Tadsy Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 36 minutes ago, Billsfan said: Anything is possible with this band. This band doesn't need two keyboard players but they have that too incase you're unaware... This. I am still working out what Melissa actually does... but thats another argument. As for Steven, if he came in.. played 3 or 4 songs at the start of the set... say Jungle, Its so easy, civil war and YCBM... then let Frank do the middle stuff.. you could have him come back out for the encore.. Patience, RQ and Paradise... thats a 3rd of the show.. and everyones happy.. its not that bigger stretch to believe that is feasible.. hell its not even that big of a stretch to suggest maybe Steven learnt a few more songs off UYI over the years if he wanted to do them.. hes not as incapable as people make out. anyway.. round in circles we go.. just have to wait and see i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallglimmer Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 3 hours ago, Modano09 said: He probably sits around playing Paradise City all day anyway. sadly it wouldn't shock me if he really did spend the better part of his day playing along to AFD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalGunner Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Billsfan said: Anything is possible with this band. This band doesn't need two keyboard players but they have that too incase you're unaware... Yea, obviously they have 2 keyboard players so I'm not sure why you say it like that. 2 keyboard players on the stage at the same time. been that way for a long long time. Doesn't change the fact that having more than one drummer doesn't make sense for many reasons, and its not how things work. 2 hours ago, Tadsy said: This. I am still working out what Melissa actually does... but thats another argument. As for Steven, if he came in.. played 3 or 4 songs at the start of the set... say Jungle, Its so easy, civil war and YCBM... then let Frank do the middle stuff.. you could have him come back out for the encore.. Patience, RQ and Paradise... thats a 3rd of the show.. and everyones happy.. its not that bigger stretch to believe that is feasible.. hell its not even that big of a stretch to suggest maybe Steven learnt a few more songs off UYI over the years if he wanted to do them.. hes not as incapable as people make out. anyway.. round in circles we go.. just have to wait and see i guess. If you had Steven in the band, why would you need Frank? I don't get this fixation on having multiple drummers in the band. Whether its Frank, Steven, or someone else.. there is only a need for one drummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 (edited) 42 minutes ago, CardinalGunner said: Yea, obviously they have 2 keyboard players so I'm not sure why you say it like that. 2 keyboard players on the stage at the same time. been that way for a long long time. Doesn't change the fact that having more than one drummer doesn't make sense for many reasons, and its not how things work. If you had Steven in the band, why would you need Frank? I don't get this fixation on having multiple drummers in the band. Whether its Frank, Steven, or someone else.. there is only a need for one drummer. I said it that way because it was the way it needed to be said. You have multiple drummers because not all drummers were a part of all eras of GNR. How can you convince Adler to play Chinese democracy and better? Hey even slither.. Ideally you have the people the wrote and recorded their parts play them. Having more than one drummer makes sense here, like it or not. Adler and Frank have similar kits. Frank screws up the appetite material the most, which was adlers to begin with. And Adler has wanted this more than anyone else in the band. He's also been sober for 2 years. Adler was the original drummer and set the tone. He's the most qualified when he's on his game. It makes sense, and it's not a big deal to include him. I don't care how things work, this is guns n roses. They've never done things how they're supposed to work, especially with this tour. My 2 keyboards point proved that Edited June 22, 2016 by Billsfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tadsy Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 1 hour ago, CardinalGunner said: Yea, obviously they have 2 keyboard players so I'm not sure why you say it like that. 2 keyboard players on the stage at the same time. been that way for a long long time. Doesn't change the fact that having more than one drummer doesn't make sense for many reasons, and its not how things work. If you had Steven in the band, why would you need Frank? I don't get this fixation on having multiple drummers in the band. Whether its Frank, Steven, or someone else.. there is only a need for one drummer. im not fixated on anything... but if you think that this whole tour and future tours are going to be devoid of any talk about Adler having some sort of input to the shows, then your wrong. I think the situation is always going to be up for discussion until its clarified properly by the people involved (which wont happen)... it could all be put to bed easily.. but thats not how Axl operates.. so as i said.. around in circles we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slosh13 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Funny if Adler also drums at the quicker tempo. Looks like he will be playing tonight...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
©GnrPersia Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Seriously I can not still imagine why you people are excited about this guy... HE did only AFD and those first demos and roughly was in the band for about 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, ©GnrPersia said: Seriously I can not still imagine why you people are excited about this guy... HE did only AFD and those first demos and roughly was in the band for about 3 years. Not only Appetite. Lies and Civil War and all the live shows he was a part of. Besides, even if it was only AFD, it would still be enough. Every good drummer is unique. Only Steven plays like that. It might be basic stuff technically, but his feel is one of a kind and he clearly still got it. I guess people are still excited about this guy cause this guy was an important element of the classic Guns sound. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
©GnrPersia Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) yeah but personally I like progression. AFD is the best album in the world and I agree. but we gotta move forward. problem with Steven is he's living in the past. he's not creative no more. My favourite drummer of GN'R was Josh Freese and Axl ruined the opportunity of using his creativity like what he did with UYI era band and 2002 lineup... but that's a diff topic. Edited June 23, 2016 by ©GnrPersia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 34 minutes ago, ©GnrPersia said: yeah but personally I like progression. AFD is the best album in the world and I agree. but we gotta move forward. problem with Steven is he's living in the past. he's not creative no more. My favourite drummer of GN'R was Josh Freese and Axl ruined the opportunity of using his creativity like what he did with UYI era band and 2002 lineup... but that's a diff topic. I think perhaps most fans who want Steven to be a part of Guns just want it to happen in some capacity live. To just join in the fun on the older material for a few songs or a show. It doesn't mean they can't "move forward" with Frank. It's not like Frank is going anywhere. Personally I just want to hear them play together with Steven and he deserves to play. What's the harm really? Robin played with Axl in 2012, so why not Steven? nobody expects him to bring something new. I just want him to bring his old drumming flavor to the table which is what I suspect most want anyway. I don't have a real issue with Frank, but the Rn'R Hall Of Fame performance speaks for itself. Axl entertained the idea of having 2 drummers live at one point and he had 2 drummers on Chinese. I think it's gonna happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunder120 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 It wasn't too long ago we were told Steven was part of the reunion but injured his back. Was that all a lie? And was he or wasn't he at the Troubadour show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modano09 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Rovim said: I think perhaps most fans who want Steven to be a part of Guns just want it to happen in some capacity live. To just join in the fun on the older material for a few songs or a show. It doesn't mean they can't "move forward" with Frank. It's not like Frank is going anywhere. Personally I just want to hear them play together with Steven and he deserves to play. What's the harm really? Robin played with Axl in 2012, so why not Steven? nobody expects him to bring something new. I just want him to bring his old drumming flavor to the table which is what I suspect most want anyway. I don't have a real issue with Frank, but the Rn'R Hall Of Fame performance speaks for itself. Axl entertained the idea of having 2 drummers live at one point and he had 2 drummers on Chinese. I think it's gonna happen. There's just part of me that doesn't think he deserves it and don't want to see him rewarded for his 25 years of whining and finger pointing. I can tolerate him playing on a couple of songs as a guest but him being the full-time drummer would be stupid on a number of levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, Modano09 said: There's just part of me that doesn't think he deserves it and don't want to see him rewarded for his 25 years of whining and finger pointing. I can tolerate him playing on a couple of songs as a guest but him being the full-time drummer would be stupid on a number of levels. I highly doubt Steven is ever going to be the full time drummer for Guns again. He got fired from the band when they were huge and I don't think they did everything they could to help him get his shit together to be honest. Of course he deserves it. If Axl ever manages to release another Guns album, I'd say he deserves to be a part of that as well. The band could benefit greatly from his playing style on one or two songs. Ideally, I'd want one really hard rocking tune with him and maybe a ballad too. His silence could mean live it's very likely he'll get to play with Guns again which makes me feel optimistic. It's not needed, but it will just make it more fun. His excitement could fuel a great performance. I don't think he's gonna fuck it up. Too important. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asdiz Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 i find it fascinating that he would show up to 2 consecutive shows and then disappear. i was hoping his presence would increase not go away. 4 songs over 2 shows is not enough. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlashMartin Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) Maybe his back isn't fully healed yet, maybe thats why hes only playing a couple of songs at a time. Or hes coming back with the band full time next year. Edited July 27, 2016 by SlashMartin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, Asdiz said: i find it fascinating that he would show up to 2 consecutive shows and then disappear. i was hoping his presence would increase not go away. 4 songs over 2 shows is not enough. Agreed. That first performance of Out Ta Get Me with him may have been my favorite performance of the tour.. It sounded incredible. And seeing 4 of the 5 originals up there was amazing. I was praying for him to be in Foxboro but wasn't counting on it due to him not being at the few shows prior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlashMartin Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) On 6/23/2016 at 5:55 PM, ©GnrPersia said: Seriously I can not still imagine why you people are excited about this guy... HE did only AFD and those first demos and roughly was in the band for about 3 years. 5 years. and AFD is Guns N' Roses most important album. Edited July 27, 2016 by SlashMartin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmartin9928 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Steven will be back for 3 more shows starting with Atlanta (I think)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby845 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 hopefully we see more of steven 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom-Ass Posted July 27, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2016 On 6/23/2016 at 0:55 PM, ©GnrPersia said: Seriously I can not still imagine why you people are excited about this guy... HE did only AFD and those first demos and roughly was in the band for about 3 years. He was also on LIES and Civil War... Was also involved in the creation of many Illusions songs. Welcome To The Jungle It's So Easy Nightrain Out Ta Get Me Brownstone Paradise City My Michelle Think About You Sweet Child O Mine You're Crazy Anything Goes Rocket Queen Shadow Of Your Love Reckless Life Nice Boys Move To The City Mama Kin Patience Used To Love Her You're Crazy One In A Million Civil War Not too shabby looking list of studio recording right there 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Albertr212 Posted July 27, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2016 On June 23, 2016 at 0:55 PM, ©GnrPersia said: Seriously I can not still imagine why you people are excited about this guy... HE did only AFD and those first demos and roughly was in the band for about 3 years. As if ONLY Appetite wouldn't be enough anyway...... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnrcane Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Kmartin9928 said: Steven will be back for 3 more shows starting with Atlanta (I think)... Consecutive shows or 3 random shows from now until the end of the US tour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmartin9928 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 All I told was Steven will be back for 3 more shows and I thought he told me the first one being in Atlanta.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnrcane Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 8 minutes ago, Kmartin9928 said: All I told was Steven will be back for 3 more shows and I thought he told me the first one being in Atlanta.. Thanks. Keeping fingers crossed for Orlando. Maybe Izzy will happen to be at Disney World and take a 25 minute ride up I-4 also! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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