DieselDaisy Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Just now, jmapelian said: cause thats terrible So is Chinese Democracy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmapelian Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 6 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: So is Chinese Democracy. lmao, hence why not inject some of VR / slash's song's that aren't terrible into the setlist......lmao......definitely got 4+ hrs of killer in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 8 minutes ago, jmapelian said: lmao, hence why not inject some of VR / slash's song's that aren't terrible into the setlist......lmao......definitely got 4+ hrs of killer in there That would be like a Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmapelian Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) 16 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: That would be like a Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young thing. they actually have 5 hours worth of original material with Chinese Democracy included.....lol Edited August 27, 2016 by jmapelian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modano09 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Chinese Democracy isn't terrible. At the very least it's not worse than any VR album. And I like VR. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 In my opinion three hours is too long. Unless you're doing An evening with GnR, or whoever three hours is overkill. GnR could tidy up their set by taking a few of the jams out, taking the who cover out and that would allow them 2/3 alt. songs. I would love to see GnR change things up like Bruce, but realistically they don't have the back catalogue to support such an idea. 3 albums worth of classic material, and Chinese And let's be frank, some of that material classic or otherwise would not go over, especially not in the place of a big hit. They can swap a song or two in and out, but I cannot see them changing their set dramatically anytime soon, or changing from town to town. My bet is that the setlist in South America and Asia will remain the same, we MIGHT get a cool little nugget like pretty tied up if we're very lucky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Slash solo, and VR do NOT count as GnR material. Both would be in the cover territory. And I know two of the songwriters from VR are in the band and that Slash wrote his own solo material. BUT, it matters not! A cover is a cover! GnR's music is music released under the GnR name. I don't care for GnR playing VR material, and I don't care for GnR playing Slash solo. If that music has to be played, then it should be played at Slash solo shows or if VR decide to do anything ever again We have a great set-list as it is, it just needs to cut the fat and add a few more UYI nuggets... and then of course, add some new material after this tour wraps. The fat includes solos, some of the non-recorded covers and a few GnR songs that are good / great, but not particularly great for an audience, Better, coma etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadSlash Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) 19 hours ago, Original said: 66 year old (67 next month) Bruce Springsteen played for nearly 4 hours. I saw him once a few years ago and the guy has energy...he regularly plays for 3 hours plus and will change sets by easy 12+ songs from nigh to night. No wardrobe changes, no (maybe the sax) solo's, just non stop for hours. Guns could get a lot more songs in if they played 4 hours. I'm not ripping on Guns, just gives us hope that 54 yr old Axl may have a lot more in the tank left than we (I) thought. https://www.yahoo.com/news/springsteen-performs-nearly-4-hours-metlife-stadium-103946305.html Are they doing shorter sets on the reunion? The average show with the CD tours was over 3 hours, and they have gone near 4 in the past. They probably have done 4 at some point tbh, if not I know they did like 3h 45m or something. Why are we thinking that changed? Or was this sort of a general discussion type of thread? If you are simply asking if they could add 30 minutes to their show, yeah, absolutely. Axl does over 3 with wardrobe changes and they don't seem to take overly long, in other words, I have never thought to myself "What's the hold up?" at any of their shows. He also didn't puff the show length up with speeches on the CD tours either, it was just 3 hours of rock. As an aside, Bruce is not the measuring stick for non-stop, that title will forever be held by the R-A-M-O-N-E-S Ramones! If you never saw them live it was a sight to behold. they just play their catalogue straight through, I don't know how they breath! "1-2-3 Go!" Edited August 27, 2016 by DeadSlash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 7 hours ago, Tom2112 said: In my opinion three hours is too long. Unless you're doing An evening with GnR, or whoever three hours is overkill. GnR could tidy up their set by taking a few of the jams out, taking the who cover out and that would allow them 2/3 alt. songs. I would love to see GnR change things up like Bruce, but realistically they don't have the back catalogue to support such an idea. 3 albums worth of classic material, and Chinese And let's be frank, some of that material classic or otherwise would not go over, especially not in the place of a big hit. They can swap a song or two in and out, but I cannot see them changing their set dramatically anytime soon, or changing from town to town. My bet is that the setlist in South America and Asia will remain the same, we MIGHT get a cool little nugget like pretty tied up if we're very lucky! Is this really the reason though? Certainly they don't have the discography Bruce does but they do have enough material to implement greater diversity than what they currently deliver. Currently Guns N' Roses play ten songs, eight songs regularly and two occasionally/rarely (''Don't Cry'' and ''Yesterdays'') leaving twenty songs from a thirty song double album completely un-played - I am of course referring to Use Your Illusion. Additionally there are three songs from Appetite and six from Lies that have not been played, leaving a grand total of twenty-nine unequivocally 'old-band' songs un-played, including such highlights as ''Think About You'', ''Pretty Tied Up'', ''Bad Obsession'' and ''Locomotive''. (And that is without mentioning, setting aside various subjective arguments about legitimacy and quality, The Spaghetti Incident? [ten songs un-played], Chinese [eight], various rarities like ''Shadow of Your Love'' and ''Crash Diet'' not to mention the Velvet Revolver/solo stuff.) PS I'm not criticising their static setlists per se by the way. There is more than one way to skin a cat. These criticisms will only become valid when the band play subsequent legs in my opinion. Currently they have runs in the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 9 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: That would be like a Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young thing. What I mean by this is, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, besides playing material from CSN(Y) albums, would play material from their individual careers in this immense retrospective (pushing) four hour show. They would do songs by Buffalo Springfield (Stills and Young), The Byrds (Crosby), Manassas (Stills) not to mention Stills-Young (''Long May You Run'') and Crosby-Nash songs, and songs from their individual careers, including a great many by Neil Young; they even did intricately harmonised renditions of Crazy Horse epics (much to the chagrin of Horse purists!). The GN'R equivalent would be this massive four hour show with Snakepit, Loaded, solo, Conspirators and Chinese Democracy songs all played, alongside the core old-GN'R songs. As with CSNY's 1974 tour, it would be the ultimate in rock n' roll excess but it would certainly put the setlist debate to bed! PS I've already mentioned this but setlist.fm has Crosby, Stills and Nash songs classed as 'covers' on Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young's tour pages!! That definitely highlights the problem of being too strict ''all or nothing'' on the definition of ''cover'' when that cover has affiliated members present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 13 hours ago, Draguns said: Don't forget that Bruce is playing at home. Over here, "The Boss" Is HUGELY popular! He's giving it his all since he is a Jersey guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 3 hours ago, DeadSlash said: Are they doing shorter sets on the reunion? The average show with the CD tours was over 3 hours, and they have gone near 4 in the past. They probably have done 4 at some point tbh, if not I know they did like 3h 45m or something. Or was this sort of a general discussion type of thread? Yes it was a Jersey show but Bruce always plays long. The CD shows- they had a bunch of jams and crap, you can't count that. And yes- just general discussion. Axl is ONLY 54 when you compare him to nearly 67 yr old Bruce who goes non stop for 4 hours. Just makes us hopeful Axl/Guns can keep this reunion rolling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnrcane Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Sure, just extend the RQ jam and KOHD a little and you are pretty much there! Seriously, I think that maybe slightly longer (2 or 3 more songs) than they have been doing on NITL would be perfect. Too long and there will be exhausting/boring parts of the show. Ideally, they would play arenas with 2 nights in each city (that can support it) and do 2.5 hour shows but change out 10 or so songs for the second night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreakDown2014 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 8 hours ago, DeadSlash said: Are they doing shorter sets on the reunion? The average show with the CD tours was over 3 hours, and they have gone near 4 in the past. They probably have done 4 at some point tbh, if not I know they did like 3h 45m or something. Why are we thinking that changed? Or was this sort of a general discussion type of thread? If you are simply asking if they could add 30 minutes to their show, yeah, absolutely. Axl does over 3 with wardrobe changes and they don't seem to take overly long, in other words, I have never thought to myself "What's the hold up?" at any of their shows. He also didn't puff the show length up with speeches on the CD tours either, it was just 3 hours of rock. As an aside, Bruce is not the measuring stick for non-stop, that title will forever be held by the R-A-M-O-N-E-S Ramones! If you never saw them live it was a sight to behold. they just play their catalogue straight through, I don't know how they breath! "1-2-3 Go!" The longest show GN'R ever played was Tokyo 2009 and it was around 3h45m long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 We are talking about Guns N' Roses. Not solo bands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 38 minutes ago, BreakDown2014 said: The longest show GN'R ever played was Tokyo 2009 and it was around 3h45m long Talking Guns n Roses. Not the solo stuff with all the jams etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 They currently play circa 2 hours 30-40mins, leaving about one 1 hour 20-30mins extra. That would be about 10 - 14 more songs, most of them (presumably) from Illusion. Some of your casuals are going to be looking at their watch through their fourth 'epic'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitha_whiskey Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: They currently play circa 2 hours 30-40mins, leaving about one 1 hour 20-30mins extra. That would be about 10 - 14 more songs, most of them (presumably) from Illusion. Some of your casuals are going to be looking at their watch through their fourth 'epic'. I agree. I said similar up above. Too many goddamn casual fans at stadium shows. They haven't drank since the last time they got a babysitter 2 years ago and are spent by the time Brownstone gets played. Strangely enough, 2 of the NuGnR shows I saw (KC '12 & Vegas '14) went over 3 hours & everyone seemed to love it. I think those crowds were obviously Axl hard core fans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Rose Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I don't know, I think 3 hours is more than enough..it's hard to sustain energy and a natural high longer than that..I'd rather leave a concert feeling pumped and wanting more, rather than thinking "how long is this next solo going to last cause I'm getting tired" .. now that could just be my age talking lol but still.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin82 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Fuck standing on the same spot for 3/4 hours my legs would be screaming at me..!!!!! Then prior to the show you got to stand around for what could be hours depending on what time you get the Stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlingrl03 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 My feet and neck were killin me after standing and headbopping for almost the 3 hour show. ..I would have to take something really strong lol to make it to 4 hours! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitha_whiskey Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 If the audience can't hack it, can they (we) tip our hat to the fuckers out there on stage givin it all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlingrl03 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 17 minutes ago, Fitha_whiskey said: If the audience can't hack it, can they (we) tip our hat to the fuckers out there on stage givin it all? Damn straight we can!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Fermanager - GNR can't do a 4 hour concert. Impossible. They don't have it in them to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadSlash Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, marlingrl03 said: My feet and neck were killin me after standing and headbopping for almost the 3 hour show. ..I would have to take something really strong lol to make it to 4 hours! That's actually a really good point. 4 hours of Bruce takes a whole lot less energy than 4 hours of GnR... for the band and the audience. This question is the same as asking if Usain Bolt could do a marathon. Could he? I don't know, maybe. The better question is "Who wants to see Usain Bolt jog?" The crazy part is GnR has come close at 3:45. If Bruce tried to do their set he would collapse about 2 hours in. Edited August 28, 2016 by DeadSlash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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