RONIN Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 For 25 years fans and critics have been bitching to stop overproducing albums, dump the keyboard players, background singers, bongo players, etc. We know Axl cares what his critics think and I'm sure he took it hard that his magnum opus UYI albums that he obsessed over were quickly eclipsed by Metallica and the grunge bands. And yet in 2008, we got an even more bloated album with Chinese Democracy -- and now, a tour with a raver/synth person and Dizzy on bongos again. Does he just not give a fuck? I don't intend this as criticism (UYI 2 is my favorite Guns album), but you'd think he would atleast take 25 years worth of criticism and tone down the bloat in the songs, stage shows and even the clownish costume changes. I don't think the shows would miss a beat if he retired the piano playing from November Rain. Just have Dizzy handle the piano and focus on singing the song. It would atleast give that song some much needed energy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 So what I'm getting from this is, they should ditch Melissa Reese...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 I'm hoping his little tour with ACDC shows him how awesome a stripped down tour, band and songs can be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Trevor Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 look at it this way, AC/DC can be his stripped down rock n roll band, and GnR can be his epic rock band where creavity flows. .... in theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Glow Inc. Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 He ditched one guitarist, ain't that a step in the right direction ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estranged_85 Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 who cares if he do a couple of costume changes ffs? It´s not like the whole show gets ruined because of a new jacket or hat lol. ACDC have their bell and canons and all that shit so i don´t know if that can be called strip down show.. BUT, i agree on the album part. CD would IMO be much better if it were stripped down a little.. 10 hours ago, RONIN said: I don't think the shows would miss a beat if he retired the piano playing from November Rain Are you serious?! correct me if i´m wrong.. do you want Axl do ditch the piano in November Rain or do you want Dizzy as the only piano player on that song? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underhardy Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 9 hours ago, killuridols said: Should get rid of all elements that cause the bloat: beers, burgers, Melissa Reese, jewelry, awful shirts tied to waist, pole dancers, das boot, multiple layers in songs, hats, bandanas, 13 years of album production and the list gets more bloated... Flannels tied around the waist and bandanas are two of axls trademark fashion styles.. How could you complain about Axl rose wearing a bandana! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 He's too old and bloated to wear what he used to in the 80's- 90's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 On 5-6-2016 at 7:27 AM, killuridols said: Should get rid of all elements that cause the bloat: Melissa Reese, pole dancers, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted June 9, 2016 Author Share Posted June 9, 2016 On 6/5/2016 at 7:44 AM, estranged_85 said: who cares if he do a couple of costume changes ffs? It´s not like the whole show gets ruined because of a new jacket or hat lol. ACDC have their bell and canons and all that shit so i don´t know if that can be called strip down show.. BUT, i agree on the album part. CD would IMO be much better if it were stripped down a little.. Are you serious?! correct me if i´m wrong.. do you want Axl do ditch the piano in November Rain or do you want Dizzy as the only piano player on that song? Yes, I'm serious -- the shows wouldn't miss a beat if Axl stopped playing piano. Do we really need a 15 minute piano solo before November Rain? Just sing the song with Dizzy playing keyboard -- it would rock harder. Just my opinion though -- I never really warmed to seeing a giant grand piano on stage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturginho Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 On 6/5/2016 at 6:06 AM, Apollo said: I'm hoping his little tour with ACDC shows him how awesome a stripped down tour, band and songs can be. Because AC/DC shows are stripped down, intimate affairs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 On 6/5/2016 at 1:29 AM, RONIN said: For 25 years fans and critics have been bitching to stop overproducing albums, dump the keyboard players, background singers, bongo players, etc. We know Axl cares what his critics think and I'm sure he took it hard that his magnum opus UYI albums that he obsessed over were quickly eclipsed by Metallica and the grunge bands. i am not sure that axl cares about critics and fans (in the sense of doing what critics and fans want him to do) he apparently cares a lot about how he is perceived by fans and critics (on the 80s and 90s he ranted quite a lot about getting mad after reading reviews etc) and apparently axl doesnt really want to play appetite stuff but hes been playing it for 20 years to please the fans (and his bank account) but when it comes to writing and recordings and releasing music, it looks more like axl does what he wants and couldnt care less about sales and popularity he would never have released chinese democracy if he wanted to be popular, right? === one thing i am sure of is that no grunge band eclipsed GNR (much less metallica) unless you consider "eclipsing" as in "eclipsing in terms of sales" or "eclipsing in terms of popularity" no grunge band (except alice in chains) ever came close to eclipse GNR in terms of music even the illusion albums you have a lot of filler on those but you just take one song you could be mine no grunge band (and much less metallica) will ever eclipse that song because they cant write a song this good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) 32 minutes ago, RONIN said: Yes, I'm serious -- the shows wouldn't miss a beat if Axl stopped playing piano. Do we really need a 15 minute piano solo before November Rain? Just sing the song with Dizzy playing keyboard -- it would rock harder. Just my opinion though -- I never really warmed to seeing a giant grand piano on stage. i agree with you that less is more but this live performance of november rain with izzy and duff singing backing vocals and no roberta, no tracy and no circus onstage well thats raw and rocking enough to me! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpkZP8f8x4I On 6/5/2016 at 10:19 AM, The Glow Inc. said: He ditched one guitarist, ain't that a step in the right direction ? one down, frank, richard, melissa and dizzy to go Edited June 9, 2016 by ludurigan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kira Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I don't believe Axl views it that way. I think he values a production element, let's put it that way. The guy's a fan of Liberace for God's sake! It's almost like he's putting on a broadway show, but within a rock n' roll band with complete sincerity. I don't fault him for that, it makes him who he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babooshka Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Yeah, he basically has flamboyant taste. It was probably less jarring in the past because you can get away with a lot when you're young and skinny. Plus Izzy, Slash and Duff probably reigned him in, like when they vetoed Dizzy's inclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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