Slim1023 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 What about Axl working on the album's worth of material that Slash, Duff and Izzy wrote before VR was official? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom-Ass Posted June 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, Slim1023 said: What about Axl working on the album's worth of material that Slash, Duff and Izzy wrote before VR was official? Seriously! I have no desire to hear Slash and Duff's additions to CD era stuff. Maybe a song or two but most of what I have heard from that era sucked... I would much rather hear Axl work on the album Izzy, Slash, Duff and Matt recorded. I bet the songs are much more complete and are more likely to sound like GnFnR... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budd Dwyer Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 I just want new music and a good show 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpax Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Its pretty obvious that slash and Duff already used these ideas in their albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim1023 Posted June 22, 2016 Author Share Posted June 22, 2016 23 minutes ago, maxpax said: Its pretty obvious that slash and Duff already used these ideas in their albums Possibly. That's something I've always wondered. Izzy has no writing credits on Contraband so they probably didn't use any of his ideas. He played at Scott's wife's fashion show though. You Got No Right was part of the 2 song set, so maybe he had a hand in writing that. One of Slash, Duff or Matt said that the material they worked on with Izzy was the best GnR album since Appetite. Be interesting if that actually exists if it was something they could bring to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good, Fuck'n, Night. Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tom-Ass said: Seriously! I have no desire to hear Slash and Duff's additions to CD era stuff. Maybe a song or two but most of what I have heard from that era sucked... I would much rather hear Axl work on the album Izzy, Slash, Duff and Matt recorded. I bet the songs are much more complete and are more likely to sound like GnFnR... Couldn't have said it better myself Edited June 22, 2016 by Good, Fuck'n, Night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RussTCB Posted June 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2016 I'm down with new music no matter the origin. 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Yeah I mean anything new would be better as opposed to nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 1 hour ago, maxpax said: Its pretty obvious that slash and Duff already used these ideas in their albums I could be wrong but I thought at some point they had said that they haven't. That the album is in the vaults waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychoKiss344 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I just want new music, I'm good with anything 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 15 hours ago, Tom-Ass said: Seriously! I have no desire to hear Slash and Duff's additions to CD era stuff. Maybe a song or two but most of what I have heard from that era sucked... I would much rather hear Axl work on the album Izzy, Slash, Duff and Matt recorded. I bet the songs are much more complete and are more likely to sound like GnFnR... I think the point we are missing is "the songs". Axl wants to focus on melody and lyrics first. Those are the songs. The best songs are made like that. All the way back to AFD. So that comes first. But at the moment only Axl is really there to do that, the Izzy /Slash combo that was so great on AFD isn't there right now. The hits were written by Izzy and Axl. It's not enough to just have Slash and Duff playing, that's VR, not GNR for the most part, and even VR had Scott to pimp their ride. There are exceptions like Slither, Coma, Garden of Eden but they aren't close to being hits like Jungle, SCOM, Don't Cry, November Rain. Or even classics like Brownstone, Nightrain. To cut Axl's vocal melodies out in a band without Izzy is pretty suicidal. So I think CD vocal melodies and lyrics are a good place to start, they might have worked backwards on CD but if they are there now. Put it on blast. Slash didn't write all the riffs on AFD even, let alone melodies or lyrics, so what's the difference? i think though Slash and Duff are vital to record, even if it's just for selected pivotal songs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby845 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I expect the post-Libertad material intended for Corey Taylor.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 But how do they fit post Libetadaterial to Axl's melodies/lyrics? i see it more like the material they have that has lyrics and vocals can be reworked with Slash and Duff. Or they can work with Axl's new melodies/lyrics. Like Axl shows some rough demo to Slash and he works a riff around it, adds intro, solos etc. Doesn't seem like Axl wants to sing on Slash instrumentals for the most part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) On 6/22/2016 at 6:50 PM, Tom-Ass said: I could be wrong but I thought at some point they had said that they haven't. That the album is in the vaults waiting. Never heard that. I know they used a lot of the ideas on the first VR record. And I know there's a good few VR songs recorded that have never seen the light of day, BUT I really doubt Slash and Duff would be bringing in VR songs for discussion, because then they have to cut Matt and the Kush and Izzy a cheque... The material that I'd imagine we'll hear in the coming years (unspecified amount ) will be the hybrid most expect. If we got anything from Axls interview it's that he doesn't really view this as a reunion, and that it's more of a continuation with old members coming back on board. He even suggested that Slash may or may not work on the songs that might come on the next release (which would be a mistake!). Hybrid album whatever! I'd just like to hear new GnR music within the next year or year and a half. Edited June 23, 2016 by Tom2112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderram Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 On 6/23/2016 at 0:04 AM, wasted said: The hits were written by Izzy and Axl. Not entirely true. For one, who came up with the iconic riff and solos to SCOM? HINT: Not Axl or Izzy. They may have pushed Slash to help create and develop it, but that song doesn't exist at all w/o Slash and the lyrics/poem that Axl had written about Erin would likely still be in a sock drawer somewhere.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 15 minutes ago, thunderram said: Not entirely true. For one, who came up with the iconic riff and solos to SCOM? HINT: Not Axl or Izzy. They may have pushed Slash to help create and develop it, but that song doesn't exist at all w/o Slash and the lyrics/poem that Axl had written about Erin would likely still be in a sock drawer somewhere.... But the song is Izzy's chords. I sort of believe the melody/lyrics are what makes them hits. Whether it's done with Slash like DC or like Patience. Or Taylor Swift does it. But Slash places them in rock and metal where they can sell more. Than say in punk rock n roll where Izzy puts his songs and it disappears. Slash is more about style than songs. But still that is or was important for Jungle, Scom, PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ana_1991 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 It would be great to get new super rocker YCBM type single! I'm hoping for that kind of single! And since Slash and Duff are back, I think they know fans are expecting a real rocker song! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAMER Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 After these shows the guys should just go into the recording studio for a few months and come up with all new songs entirely. 10-12 for the new album. This would be a great reconnecting and bonding experience for the band, instead of rererecording songs that are like 15-20 years old now. Maybe release those songs as a bonus or something. If that material was great, I'm sure we would've heard it by now. Slash is probably more interested in that instead of rerecording parts first done Finck, then Buckethead, then Bumblefoot, then DJ Ashba. Those songs are probably a mess now with parts from 3 decades. Wipe the slate clean, record brand new gnr music. Bring in Izzy if he is willing, though the lyrics to that new song he released "walking down the street" aren't much to write home about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor_brownstone Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Scott Weiland wasn't a fan of the early material, and actually turned them down after they sent him their first demo tape. He only agreed to come in when they sent a tape several months later with songs that later made it onto Contraband. They're probably better off unreleased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default_ Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 12 minutes ago, doctor_brownstone said: Scott Weiland wasn't a fan of the early material, and actually turned them down after they sent him their first demo tape. He only agreed to come in when they sent a tape several months later with songs that later made it onto Contraband. They're probably better off unreleased. Scott Weiland was a alternative rock pussy. We need hillbilly rock n roll and not juvenille generic rock music like him and Dave Kushner wanted to do. Fuck contraband, I'd love to listen to that Bad Co. feel they were building at the time. Fuck Weiland and Kushner for turning rock n roll into juvnille pussy rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderram Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, wasted said: But the song is Izzy's chords. I sort of believe the melody/lyrics are what makes them hits. Well, I respectfully disagree. That riff is one of the most widely recognized in all of rock music. And it's played throughout the chorus. It is THE hook, along with that amazing solo and Axl's voice. Edited June 28, 2016 by thunderram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 1 hour ago, doctor_brownstone said: Scott Weiland wasn't a fan of the early material, and actually turned them down after they sent him their first demo tape. He only agreed to come in when they sent a tape several months later with songs that later made it onto Contraband. They're probably better off unreleased. He turned it down because he said it sounded too much like Guns N' Roses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 On 6/22/2016 at 10:28 AM, Tom-Ass said: Seriously! I have no desire to hear Slash and Duff's additions to CD era stuff. Maybe a song or two but most of what I have heard from that era sucked... I would much rather hear Axl work on the album Izzy, Slash, Duff and Matt recorded. I bet the songs are much more complete and are more likely to sound like GnFnR... yes, izzy irrevocably needs to be back in the picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 7 hours ago, double talkin jive mfkr said: yes, izzy irrevocably needs to be back in the picture That would be incredible but I think they could still write decent stuff without him. I am just not interested in hearing any more CD era crap.. I heard that the CD songs are better with Slash on them and I tried to give them a chance but you really can't polish a turd.. Better is just so bad.. I really can't see what anyone actually likes about it. Definitely one of the low lights of this reunion having to sit through that shit at $15 bucks a song. I don't even know how fired up I am about new music with Axl in general.. His vocals have been good enough for this tour to work but they aren't really that solid in all honestly. His voice was one of the many flaws on CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 2 hours ago, Tom-Ass said: That would be incredible but I think they could still write decent stuff without him. I am just not interested in hearing any more CD era crap.. I heard that the CD songs are better with Slash on them and I tried to give them a chance but you really can't polish a turd.. Better is just so bad.. I really can't see what anyone actually likes about it. Definitely one of the low lights of this reunion having to sit through that shit at $15 bucks a song. I don't even know how fired up I am about new music with Axl in general.. His vocals have been good enough for this tour to work but they aren't really that solid in all honestly. His voice was one of the many flaws on CD. pretty pessimistic view point but albeit not that far from correct, axl's voice is better now than what it was in mid 2000's 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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