The Holographic Universe Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 13 hours ago, Padme said: Lucky for us your opinion doesn't have any impact on the band either. And Ashba decided to leave My opinion is love and support of what the band is currently doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Frank Ferrer should learn something from this kid 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan H. Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 If he has a tonal issue with his drums that was solved by some dude on a forum rather than on his own, then I'm afraid to say he may be a bad musician 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmore Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) Hi guys, this topic wasn't created by me to talk badly about Frank or anything. I just wanna share my personal opinion. I have lots of respect for Frank. It's not easy to sit behind the drumkit for Gn'R. There will always be haters and lovers. I also would like to have Steven back by the way. I personally think that Frank is a fantastic drummer and he does his job every night. But one thing is missing. The feeling. You know, there are many drummers out there, technically good and all that, and Frank is definetely in that category, but there's absolutely no feeling. It's like a drum machine. It sounds the same everytime and that's it. Steven Adler for example is totally different. He's much more of a rock n' roll drummer. He has a lot of feeling and you know, it's Steven. There's more life in his drumming. With Matt also. It's because he puts a lot of feeling and swing into his drumming. Frank doesn't do that. But that doesn't mean that Frank is a bad drummer. He's the perfect studio musician, if you want proper drums, but in a live situation it just sounds dead, because it's too perfect. And Rock n' Roll isn't perfect. It's dangerous and there should be lots of room for improvisation and all that. I know that this topic has been touched a lot of times here, but I wanted to give it another perspective, without talking badly about him. As I said before, he's a great drummer, but he's so good technically that it sounds absolutely dead on stage. You don't have to be the best technician on any instrument to be the best. You just have to put life into what you're doing. And Steven always did that. Would like to your opinion about it without talking badly about Frank. He's really a good drummer, but not for GnR. Edited February 12, 2017 by blackmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xBrownstonex Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Finally another thread about Franks drumming. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default_ Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Yeah, except that Matt is also a drum machine and the only reason people like him is because he was on the right place at the right time. If Matt were the drummer now and Frank in 1990, it would be the same thing. Steven is the only GnR drummer that had something special about his playing, all the others are just robots that can play a thousand notes at a time. Yeah, I'm talking about Josh Freese and Brain too. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Brent Snape Fitz is an amazing drummer @blackmore you should call Ian Gillan and make a Deep Purple reunion happen, if you find Frank so fantastic then you hire him for your Rainbow band 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmore Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 12 minutes ago, default_ said: Steven is the only GnR drummer that had something special about his playing, all the others are just robots that can play a thousand notes at a time. Yeah, I'm talking about Josh Freese and Brain too. Agree 100%. 1 minute ago, Słash said: Brent Snape Fitz is an amazing drummer @blackmore you should call Ian Gillan and make a Deep Purple reunion happen, if you find Frank so fantastic then you hire him for your Rainbow band As I said before - in my opinion he doesn't fit into a Rock n' Roll band like Guns n Roses or even Rainbow. He's drumming is too much "robot" like, as default said. But that's just my opinion. There are probably lots of people who like Frank's drumming in Guns n Roses and that's absolutely okay. Would be sad if that wouldn't be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Jay Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I like him personally. I'd rate him above Matt Sorum. His vibe feels like Guns N' Roses to me since he's been in that position for more than ten years. It looked kind of like Slash and Duff had taken him hostage and he's constantly under pressure but continues to deliver, but there was more chemistry with Fortus and Stinson than with Duff. He's wild, savage and precise. Maybe sometimes they're telling him "not quite my tempo" but overall he knows how to jam anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSoftie Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 15 minutes ago, Silent Jay said: I like him personally. I'd rate him above Matt Sorum. His vibe feels like Guns N' Roses to me since he's been in that position for more than ten years. It looked kind of like Slash and Duff had taken him hostage and he's constantly under pressure but continues to deliver, but there was more chemistry with Fortus and Stinson than with Duff. He's wild, savage and precise. Maybe sometimes they're telling him "not quite my tempo" but overall he knows how to jam anything. "Are you rushing or dragging, Frank?!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA_0013 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Frank is better now than before. His old way of playing the Brownstone intro was dog shit - glad he switched it to the proper way when Slash and Duff rejoined Sorum was great, but his tone on the UYI tour was really grating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestic Beast Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 He sucks for the music level of GNR,his sound is cheap and ruining most of the songs,Phil Rudd is free now,even if he said some bad mouth words for Axl and then took them back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caraibes Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 He is a GREAT drummer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Frank has gotten better but he still sucks.. He has gotten to the point where he is not ruining as many songs and you just have to try and ignore him the rest of the time.. Same with Fortus.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Cavalerra Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 He has a lot surprising element on his style, i can see why it sometimes hit and miss to some people, but i see his already learn how to stay true to some songs while still maintain his flair here and there which is great, he outstanding on CD tracks like TWAT and CITR especially on the convoluted outro part. Axl seems like him personally tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 FRANK IS NOT STEVEN. simple as that. He has no soul , no suffering ,no happiness or anything in his music or even in his expression. I don t see the point why he should be in GNR. Same for Matt Sorum. Didn t like him during UYI and don t want him back. Steven is the one and only and a bit of surprise or unpredictable elements are missing in GNR these days.. however I will always support them cause there was/is no band or music that means that much to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourettes2400 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 No, the problem is he is not Steven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorderlineCrazy Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 53 minutes ago, Tourettes2400 said: No, the problem is he is not Steven. No, the problem is HE SUCKS. Brent Fitz is not Steven either but he did justice to every single GNR song he played. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I've only seen some vids but on Chi dem Franks is killing, with Slash bringing the whirlwind on riffs it's pretty great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsinindy Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, wasted said: I've only seen some vids but on Chi dem Franks is killing, with Slash bringing the whirlwind on riffs it's pretty great. No one (I realize some do actually), but no one really cares about the CD songs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) Hi everyone, Im new to posting but have been reading content here for long enough to know that theres a lot of good insights on here. Im hesitant to make an introduction in a 'debate' thread... but here it goes. What I've noticed in Franks playing is that he plays some drum fills in a way so that the notes overlap each other. I personally find it distracting. An example of what Im saying would be Sorum's infamous "Pat Boone, Debbie Boone" drum fill from the trilogy (yes an axl collaboration). To my ears it becomes a jumble when Frank plays it, especially in NR. More "PaBooDebyBo." But the full sentence is still implied by the drums and anticipated by the rest of the players. It sound sloppy to me. I can on one hand understand a drummer deciding to not play the same fill over and over, but Im not convinced he's putting in the finesse, because I think he trips over his fills in other songs too. And, yeah, if its his tone, then Id agree with others who say that part of being a musician is having an ear for tone. But one could guess that many different people, from mix engineers to live nation to management, could all be influencing what tone we hear. I loved the show I saw with him drumming on this tour. To me more GNR is more GNR! Edited February 20, 2017 by soon spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torb Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Frank is the drummer Axl needed, end of discussion. You may not like his drum fills or his way to play the songs, it's a matter of tastes. I agree with the ones who say Steven is irreplaceable, but I'm afraid Gn'R now don't want to be a footprint of their past sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top-Hatted One Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 15 hours ago, default_ said: Yeah, except that Matt is also a drum machine and the only reason people like him is because he was on the right place at the right time. If Matt were the drummer now and Frank in 1990, it would be the same thing. Steven is the only GnR drummer that had something special about his playing, all the others are just robots that can play a thousand notes at a time. Yeah, I'm talking about Josh Freese and Brain too. What is so awful about having perfect tempo as a drummer. What does Neil Peart if Rush know about drumming anyway when he says Sorum is the best at keeping perfect tempo. PS sometimes a drum machine is better than a sloppy drummer who overplays fills and doesn't let the song breathe when it's time for the other band members to shine. A drum machine doesn't speed up in song and rush the lead singer to the lint he sounds like shit etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendez Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, BorderlineCrazy said: No, the problem is HE SUCKS. Brent Fitz is not Steven either but he did justice to every single GNR song he played. I'll never understand why Brent Fitz always rushed the drum intro to YCBM, then immediately fell into the right tempo. He intentionally does it every time and I wonder why. (Unless for some odd reason Slash told him to do it) Edited February 13, 2017 by Mendez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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