Popular Post guitarpatch Posted September 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, bacardimayne said: As I said earlier in the week, this may be the most pathetic thing Axl and Guns N' Roses have ever done. Not even in the 2011-2014 dark ages did Axl keep a founding member of the band and longtime friend out for petty money reasons. Absolutely disgusting. Sad my theory has been proven true about this corporate, shit, cashgrab tour. If it was truly about the music and not $, then Izzy would have showed up regardless... You are worth whatever you can get. This time around, it didn't work mutually to get a deal done. If they were that far apart, then it's understandable why he's not up there. No one owes anyone anything, they've all had their success 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gem Archer Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 They can fight about it, money, the story goes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jw224 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 16 minutes ago, liers said: He was probably never offered a full time gig because Fortus was still on board, and since he was only going to be part time he probably wasn't going to be paid as much as the full time members. Same situation as Adler. Yeah that's probably it. Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChineseDemocracy2004 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) I knew I should have gone to sleep. It's 2:30am and now I'm sadder than I was before. Edited September 8, 2016 by ChineseDemocracy2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bacardimayne Posted September 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2016 Founding member and primary songwriter excluded from reunion tour because they didn't want to pay him as much as the bass player. The most pathetic revelation in the history of Guns N' Roses. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gackt Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) There's two arguments that can be made about the situation, really: You can be mad at GnR/TB/Axl for low-balling Izzy, and showing no interest in accommodating to bring him into the band for the reunion tour You can be mad at Izzy for not being in it for the music & the fans, but just for the money Personally, I've been very happy with Fortus on this tour and I'm sure he impressed a lot of people with how well he compliments Slash and the ChiDem leads Edited September 8, 2016 by Gackt 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Modano09 Posted September 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2016 Why should it be shared equally? He quit 25 years ago and had nothing to do with the work that went into a reunion. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 So this probably nixes any chance of Izzy being involved in a potential studio album. Terrible news. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fitha_whiskey Posted September 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) Yes- he didn't wanna be a big rock star since, well ever really. Until he heard about the FP Money. Now it sounds pretty good all of a sudden. But the other 3 are automatically the bad guys? We have no idea what he was asked to do or didn't wanna do or anything really... All I know is this gonna be one huge fuckin shit storm... Your serve, Mr. Rose. Edited September 8, 2016 by Fitha_whiskey 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewolfshead Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 6 minutes ago, Modano09 said: Why should it be shared equally? He quit 25 years ago and had nothing to do with the work that went into a reunion. ding ding ding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ZoSoRose Posted September 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2016 6 minutes ago, Modano09 said: Why should it be shared equally? He quit 25 years ago and had nothing to do with the work that went into a reunion. Slash and Duff quit too. That is irrelevant 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bacardimayne Posted September 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2016 Just now, thewolfshead said: ding ding ding Never mind the fact that he wrote the majority of the songs that these fat old men are making millions touring right now. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DexAxl Posted September 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2016 12 minutes ago, Gackt said: You can be mad at Izzy for not being in it for the music & the fans, but just for the money Why would you be mad at Izzy, he don't want to take less money than Duff and i think we can agree that Izzy is more worthy to GNR succes. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holographic Universe Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, Modano09 said: Why should it be shared equally? He quit 25 years ago and had nothing to do with the work that went into a reunion. Exactly. He sold his stake in GNR years ago. Regardless of contributions to the band he does not deserve to just waltz back into the band and get equal shares of the company. That's bad business. People here are romanticizing Izzy's worth. This would be like Walter White wanting back into Grey Matter after selling his shares: bad business. Izzy should have known the value of GNR brand back in the 90's and kept his shares. As Izzy said, moving right along. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gordon Comstock Posted September 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2016 Axl's gonna bring back the '93 intros for Double Talkin' Jive in SA. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modano09 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 1 minute ago, ZoSoRose said: Slash and Duff quit too. That is irrelevant Oh it's quite relevant. He quit GNR 25 years ago and has had nothing to do with the band or the brand since. Axl, Slash and Duff are the ones who managed the GNR brand the last 25 years. They're the ones who put the work into making the reunion tour happen, they're the ones that have been on court managing the GNR name. They deserve a bigger piece of the pie than the guy who quit 25 years ago and seems to just want to show up and play. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gackt Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 1 minute ago, DexAxl said: Why would you be mad at Izzy, he don't want to take less money than Duff and i think we can agree that Izzy is more worthy to GNR succes. Axl & Duff are a lot more tight than Axl & Izzy; call it favoritism, but it's well-documented that Duff has always been Axl's yes-man from the original line-up, and will reap the benefits from that Izzy simply isn't as valuable to the success of a reunion tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AxlRoseCDII Posted September 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2016 Like it or not guys, Izzy quit the band in 1991 and gave up his share of it. You can't just quit something, not come back to it (minus guest appearances) for 25 years and then expect to get a full share back. Guns n' Roses is a partnership between Duff, Axl and Slash. There has also been Fortus in the band for nearly 15 years. GN'R or the management probably thought it would've been fun to offer Adler and Izzy guest spots if they were willing to take them, and Izzy was simply not willing to accept it. I'd love to see him up there with guys but I've accepted it long ago that Izzy would not be playing with this line-up. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ZoSoRose Posted September 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said: Exactly. He sold his stake in GNR years ago. Regardless of contributions to the band he does not deserve to just waltz back into the band and get equal shares of the company. That's bad business. People here are romanticizing Izzy's worth. This would be like Walter White wanting back into Grey Matter after selling his shares: bad business. Izzy should have known the value of GNR brand back in the 90's and kept his shares. As Izzy said, moving right along. Were fans I dont give a fuck what good "buisness" is or the "brand value". Lol what a load of trash. I think of GNR the band, not GNR the buisness. Its a reunion. Reunions are usually a fresh start sort of thing. Who cares if he left in 91 (which he needed to for his well being)? All 5 of those guys helped build the band in the old days. They all deserve to have been given a chance here based on the ethical, right choice. But hey, it is what it is. Im not going to stop loving this lineup. It works for my personal taste but I dont blame others for being mad about this. It sucks money got in the way, plain and simple 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoBrA2168 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 38 minutes ago, liers said: He was probably never offered a full time gig because Fortus was still on board, and since he was only going to be part time he probably wasn't going to be paid as much as the full time members. Same situation as Adler. This seems like the most likely possibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, Modano09 said: Oh it's quite relevant. He quit GNR 25 years ago and has had nothing to do with the band or the brand since. Axl, Slash and Duff are the ones who managed the GNR brand the last 25 years. They're the ones who put the work into making the reunion tour happen, they're the ones that have been on court managing the GNR name. They deserve a bigger piece of the pie than the guy who quit 25 years ago and seems to just want to show up and play. Naw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Jay Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Izzy deleted almost all his tweets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmartin9928 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Izzy has deleted all his tweets except for 3 of them.. I guess the lyrics and tweets was shots to G N R.... Why delete them damage has been done and what he just said did more damage.. Very sad day.. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holographic Universe Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Just now, ZoSoRose said: Were fans I dont give a fuck what good "buisness" is or the "brand value". Lol what a load of trash. I think of GNR the band, not GNR the buisness. Its a reunion. Reunions are usually a fresh start sort of thing. Who cares if he left in 91 (which he needed to for his well being)? All 5 of those guys helped build the band in the old days. They all deserve to have been given a chance here based on the ethical, right choice. But hey, it is what it is. Im not going to stop loving this lineup. It works for my personal taste but I dont blame others for being mad about this. It sucks money got in the way, plain and simple The only person who should care is Izzy. GNR is a business, too. It would be stupid to give cash to a guy 90% of the public do not care about. Now, had Izzy been in VR or another project with mainstream visibility then I could understand he would have something to being to the table, but his inclusion is just romanticizing of forum fans. Nobody else cares. Fuck, GNR did well with only Axl. So Izzy is just Izzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicDwolfwood Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Well there you have it.. $$$ talks afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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