Popular Post ludurigan Posted June 17, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2016 Do you think if a reunited Guns N’ Roses put out a new album of original material now, it would go platinum? No. No. Because it’s very hard to tell superstars that their songs aren’t good enough, which is the main problem with most of these records, and there are only pussified people in the music business who will not tell ... you know, either they’re afraid for their salaries, their reputations, being disliked by the artists, there are many reasons why they won’t tell the artist the truth. It’s a very hard thing to do. And I would never win any popular artists from all the artists that I made famous, believe me. this is John Kalodner a few days ago at the LA Times (full interview here = http://www.laweekly.com/music/aandr-legend-john-kalodner-talks-aerosmith-and-why-rock-wont-reach-the-masses-again-7018668) its s strong argument about how YES MEN can be damaging to an artist The way I see it, this argument explains a bit why Chinese Democracy sounds like... Chinese Democracy [those who lurk on GNR forums long enough must remember the story of that one producer (cant remember his name) that "dared" to tell axl that his chinese democracy songs were not that good and how he was "informed" on the very next day that he was no longer involved with the album] The way I see it, this argument also explains why GNR will probably not sound great again with hired hands (a.k.a. yesmen) like frank, richard and melissa onboard on the other hand, its no secret that izzy can be really helpful exactly where these yesmen are useless... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) I think Bob Ezrin was the producer who told Axl that the record wasn't ready to mix yet cause only 3 songs were good, and then he never heard from the Axl camp again. Edited November 27, 2016 by rocknroll41 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 1 hour ago, rocknroll41 said: I think Bon Ezrin was the prosucer who told Axl that the record wasn't ready to mix yet cause only 3 songs were good, and then he never heard from the Axl camp again. yeah i guess it was bob ezrin the story is here = http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/202369-bob-ezrins-bizarro-world/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpoop Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 He's not wrong but his idea of good enough is anything that gets on the radio, any dreck at all that is successful. He'd have them recording some Diane Warren bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) Why do superstars need someone to tell them their songs are not good enough? are they not capable of recognizing when it's good enough? isn't that ability is one of the reasons why they became superstars in the first place? or managed to release a good second album. So silly. I imagine superstars have friends as well. Bob Ezrin types that will tell you how they truly feel and even if you don't have an objective opinion on your shit, it's still possible to come up with a good idea and recognize that it's good. Edited June 17, 2016 by Rovim 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Asia Posted June 17, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2016 What makes these assholes think they know better than the artists what the audiences will like? If this was true there would never be bands like GN'R in the first place. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nosaj Thing Posted June 17, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2016 Nope, not going to read that shit. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Who 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpoop Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 18 minutes ago, Billsfan said: Who They guy who turned Aerosmith into power-ballad merchants. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Kalodner's bitter that Zutaut got to sign GNR. Aerosmith had a great run and he believed in them, but their second wind ended at Get a Grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I think there are plenty of producers out there that are happy to say "that's crap, play more stuff like track #2". It's a tough call as to whether or not GnR will release a great album with the current line up, they certainly have enough talent to do so and there's a proven ability to write good/great songs among them. If GnR hire a yes man producer they won't get a great record, if GnR self produce the record they won't get a great record. They need a hard ass... and I'm not sure how well that would go over with them... maybe they'd each enjoy being pushed. But I'd guess that even current happy, laid back Axl would fire anyone who called one of his songs shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Well he could be right...or he could be wrong haha it's just this guys opinion. It won't be easy to write a great album with a few hits that will resonate with the public. I think the odds that the next album is great is quite low...just too many expectations. But from a talent stand point Axl and Slash are more than capable and I look forward to see what they bring to the table. Unlike most artist that wrote music with professional writers, Axl and Slash will make it their way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Kalodner told record execs who they should sign to the label and maybe got some credits for touching a fader or lining up studio time as an executive producer or mixer (Steven and Joe also had a hand in producing and mixing some of the albums but wouldn't get credit until they worked from home studios), Fairbairn produced 80s Aerosmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top-Hatted One Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) VR = Hit SMKC = Hit I don't see how SLash & duff teaming up with Axl again won't produce more hit records. Those guys are capable of starting a record in the beginning of the year and touring it by the end of the year. The only question is will Axl keep it from getting out and force SLash to go back to SMKC. Of course CD taking forever to be released wasn't all Axl's fault but even UYI took longer than it should Edited June 17, 2016 by Top-Hatted One 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weaponsnflowers Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I wish they would just release a record already so we wouldn't have to read this crappy speculation. And it's hard to see how Axl and the gang could produce shitty album, since they are all experienced musicians. I don't see how it couldn't be a great record in my opinion anyway. To some other, like this asshole, it might not be a great record. But once again it's not some universal truth of the matter. Fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I love how these idiots are all future tellers.... How does he know the songs suck? Did the album leak already and I'm not informed about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicrawker Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I think Kalodnar has a valid point.........Artists seem to be the last people to be subjective of their own work. There are plenty of cases where a band wanted to leave off a song which ended up being the hit of the album but were convinced by the producer o include it.......... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Archer Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Yawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofnazareth Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Kalodner probably couldn't even write a nursery rhyme and yet he wants to run his mouth without even hearing a note from GNR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprite Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 That just seems crazy to say a reunited Guns album wouldn't go platinum. At the risk of this old debate, didn't CD even go 2X-3X platinum? Yeah music has changed but there is still a huge fan base for older rock music. The media just doesn't represent it anymore because media represents youth which largely listens to pop music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Whos this dickhead? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 8 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said: Whos this dickhead? The guy that was responsible for the pussification of Aerosmith. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 14 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said: The guy that was responsible for the pussification of Aerosmith. Ah, I see. His views make total sense then at least lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadApples87 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 1. In today's music environment (free downloads youtube, etc) it will be hard for anyone to go multiplatinum like back in the day. 2. Slash and Duff have been making great albums for 20 years outside of GNR. So I don't think it will suck, BUT: 3. Without IZZY, it will be very difficult to have that classic GNR sound/vibe. It will sound a little different with a replacement drummer and rhythm guitarist. 4. John K. is correct about the music industry, why else does it suck balls for the most part these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadApples87 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 3 hours ago, sonofnazareth said: Kalodner probably couldn't even write a nursery rhyme and yet he wants to run his mouth without even hearing a note from GNR. True, he is probably best know for producing Aerosmith Pump and others. But Desmond Child co-wrote half of Aerosmith and Bon Jovi songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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