Popular Post nn18 Posted October 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) If you're honestly thinking this whole reunion thing was all about the money, than you're pretty delusional. I'm not claiming that the money didn't play a certain role in it, but to say it's all a cash grab is stupid. Have you seen that backstage hug? Those gifs of Axl and Slash sharing a laugh? Duff and Slash going not once, but twice to Axl/DC? If yes and yet you keep posting ''$$$$$$$'' over and over again....Well, I don't know... I know some here are bitter because Izzy's not involved, I'd love to see him here too, but I'm not gonna spit on everyone and everything just because I could't get everything I dreamed of. They could've reached a compromise, could've split the loot equally, but honestly I would't demand the same amount of money as Axl and Slash if I was Izzy and wouldn't offer the same amount to Izzy if I was Axl or Slash. But it's just me. Would it be better if he showed up? HELL YEAH! But I'm glad that we have Axl/Slash/Duff night after night on stage and backstage, and I'll be grateful for that instead of constantly comlaining and being a debbie downer Izzylites are as bad as Axlites....... Edited October 19, 2016 by nn18 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlingrl03 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 5 hours ago, nn18 said: If you're honestly thinking this whole reunion thing was all about the money, than you're pretty delusional. I'm not claiming that the money didn't play a certain role in it, but to say it's all a cash grab is stupid. Have you seen that backstage hug? Those gifs of Axl and Slash sharing a laugh? Duff and Slash going not once, but twice to Axl/DC? If yes and yet you keep posting ''$$$$$$$'' over and over again....Well, I don't know... I know some here are bitter because Izzy's not involved, I'd love to see him here too, but I'm not gonna spit on everyone and everything just because I could't get everything I dreamed of. They could've reached a compromise, could've split the loot equally, but honestly I would't demand the same amount of money as Axl and Slash if I was Izzy and wouldn't offer the same amount to Izzy if I was Axl or Slash. But it's just me. Would it be better if he showed up? HELL YEAH! But I'm glad that we have Axl/Slash/Duff night after night on stage and backstage, and I'll be grateful for that instead of constantly comlaining and being a debbie downer Izzylites are as bad as Axlites....... Yeahhh! Finally someone who echoes my sentiments 100% . I agree word for word with everything you said! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xBrownstonex Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 People degrading this as a money grab is an excuse/reason for themselves to feel okay about not caring about it. To say "its all just money anyway, i am waiting for the real thing" - without any proof of that - is just a way of dealing with ones own expectations that werent filled (probably cause those people are spoiled brats who dont know shit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlsFavoriteRose Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 On 10/19/2016 at 0:43 PM, nn18 said: If you're honestly thinking this whole reunion thing was all about the money, than you're pretty delusional. I'm not claiming that the money didn't play a certain role in it, but to say it's all a cash grab is stupid. Have you seen that backstage hug? Those gifs of Axl and Slash sharing a laugh? Duff and Slash going not once, but twice to Axl/DC? If yes and yet you keep posting ''$$$$$$$'' over and over again....Well, I don't know... I know some here are bitter because Izzy's not involved, I'd love to see him here too, but I'm not gonna spit on everyone and everything just because I could't get everything I dreamed of. They could've reached a compromise, could've split the loot equally, but honestly I would't demand the same amount of money as Axl and Slash if I was Izzy and wouldn't offer the same amount to Izzy if I was Axl or Slash. But it's just me. Would it be better if he showed up? HELL YEAH! But I'm glad that we have Axl/Slash/Duff night after night on stage and backstage, and I'll be grateful for that instead of constantly comlaining and being a debbie downer Izzylites are as bad as Axlites....... not that i think this was a cash grab cos i 100% don't but playing devil's advocate i could see people say that it was for the $$ and then them becoming friendly during the tour, or even worse that it was all for show to make the fans happy and sell more tickets. again not what i think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderram Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, AxlsFavoriteRose said: not that i think this was a cash grab cos i 100% don't but playing devil's advocate i could see people say that it was for the $$ and then them becoming friendly during the tour, or even worse that it was all for show to make the fans happy and sell more tickets. Anybody that knows anything about AXL knows that he's not going to fake anything (I know you know this). Furthermore, if it was for show, they certainly didn't do enough of it because most the reviews I've read call out the fact that they don't interact on stage much. The reason for that, IMO, is because they aren't faking anything. Their relationship isn't perfect or the same as it once was, if it was ever really that good to begin with, but they obviously have patched things up to the point where they don't dislike each other anymore. That's the important thing. Edited October 20, 2016 by thunderram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlsFavoriteRose Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Just now, thunderram said: Anybody that knows anything about AXL knows that he's not going to fake anything (I know you know this). Furthermore, if it was for show, they certainly didn't do enough of it because most the reviews I've read call out the fact that they don't interact on stage much. The reason for that, IMO, is because they aren't faking anything. Their relationship isn't perfect or the same as it once was, if it was every really that good to begin with, but they obviously have patched things up to the point where they don't dislike one another anymore. That's the important thing. of course he wouldn't and as i said i don't believe one word of it just saying how some could come up with these crazy ideas. i saw them in one of the very first shows, the Vegas show on 4/8 and i knew they were all happy as hell to be back playing together; i felt the magic, i saw the way Slash and Duff were at Axl's side as much as possible. i have no idea why anyone would think differently, just offered a theory on maybe how. in retrospect it doesn't matter really 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Where is the album then? If this is ''not a cash grab'', where is the new material? And why are the tickets excessive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xBrownstonex Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) They just started playing shows since 23 fucking years. Have some fucking patience dude. If you had the opportuninty to sell tickets at such prices, you would say "nah, i wanna make less money", right? Besides, that its not in the bands hands, how much the tickets actually cost Edited October 21, 2016 by xBrownstonex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, xBrownstonex said: They just started playing shows since 23 fucking years. Have some fucking patience dude. If you had the opportuninty to sell tickets at such prices, you would say "nah, i wanna make less money", right? Besides, that its not in the bands hands, how much the tickets actually cost Absolute garbage. Tom Petty keeps his prices deliberately lower than the majority of acts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) 20 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Absolute garbage. Tom Petty keeps his prices deliberately lower than the majority of acts. Iron maiden does the same thing, this whole "reunion" is just a bullshit excuse to rip off fans, shit even before the reunion they were upping tickets in price, a price more expensive than maiden tickets. Edited October 21, 2016 by bran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubicon Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 44 minutes ago, bran said: Iron maiden does the same thing, this whole "reunion" is just a bullshit excuse to rip off fans, shit even before the reunion they were upping tickets in price, a price more expensive than maiden tickets. Totally! I just got Maiden tix for 85 € and not even the Mötley Crüe - Goodbye tour was that expensive!! But what sucks are not the ticket prices alone: I really can not understand that they are parting the whole area in VIP shit, pit left, pit right and what the fck else. It should be who ever comes first gets a place in the front row. That's just the way it normally goes... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkenchantress Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 The ticket prices are ridiculous. Izzy used the "loot" word in a very appropiate way, in my opinion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendez Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) I image the high ticket prices in part have to do with the multiple thousand dollar fees that result from "damage" to the field of whatever stadium they are in. (The possible ruining the grass with thousands of pounds of distributed pressure). Having to pay the 500+ people working to set the stage, plus the people working as security and cashiers and such (operating costs like the stadiums power, and the bands gears power). Plus whatever fees (if any exist) are set by the cities for hosting an event like this (excessively loud, excessive traffic build up, and whatever else goes along with this). That said, I had a fantastic time at two shows and don't regret them one bit. Edited October 21, 2016 by Mendez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikka Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 39 minutes ago, Mendez said: I image the high ticket prices in part have to do with the multiple thousand dollar fees that result from "damage" to the field of whatever stadium they are in. (The possible ruining the grass with thousands of pounds of distributed pressure). Having to pay the 500+ people working to set the stage, plus the people working as security and cashiers and such (operating costs like the stadiums power, and the bands gears power). Plus whatever fees (if any exist) are set by the cities for hosting an event like this (excessively loud, excessive traffic build up, and whatever else goes along with this). That said, I had a fantastic time at two shows and don't regret them one bit. Uhm... every band has those fees. GNR ask 3mln in addition to that. All in all I think it's a big rip off. And it's not for money per se - more of trying to prove we can still ask that much money and get them thing. They are trying to prove they are still relevant this way. Only, they will never get to younger audiences this way, they only reach to their older fanbase. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpax Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Money heals wounds. I don't know why azoff didn't achieve a reunion (probably because of Axls bitterness), but Axl admits that it was the coachella guy who was the main reason for this reunion...someone who had nothing to do with gnr...so stop talking about Axl finally getting cool. Money was his driving force. Coachella guy=a lot of money for 2 shows. And because Axl agreed to play this show more promoters contacted him...it wasn't even planned to go on tour in first place. But the offers were financially so good that Axl couldn't deny. The fans were patient for 25 years...No new real gnr material since 1991. And there won't be new stuff in the near future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 46 minutes ago, maxpax said: Money heals wounds. I don't know why azoff didn't achieve a reunion (probably because of Axls bitterness), but Axl admits that it was the coachella guy who was the main reason for this reunion...someone who had nothing to do with gnr...so stop talking about Axl finally getting cool. Money was his driving force. Coachella guy=a lot of money for 2 shows. And because Axl agreed to play this show more promoters contacted him...it wasn't even planned to go on tour in first place. But the offers were financially so good that Axl couldn't deny. The fans were patient for 25 years...No new real gnr material since 1991. And there won't be new stuff in the near future. At the Chinese Exchange interview, Axl said that Duff helped him understand Slash's point of view. The coachella guy may be a big factor for the reunion, but not for their reconciliation. Axl was hating Slash, he even called him a cancer. No way the reunion preceded the reconciliation (or at least the end of the hatred). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Asia Posted October 21, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2016 Axl was offered millions of dollars for the reunion for decades now and he kept refusing. Also if he was so much driven by $$$$ as some people here claim he is, he would have released all the material he has long ago, he would have released more live material from the past, the famous hidden footage in the form of a movie, a book, whatever, plenty ways to earn a lot of $$$ for him and he doesn't do it. Why? Because there's obviously no amount of money that will make him do something that he doesn't want to do, including the reunion. It's obvious he wanted it, even more obvious judging by how happy he now is, and then it's yet more obvious that the reconcilliation came first. Without it it wouldn't have happened, period. It's crazy to think otherwise, knowing what we know and Axl's entire history. And as for the money, wtf is surprising here? He can take that much so he does. Are there really that many people who resign from a raise in wage because they can do away with a smaller amount? Please... It has nothing to do with the motivation behind what you do, it's a simple rule of the market. They offer you, you take, why the hell would he refuse? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Asia said: And as for the money, wtf is surprising here? He can take that much so he does. Are there really that many people who resign from a raise in wage because they can do away with a smaller amount? Please... It has nothing to do with the motivation behind what you do, it's a simple rule of the market. They offer you, you take, why the hell would he refuse? Because he appreciates and respects the fans, and does not want to see people priced out. As I said, Petty keeps his prices artificially lower than other acts of equal stature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asia Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Because he appreciates and respects the fans, and does not want to see people priced out. As I said, Petty keeps his prices artificially lower than other acts of equal stature. Sorry but this reasoning doesn't really get to me. Don't know what you do in life but probably you have either some customers or some patients or whatever. So I assume that out of respect for them you charge less for what you do than they're willing to pay ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, Asia said: Sorry but this reasoning doesn't really get to me. Don't know what you do in life but probably you have either some customers or some patients or whatever. So I assume that out of respect for them you charge less for what you do than they're willing to pay ? But musical acts are not strictly 'jobs'. Fan support for instance is voluntary, not contractual (as the case of work-employee relations)!! The money between the two is also absurdly different - the majority of jobs (working class/middle class) in first world countries barely surpass the breadline. And that is not even mentioning the fact that these people - not, obviously, Guns N' Roses - are supposed to be 'artists'. Your analogy is completely hopeless. You know this is a cashgrab when the fans can only defend it by defending corporate capitalism haha!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Rose Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I really didn't find the ticket prices that outrageous at all..for the Toronto venue, if you wanted to just "go" to the concert, the upper level tickets were $50.00 CDN. Considering bands like Our lady Peace tickets are the exact same amount, to see them in a casino for pete sakes, well, I don't see the outrage at all. And even if some do consider this a cashgrab/nostalgia tour, a couple hundred bucks to see your old favourite band, with Axl and Slash on stage together after 25 years, having a great time, putting on a kick-ass concert and totally loving what they are doing? Seems like an ok deal to me, even if nothing else happens after that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTV88 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 47 minutes ago, Whiskey Rose said: I really didn't find the ticket prices that outrageous at all..for the Toronto venue, if you wanted to just "go" to the concert, the upper level tickets were $50.00 CDN. Considering bands like Our lady Peace tickets are the exact same amount, to see them in a casino for pete sakes, well, I don't see the outrage at all. And even if some do consider this a cashgrab/nostalgia tour, a couple hundred bucks to see your old favourite band, with Axl and Slash on stage together after 25 years, having a great time, putting on a kick-ass concert and totally loving what they are doing? Seems like an ok deal to me, even if nothing else happens after that. Agreed on the prices. I originally bought lower bowl tickets and was fine with the cost. That is, before deciding to upgrade to VIP (got a timely bonus from work). Steven also guested for the first time in 25 or so years, and it seemed like they were open to him playing more then the few shows he did. And at least they had conversations with Izzy, even if they didn't work out. Here's to hoping they they patch things up in the near future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendez Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, bikka said: Uhm... every band has those fees. GNR ask 3mln in addition to that. All in all I think it's a big rip off. And it's not for money per se - more of trying to prove we can still ask that much money and get them thing. They are trying to prove they are still relevant this way. Only, they will never get to younger audiences this way, they only reach to their older fanbase. Yeah i understand that too. But I mean playing in a stadium specifically has those fees (like Dodger Stadium apparantly charging 1 mil for damage to the grass. Forgot where i read that, so i dont have a source for that, or if its true or not). It is obviously a charging-as-much-as-they-can maneuver, so that the band gets a big cut, and the promoters and managers their cut and all that goes with that. But I think playing in a stadium contributes to the big price as well. (Not by a huge amount, but signifcant enough). Edited October 21, 2016 by Mendez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderram Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) 15 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: Where is the album then? If this is ''not a cash grab'', where is the new material? And why are the tickets excessive? First, we don't know that there isn't an album in the works or to be released. We just assume there may not be one due to the band's history since 1993. Lastly, the ticket prices are what they are because that's what they can get for them. They're not having trouble selling them. Sold out in many places and 90%+ in most other locations. Are you telling me that you wouldn't maximize the amount of $$ you could make in your given profession? 13 hours ago, Darkenchantress said: The ticket prices are ridiculous. Izzy used the "loot" word in a very appropiate way, in my opinion As consumers, of course we believe the ticket prices to be ridiculous. Aren't the prices of fuel, new cars, homes, etc. also ridiculous? But they are what they are do to supply and demand and what the market is dictating. In the case of GN'R, the core members hadn't played together in 23 years thus creating high demand from the high volume of fans that want to see them. That factor alone makes their situation different from other acts in the field. And as I said above, it's not as if the ticket prices are proving to be far too ambitious. They're selling. 90%+ most places and sold out in many others. You don't like the prices, I don't like the prices, most don't like the prices. But they aren't really ridiculous considering all factors. I've read that the Rolling Stones charge a helluva lot more. You know why that is? Because they can. Pure and simple. People will pay it. Edited October 21, 2016 by thunderram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) Well I guess labeling this a cash grab is a little over the top, we've all known that axl rose would never share a stage with slash again for years unless they were cool again. Axl does have enough integrity at least NOT to pull a Van Halen and just your because of the money despite hating the person he was next to. I think the issue is more of the fact that the band, in particular axl slash and duff, are making incredibly great money each show. The fact that they couldn't each sacrifice a little bit each show to get Izzy in this thing is a little bit unsettling though. Edited October 21, 2016 by Billsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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