less clearly, but Axl and Slash with such a gap must have made observations about each other. 

Regardless of the insults, accusations blah, blah blah these two have been through, sitting down having dinner, the first few times spending sometime together I wonder what was going off in there heads, what  impressions did they form of each other.

The early bonds and history between them all are perhaps enough to carry a friendship but as adults meeting for the first time, do you suppose they would like each other?

I'm probably not explaining  myself very well, It's like when you into a rekindle a friendship with a person you lost contact with for many years, are they  the person you thought they would be or has life changed them. It happened to me a couple of months back an old college friend who has moved back into the area after divorce, she has changed completely (or maybe it's me) very odd experience.

No, I totally get what you mean. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall during that first dinner at Axl's house.

I wonder if Slash was impressed by seeing how mature and stable (well, sort of at least) Axl has become or if he felt weirded out by the way Axl lives or if he maybe even felt pity for him. And I wonder if spending some time again with Slash helped Axl see that Slash still has his soul and isn't cancer or the devil himself either. Or if he was just really glad and happy to finally have Slash around him again, because no one can tell me Axl didn't miss him or long for their good times in the past (hell, Axl is a guy who very much seems to live in the past anyway and he could never stop talking about Slash either all these years).

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Anyway, there was some talk about "low pants pictures". This is my favorite low, or more accurately, no pants picture of Axl. I love the expression on his face.

 

 

 

[BlueJean Baby]

He looks like he is thinking...guess what I've been doing....

[Rocketqueen76]

2 minutes ago, BlueJean Baby said:

He looks like he is thinking...guess what I've been doing....

Am I bad For saying I wish it was me?