Nikki_Sixx Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 15 hours ago, thunderram said: Yes it is. And I explained exactly why. Instead of just disagreeing with no evidence in support, why don't you explain why. I assume you went to a class or family reunion at some point in your life, or know someone that has. Was it not referred to as a reunion because some class/family members chose not to or were unable to attend? This current tour is a REUNION of 3 of the key members of the original band. Saying otherwise is simply being ignorant and hardheaded. Denial is a river ..... It's still not a reunion. You saw the real deal in '91, '92 and '93, you should know. This travesty is not a reunion. Axl's monopoly is still in place. Slash and Duff just joined his band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki_Sixx Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 10 hours ago, ZoSoRose said: I was a big supporter of the 2009-2014 lineup. NuGNR was always going to be an uphill battle, but that era started as strong as it could, considering the circumstances. Uh, no. It was a disaster in every way right from the get-go. They played 2 shows in January of 2001, rescheduled/cancelled a full European tour twice, it took a full year for them to play another show at the end of 2001. They then dissapeared again for 8 months, resurfaced in August for some Festival dates, made a spectacle of themselves for a worldwide audience on the MTV VMA's, after which their North American tour was cancelled 16 shows in after two no-shows and two riots. They then dissapeared off the face of the earth for 4 years ... Yep, started as 'strong' as it could ... I know you were specifically zero-ing in on the 2009-2014 lineup, but was that any better ? They dropped the album in November of 2008 and started touring on it in December of 2009. A full year later ! Another set of great decisions there ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen8R Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 On August 23, 2016 at 3:38 AM, SerenityScorp said: Another ex Member tht using GN'R hype to making new album N' boost the sale? Exactly! He has been doing this for years and years and he probably won't stop anytime soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Gilbert is as unimportant as he ever was. The guy is a really good old fashioned stones player and he can play lead as well. But lets face it, izzy is the only factor now in connection to guns. He is one of the x factors that made guns what it was. Much like axl and slash, only he isnt as flashy cause thats not in his nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustanUrchin Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 On 8/24/2016 at 8:24 AM, EvanG said: And to GnR's credit... they never even called it a 'reunion', it's just been something the media has been running with and now people like Matt and Gilby probably can't go one day without someone asking them about the reunion so he finally gave his thoughts on it and he's completely right. Myth. “This isn’t, the Guns n’ Roses reunion isn’t just kind of like by happenchance or whatever...chance…or whatever. Um, it was always looked at as a possibility, but it just never seemed right or felt right.” Axl Rose, China Exchange Q&A, June 2016 It is a reunion. Axl understands this. That is why he said it. Slash, Duff and Axl were the sole partners after Izzy’s buyout subsequent to Adler’s firing. Those partners have reunited. The most valuable asset that this p’ship has is its copyrighted ’87-’91 catalogue. Gn’R assets were solely controlled by Slash and Duff after Axl withdrew from the p’ship in 1996, believing, as history shows, that he could force Slash to join Axl’s solo band. And that, he, Axl, could erase the Gn’R legacy and make it his own. He failed. On both fronts. Slash and Duff were, while controlling Gn’R assets as sole partners, winning Grammies with VR as Axl’s solo band devolved into a lounge act. A humorless two decade parody. I summarized this in another thread—from Superior Court legal pleadings, but it bears repeating until the forum stamps out the “Axl’s band” myth: it was never Axl’s band—legally OR in the eyes of the masses. Axl maneuvered inside the mod’d PA by slipping terms into a MOU that should he be removed or voluntarily withdraw from the p’ship, he would be granted the brand name. By design, Axl quit the p’ship after Slash told him, at least publicly via Snakepit, to go Ron Burgundy himself with his dictatorial aspirations. Slash and Axl had equal decision-making authority in the mod’d PA. To the Axl apologists, reread that last sentence. Gilby’s “basically” line bears a striking resemblance to regurgitated misinformation from Axl revisionists on fan forums. If Gilby was approached regarding this threeunion, which at best seems dubious, a precondition to sit at the table would have been agreeing to not disclose any protected or privileged terms of offers or negotiations or be liable for damages. Period. This reconstituted biz entity has already grossed to the tune of more than a hundred million dollars in 2016. Such an undertaking post-voluminous litigation would require each party’s interests being represented individually, not by the likes of a singular, shady Goldstein-like character. The forum shouldn’t be like Gilby—don’t conflate Axl’s retention of the brand name with the reconstituted Gn’R biz entity. Axl’s solo band, R.I.P., 1996-2015. It was Axl’s solo band banking on the Gn’R brand name that brought Axl apologists 15 songs in the same period that millions of children were conceived and reached legal drinking age. And a spot on Wikipedia’s short list of all-time worst albums. Is this a Gn’R reunion? No. Not to me, anyhow. Is it a biz org, legal “reunion?” Yes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 42 minutes ago, Nikki_Sixx said: Uh, no. It was a disaster in every way right from the get-go. They played 2 shows in January of 2001, rescheduled/cancelled a full European tour twice, it took a full year for them to play another show at the end of 2001. They then dissapeared again for 8 months, resurfaced in August for some Festival dates, made a spectacle of themselves for a worldwide audience on the MTV VMA's, after which their North American tour was cancelled 16 shows in after two no-shows and two riots. They then dissapeared off the face of the earth for 4 years ... Yep, started as 'strong' as it could ... I know you were specifically zero-ing in on the 2009-2014 lineup, but was that any better ? They dropped the album in November of 2008 and started touring on it in December of 2009. A full year later ! Another set of great decisions there ! I was zeroing n on 2009-2014, touring a year after the album sucked. That's why I said "as strong as it could, considering the circumstances". The Asian and Canadian legs had 3 hours shows with pretty good press reviews. Not to mention, Axl sounded good. So, yeah, considering the circumstances the was as goodd a kickoff as they were going to get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 16 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: Ehh, no. By technicality and the name guns n roses, ehhh, YES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 15 hours ago, RONIN said: Man...that's a sobering reality. You're right, it does seem like it's still Axl's band. Maybe Slash really needed the money after his divorce -- it's hard to believe after 20+ yrs of a successful solo career, that he'd sign on to be Axl's hired lackey. It can't be that though -- Axl and his cover band were struggling to sell out bowling alleys and clubs in 2013. He had run the brand/band into the ground and had entered his fat Elvis stage. Slash on the other hand is as big now as he ever was. From the outside looking in, it seems like Axl needed Slash a lot more than the other way around. He wanted more than anything for Slash to become a has-been with no prospects a la Steven Adler and to come crawling back to him, hat in hand. For a short time in the late 90's/early 2000's it seemed like Slash would not be able to get out from under the shadow of GnR but velvet revolver changed all of that. Coming into this reunion, it would seem Slash would be negotiating from a position of strength. He did negotiate from a position of strength because the band is managing itself. They're booking the gigs and deciding how everyone's going to get paid between the three of them, not by a manager like the past. Ultimately Axl just has the final signature on everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 12 hours ago, ironmt said: I haven't seen anything that Indicates that Izzy wants back In full time. Feel free to post the Information that made you come to that conclusion. Maybe I over looked something. You need a link to his Twitter page? He played the songs sunshine and stuck in the middle with you. Do you need a link to the song FP money too? It's beyond clear it's a shot at the band. Don't be so naive, he's said in a recorded interview and to Marc canter that even though he wasn't into touring, he would do a reunion if it were to happen. He's made guest appearances in the past and now he's not, and Axl made it clear to the fan with the "where's izzy sign" that it was a good question. You need a link? Scroll down on this: http://chinese-democracy.blogspot.com/2008/11/exclusive-interview-with-izzy-stradlin.html?m=1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunners fan Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Nikki_Sixx said: It's still not a reunion. You saw the real deal in '91, '92 and '93, you should know. This travesty is not a reunion. Axl's monopoly is still in place. Slash and Duff just joined his band. Utter bullshit. This GNR 2016 with the original logo. The 3 main characters. Band playing to stadiums....playing on time. On fire performances. Awesome marketing. Adler can tour....that's why the guest spots. Izzy don't want to tour. This is the best of the combo. I saw Nu guns in 2006 and they never came on stage to 12:15 am and played to 3 am......worst concert ever.... I have seen 2016 GNR 4x....absolutely amazing, professional and for the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki_Sixx Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 10 minutes ago, gunners fan said: Utter bullshit. This GNR 2016 with the original logo. The 3 main characters. Band playing to stadiums....playing on time. On fire performances. Awesome marketing. Adler can tour....that's why the guest spots. Izzy don't want to tour. This is the best of the combo. I saw Nu guns in 2006 and they never came on stage to 12:15 am and played to 3 am......worst concert ever.... I have seen 2016 GNR 4x....absolutely amazing, professional and for the fans. Being professional doesn't make it the real deal. There are lots of professional cover bands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustanUrchin Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 2 hours ago, gunners fan said: Utter bullshit. This GNR 2016 with the original logo. The 3 main characters. Band playing to stadiums....playing on time. On fire performances. Awesome marketing. Adler can tour....that's why the guest spots. Izzy don't want to tour. This is the best of the combo. I saw Nu guns in 2006 and they never came on stage to 12:15 am and played to 3 am......worst concert ever.... I have seen 2016 GNR 4x....absolutely amazing, professional and for the fans. I cannot agree with you on the subjective combo statement or the Izzy conclusion, but I dig your application of facts. Worst concert ever? I’ll raise ya. Of the four times that I’ve paid to see Axl perform (twice in Gn’R and twice in various incarnations of his solo band), he respected his paying fans just once with a punctual performance. That was the first time. And, perhaps coincidentally, that show occurred prior to his paying fans buying him a pot to piss in. The third time he treated me to a riot and gave thousands of us the finger rather than upholding his contractual commitment. Then again, he’s done that the world over, time and again. I received a partial reimbursement from Ticketmaster on two tickets. But no reimbursement for stress of escorting my wife from the arena unharmed, gas, meals, mileage, lodging or, of course, wasted time. While the reconstituted Gn’R biz entity assuredly forced terms on Axl regarding punctual start times or be liable for specific division of loss, hence approximately thirty consecutive punctual (and even early) performances this summer for the first time since AFD, attorneys for Slash and Duff (and LiveNation) have made it an enjoyable experience for all paying fans, band members and crew. AC/DC attorneys have done the same. No show? Walk off? You don’t get paid. And, oh by the way, you’ve accepted sole legal liability for all costs and expenses for incidental and consequential damages resulting from late starts, no shows, walk-offs and all nature of hissy fits. LiveNation would not have accepted the risk otherwise, the insurer(s) would not have insured the summer series, and Slash would've never anted up again. As someone brighter and far funnier than I concluded about the lazy stalactite: anybody named after a car part that ain’t includin’ the engine is a puss anyways. Don’t click on the below link unless you’re an early on fan. Or have a healthy sense of humor. #backinblacklivesmatter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Nikki_Sixx said: Uh, no. It was a disaster in every way right from the get-go. They played 2 shows in January of 2001, rescheduled/cancelled a full European tour twice, it took a full year for them to play another show at the end of 2001. They then dissapeared again for 8 months, resurfaced in August for some Festival dates, made a spectacle of themselves for a worldwide audience on the MTV VMA's, after which their North American tour was cancelled 16 shows in after two no-shows and two riots. They then dissapeared off the face of the earth for 4 years ... Yep, started as 'strong' as it could ... I know you were specifically zero-ing in on the 2009-2014 lineup, but was that any better ? They dropped the album in November of 2008 and started touring on it in December of 2009. A full year later ! Another set of great decisions there ! I had tickets for that - Manchester If I recall! Then the wanker announced two shows in Vegas again within days of bailing out on the European tour (as if to stick a knife in the wound); the tour had already been rescheduled once! If anyone has wondered why Axl Rose gets on my absolute tits, it is moments like that. Edited August 25, 2016 by DieselDaisy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) 20 hours ago, jmapelian said: he wasn't asked to join Velvet Revolver, or SMKC, or even retained after the UYI tour. Slash has played on 103 other artists songs inclduing his guest spot on Pawnshop Guitars; what you don't mention is that he never asked Gilby to join another band he formed after Snakepit. So I think there's more to the point that he's not really welcome I responded to Asia's post about no one caring about Gilby. And you're wrong, uhm... didn't he play and tour with Snakepit, and wasn't that after the UYI tour? Wasn't he present during the RHOF performance not that long ago even though he wasn't inducted, he was still asked to join them that night? Haven't Gilby and Slash shared the stage several times in the last couple of years? Just check youtube and you will see the results. So yeah, I guess Slash really doesn't care about him, huh? Edited August 25, 2016 by EvanG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmapelian Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 (edited) Yes, Gilby played on one of two Snakepit albums and Slash played on Pawnshop Guitars, That was 94/95. The LAST TIME THEY PLAYED ON EACH OTHERS MUSIC. After Snakepit brokeup, Gilby made MAYBE a half dozen to dozen guest spots with VR and SMKC; and then HoF spot, which was entirely out of conveniance since he was the touring guitarist, not out of any love of his playing because Slash and Duff put out plenty of albuims since then and he appeared on 1. And it would seem he played on Snakepit out of conveniance since it was thrown together as quickly as it was. Edited August 26, 2016 by jmapelian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 13 hours ago, Nikki_Sixx said: This travesty is not a reunion. Axl's monopoly is still in place. Slash and Duff just joined his band. I saw the last two shows of the tour this past weekend and to call the current status of GNR a travesty is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmt Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 12 hours ago, Billsfan said: You need a link to his Twitter page? He played the songs sunshine and stuck in the middle with you. Do you need a link to the song FP money too? It's beyond clear it's a shot at the band. Don't be so naive, he's said in a recorded interview and to Marc canter that even though he wasn't into touring, he would do a reunion if it were to happen. He's made guest appearances in the past and now he's not, and Axl made it clear to the fan with the "where's izzy sign" that it was a good question. You need a link? Scroll down on this: http://chinese-democracy.blogspot.com/2008/11/exclusive-interview-with-izzy-stradlin.html?m=1 Your link doesn't mean a thing.It says that Izzy would consider a reunion and I am sure It would entail many behind the scenes business matters that would need to be Ironed out before It would become possible, yet you are acting as If It Is a done deal and It's obviously not considering Izzy has yet to step on stage with the band. The Interview also mentions Izzy possibly touring Argentina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorderlineCrazy Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 The idea of Slash not caring about Gilby just because they haven't been in a band together lately is ridiculous. GNR didn't fire Gilby, Axl did. Then he hired one of the worst guitar players in the whole world and that was the final straw for Slash, who quit. When Slash put SMKC together, he wanted a low profile band to tour in support of his solo album. Then the chemistry with those guys was great and it became a real band (well, sort of) but he originally thought of it as a solo project, so he obviously wasn't gonna call Gilby, nor Duff, Matt, Steven... In 2010 (I believe) Gilby had an accident with his motorcycle and Slash (who was touring with SMKC) called him to see how he was. He invited him to the HoF, shared the stage in Kings Of Chaos several times, had him opening for him last year in his South American tour. Of course Gilby isn't Slash's biggest friend but yeah, Slash definitely cares about the guy. Also, when Slash was inducted to the Walk Of Fame, some of his friends were there with him. Among them were Charlie Sheen, Myles Kennedy, the grooviest motherfucker on the planet AND... Gilby. I still believe Gilby's comment about the "reunion done right" including him was stupid but so is all the bullshit on this thread trying to sell the idea that he's a nobody and no one (band included) cares about him. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caraibes Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Who cares? FORTUS is a million times better and has been in the band for 15 years. It's FORTUS TIME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, jmapelian said: Yes, Gilby played on one of two Snakepit albums and Slash played on Pawnshop Guitars, That was 94/95. The LAST TIME THEY PLAYED ON EACH OTHERS MUSIC. After Snakepit brokeup, Gilby made MAYBE a half dozen to dozen guest spots with VR and SMKC; and then HoF spot, which was entirely out of conveniance since he was the touring guitarist, not out of any love of his playing because Slash and Duff put out plenty of albuims since then and he appeared on 1. And it would seem he played on Snakepit out of conveniance since it was thrown together as quickly as it was. You have to learn to read, dude. Again, I responded to Asia's post which said no one cared about Gilby. Quite frankly, I'm impressed some poster here who probably doesn't know anyone is able to speak for other people. Same goes for you. Because Gilby hasn't recorded with Slash anymore since the 90s doesn't mean he doesn't care about him or whatever you think. I've given enough examples of these guys still playing together, I don't understand why you have a problem with that. Also, learn to spell, it does help on a forum like this. Edited August 26, 2016 by EvanG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Caraibes said: Who cares? FORTUS is a million times better and has been in the band for 15 years. It's FORTUS TIME. Seriously till now you haven't told me that how old are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki_Sixx Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 5 hours ago, WhazUp said: I saw the last two shows of the tour this past weekend and to call the current status of GNR a travesty is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. The current status of 'GNR' is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of. That doesn't mean that they suck or whatever. They might be amazing musically, or amazing in other ways. However, the way this has been handled, and the way this 'reunion' has turned out, is a goddamn travesty. I wasn't waiting on a continuation of the Axl solo years, with two added members. I have zero interest in reliving that debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babooshka Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 What I got from Gilby's comment is that he and Matt could be involved at some point. Cool. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Babooshka said: What I got from Gilby's comment is that he and Matt could be involved at some point. Cool. I hope you're right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevergotochurch Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 oh yeah, that's what we're all holding out for... the return of Gilby ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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