Izzy Stradlin comments on reunion

[ironmt]

4 minutes ago, melonhead87 said:

He embarrassed himself. He sounds like a celebrity or teeny bopper running to twitter to fuel specualtion in the media. Thats a bitch move.

He responded to a question answered about him In an Interview. Axl could have requested that the Interviewer not ask questions pertaining to Izzy as he has requested certain questions not be asked In the past, but he chose not to do so. We now have a response from Izzy. He has nothing to be embarrassed about.

[melonhead87]

1 minute ago, NicDwolfwood said:

OF course you dont come out and say it as such..lol

 either dont show it in the interview. Or say something like "we couldnt come to terms where every party was happy with the agreements" some corporate professional bullshit like that. 

But to paint him as flaky or wacky clearly bothered Izzy enough that he felt so compelled as to swiftly come out and call them out for it. Clearly No one wins with this though. They all come out looking the ass for it. Confirms what many people already suspected(though its obvious) that this is about the $$. Money talks as the saying goes.

There's no right way to say it. Its a sensitive topic. Regardless of the answer, it will be analyzed to death and people will come to their own conclusion. Axl went out of his way and said Im not bashing anyone. The truth is you dont know when Izzy is coming or going. Popped in and out of UYI for MONEY. Showed up with Axl in 2006 for MONEY. Here again, MONEY. He enjoys the fact that he can walk away from things as he pleases. Thats his right. But then you cant walk back in and say okay I want the same money as you. 

[NicDwolfwood]

8 minutes ago, melonhead87 said:

He embarrassed himself. He sounds like a celebrity or teeny bopper running to twitter to fuel specualtion in the media. Thats a bitch move.

Everyone comes out looking the ass in this. Izzy and the Big 3 alike.

8 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

You have a point. It makes me utterly sick how corporate rock music is these days - the NITLT tour basically epitomises that. I must admit,  I'd have preferred Izzy to make is rejection on the principal of the tour being a nostalgia ridden cack fest with no trace of creativity, rather than an equal share of the ''loot'', but alas, there it is.  

Izzy is far from the little white lamb in all of this..history has shown that since he quit, the only thing that has moved him to do something with GNR has been propelled by a little bit of bread on the side...or alot of it, if we believe uncle Axl saying that he more or less extorted TB for some big $$ the last time he came out to play a few dates. (less than was agreed to I might add)

[melonhead87]

Just now, ironmt said:

He responded to a question answered about him In an Interview. Axl could have requested that the Interviewer not ask questions pertaining to Izzy as he has requested certain questions not be asked In the past, but he chose not to do so. We now have a response from Izzy. He has nothing to be embarrassed about.

Airing out dirty laundry on social media is public image 101. Childs play. 

[NicDwolfwood]

1 minute ago, melonhead87 said:

There's no right way to say it. Its a sensitive topic. Regardless of the answer, it will be analyzed to death and people will come to their own conclusion. Axl went out of his way and said Im not bashing anyone. The truth is you dont know when Izzy is coming or going. Popped in and out of UYI for MONEY. Showed up with Axl in 2006 for MONEY. Here again, MONEY. He enjoys the fact that he can walk away from things as he pleases. Thats his right. But then you cant walk back in and say okay I want the same money as you. 

True. as that seems to be the sticky point if we're to believe the word thats floating around on all of this. Like I said above, everyone comes out looking the ass.

[Modano09]

1 minute ago, NicDwolfwood said:

Everyone comes out looking the ass in this. Izzy and the Big 3 alike.

Izzy is far from the little white lamb in all of this..history has shown that since he quit, the only thing that has moved him to do something with GNR has been propelled by a little bit of bread on the side...or alot of it, if we believe uncle Axl saying that he more or less extorted TB for some big $$ the last time he came out to play a few dates. (less than was agreed to I might add)

And that's a significant detail. The last time he played for GNR he agreed to a deal, then before he actually showed up, demanded more money, which Team Brazil paid him without telling Axl just to make things go smoothly. So it goes to show that he will change his mind/back out of things and he does demand a lot of money. 

[DieselDaisy]

You are all missing the point.

This partnership is over. It ended,

You are all talking as if the partnership is continuing where it left off in December 1995.
 

Quote

 

"I’d left and formed a new partnership, which was only an effort to salvage Guns not steal it." (Axl, MyGNR, 12/14/08)

"This will serve as notice [that] effective [...] Decemeber 30th 1995, I will withdraw from the partnership. [...] I intend to use the name 'Guns N' Roses' in connection with a new group which I will form." (Slash & Duff v. Axl lawsuit document, 2004)

"He (Slash) has been 'OFFICIALLY and LEGALLY' outside of the Guns N' Roses Partnership since December 31, 1995." (Axl, 10/30/96)

 

The partnership ended when Axl withdrew from it as per the contract they all signed in either 1992 or 1993.

There is actually not much difference between Izzy's position and Slash and Duff's. The latter merely have a power on merchandise and licensing. They all receive publishing royalties.

 

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

It always seems to be about money. Damn!

So didn't Slash, Duff and the rest of the band get the same amount of money as Axl?  Not that any of them need the money, but it should have been equally divided.

Maybe down the line Izzy will feel different. He's still making money off GNR albums.

[ironmt]

1 minute ago, NicDwolfwood said:

Everyone comes out looking the ass in this. Izzy and the Big 3 alike.

Izzy is far from the little white lamb in all of this..history has shown that since he quit, the only thing that has moved him to do something with GNR has been propelled by a little bit of bread on the side...or alot of it, if we believe uncle Axl saying that he more or less extorted TB for some big $$ the last time he came out to play a few dates. (less than was agreed to I might add)

His motivation Is money and there Is not a thing wrong with that. When we show up for work we expect to be paid. The whole tour Is money motivated and all parties Involved are doing It strictly for the money. It certainly wasn't for the fans at $275.00 per ticket for a stadium seat.

[DieselDaisy]

6 minutes ago, NicDwolfwood said:

Everyone comes out looking the ass in this. Izzy and the Big 3 alike.

Izzy is far from the little white lamb in all of this..history has shown that since he quit, the only thing that has moved him to do something with GNR has been propelled by a little bit of bread on the side...or alot of it, if we believe uncle Axl saying that he more or less extorted TB for some big $$ the last time he came out to play a few dates. (less than was agreed to I might add)

I do not believe a lot Axl says (based on previous form) but I could well imagine Izzy wanted to be adequately compensated for those shows, and no doubt negotiated a cynical enough deal.

Well, they were never hippies!

[bigpoop]

Just now, Modano09 said:

And that's a significant detail. The last time he played for GNR he agreed to a deal, then before he actually showed up, demanded more money, which Team Brazil paid him without telling Axl just to make things go smoothly. So it goes to show that he will change his mind/back out of things and he does demand a lot of money. 

Yeah, according to Axl who we all know would never tell a bullshit story about people taking advantage of him. 

[ironmt]

8 minutes ago, melonhead87 said:

Airing out dirty laundry on social media is public image 101. Childs play. 

I guess Axl should have passed on the question then. If he would have he most likely wouldn't have gotten a response

[Billsfan]

24 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

If they wanted Izzy, Izzy wanted back, and money was agreed upon, Fortus isn't preventing that from happening. 

No, but he's not helping either 

[Modano09]

5 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

You are all missing the point.

This partnership is over. It ended,

You are all talking as if the partnership is continuing where it left off in December 1995.
 

The partnership ended when Axl withdrew from it as per the contract they all signed in either 1992 or 1993.

There is actually not much difference between Izzy's position and Slash and Duff's. The latter merely have a power on merchandise and licensing. They all receive publishing royalties.

 

Slash and Duff were still involved in a partnership of some sort, to some degree. Whatever legal issues or decisions in how the back catalog and merchandise was used involved Axl, Slash and Duff. 

[Frey]

5 hours ago, sjlgnr said:

YES!!!!!! AXL FANS ARE SHEEP, UNCRITICAL, OBEDIENT, OBSEQUIOUS SHEEP!!!!   Axl fans are the "Yes" men who made him think he could get away with taking 13 years to put out Chinese Democracy   And they still tell him that Chinese Democracy is a masterpiece -- after it flopped.   Axl fans will say anything, from any angle, to support whatever Axl is saying now.

5 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

The Axlites were very pro-Izzy when Izzy appeared with Nugnr in 2006 and 2012, saying things like, ''I always saw Izzy as more important than Slash; Axl and Izzy are childhood buddies and have that connection''. It was the Axl fans who liked to point out the multiple Stradlin/Rose songwriting credits (to the detriment of Slash, then labelled a 'cancer').

Axl fans are sheep.

3 hours ago, ZoSoRose said:

The Axl sheep mentality really baffles me.

I love Axl, Slash, Duff, Steven, the Nugnr guys, etc. Its ok to support people AND criticize them

I've barely seen ANYTHING in this thread that struck me as Axlite or sheepish behavior.

Just people trying to stay objective and not jump to conclusions and condemn people when we don't know shit about what actually went down. All we've heard are literally 2 short sentences, one from Axl and one from Izzy. I'm sure the situation isn't really that simple, because it never is. Reality tends to be more complex than the ridiculous black and white view some people here prefer to take.

Also it's funny how some people here are seeing imaginary Axlites while they practically lick Izzy's balls at the same time.

And I say that as someone who loves Izzy's solo work more than any of the other guys' output. And all things considered Izzy is probably my favorite Guns member.

But for god's sake the dude is not a saint either and his word isn't gospel. Liking Izzy and his work is not a reason to thrash the other three.

I'm not an Axlite and I never bashed Slash. In fact, I never liked NuGuns and have been hoping for a reunion all along. I basically think all of them are idiots and assholes to some extent (although Duff and Izzy less so than the other three). But apparently it's impossible for some people here to even try to stay objective when we barely know anything about the situation. Much easiere to call people who don't worship at Izzy's (or any of the other guys') feet Axlites of course.

 

1 hour ago, Asia said:

Izzy left 25 years ago and ever since then has done nothing for the band, its existence, its future, its integrity, its business and financial success, literally nothing. Never done anything that would require of him to get out of his comfort zone. Axl, Slash and Duff have been dealing with all the shit throughout this whole time.

People say Izzy left because he had to save himself, yes and so did Duff. Yet Duff then returned and once he got a chance of talking to Axl he quickly brought this band back. What did Izzy do in this respect? Being in contact with all of them all those years? The answer is nothing. Because he didn't care enough to make a slightest effort.

Why on earth would he get the same money as the three? That would just be crazy. I understand Duff and totally agree with him. The fact that he contributed (not singlehandedly wrote) the songs in 85 doesn't mean he should get the same reward as those who kept working hard to keep this business for another 30 years during which cool Izzy was engaged in avocado farming.

And, by the way, I'm not an Axlite, nor Slshlite, I cnsider NuGNR shit and always have.

1 hour ago, NicDwolfwood said:

Sticking to his guns(no pun intended) doesnt make Duff a wanker, or greedy. Whether we agree with their logic is fucking irrelevant. THEY feel he is not entitled to an even split. Even if Slash and Duff quit the touring and recording entity that is Guns N Roses. They didnt quit the Corporation that is GNR. Izzy Quit everything. It doesnt matter that he has a hand in lots of songs, doesnt matter that they play some of those songs. 

Yes. This is probably how Axl, Slash and Duff feel. And I can't blame them, I'd probably feel the same way.

As would anybody who isn't lying to themselves. If you spent 25 years working and taking care of a project, and then some guy who ditched the project comes back in and demands equal pay, you'd think it's ridiculous and say "no way".

 

50 minutes ago, NicDwolfwood said:

some of us are really too naive. Rock n Roll stopped being some shit you do with your buddies for fun during the 80's. the bands that didnt get fucked over and left with their asses in the wind were the ones that realized that shit is business, just as much as its art. Axl realized that early on from Jagger. and Duff came to understand that as well when he went to school, which is why he remained VERY involved in GNR as a corporation even if he wasnt part of the band anymore.. and Slash same thing, If not for the savvy of his lawyers, he would of been fucked out of the business partnership as well. 

Yes. Whether one likes it or not, a band as huge as Guns N Roses is a business, with all that it entails.

 

Edited September 8, 2016 by Frey

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

Okay did Izzy care about money when he played some Vegas shows or when he showed up to play the UK show?

I can see Axl getting more money because he wrote the CD songs, but I can't believe that money is the only reason. I think Izzy is leaving something out.

Hopefully if GNR continue to tour and work together, maybe they can come to an agreement that will be good for all the original members.

[Modano09]

7 minutes ago, bigpoop said:

Yeah, according to Axl who we all know would never tell a bullshit story about people taking advantage of him. 

Well Izzy said he did the shows in 1993 for money, and he's not doing this over money, so if someone accuses him of demanding a lot of money in 2006 I tend to believe it. 

[NicDwolfwood]

11 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

You are all missing the point.

This partnership is over. It ended,

You are all talking as if the partnership is continuing where it left off in December 1995.
 

The partnership ended when Axl withdrew from it as per the contract they all signed in either 1992 or 1993.

There is actually not much difference between Izzy's position and Slash and Duff's. The latter merely have a power on merchandise and licensing. They all receive publishing royalties.

 

Thats contradicted by what Marc Canter has said in the past. How Axl needed Slash and Duff's Ok for releasing the live DVD's he has put out with Nu-Guns. 

 

also contradicted Slash's book where he said his Lawyers came up with an agreement where he woudl retain his stake in the corporation. same thing with Duff.

[Tom2112]

43 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

The partnership was not created until after Izzy had left. In fact that is one of the reasons why Izzy left. There is an interview in which he states, Axl was getting him to sign various documentation - and this was supposed to be a rock n' roll band!

But you said it: 'corporation'. We have already heard words like 'brand' and 'marketing' thrown around by the hybrid supporters. ''Slash and Duff put hard work in, grafting like Trojans blah blah''. That is all there is left now, a business.

 

"Hybrid supporters" We're supporting reality, NOT what WE think should be reality. The hyrbid of old and new works! the band sounds great, so yeah! I will support it. 

"This was supposed to be a rock n roll band" Izzy did say something similar to this when he was citing why he left, but in saying that, Izzy showed the world exactly how naive he truly was / is. Even by the end of the AFD tour GnR were a corporation, they were quite insular, but nonetheless they were a business. They had staff, they sold merch, they worked with labels, signed legal agreements etc. all the things businesses do.

It's not as much fun to think about it in realistic terms, because we all love the mystical idea of 5 pirate rock stars not playing the game, and not giving a toss about business or percentages but that's just not the case. 

Izzy is talking about not getting paid enough money, SO he obviously learnt the value of business somewhere in the last 20 years... because if he was purely music driven, he'd be out doing the same as Steven... who would come out and play for free, let's face it! and he'd be smiling his head off. Izzy isn't greedy for asking for a fair share... but if he wasn't going to be doing the same amount of work on or off stage as the main 3, then he OBVIOUSLY doesn't qualify to receive the same amount of money as they do. 

I run a band, I pay the guys according to what they do. each member gets a fixed rate, and I get a little extra because I do all the bookings and grunt work. Now, if the guys in my band started to to look for gigs and help out in other areas, I would begin to pay more to whoever was doing the extra work (buying gear, organising rehearsals, recording, setting up the stage / gear etc). I don't pay anyone anymore or less than what they are worth: as in they are paid to play the material and entertain, so that's what they are paid for... nothing more. That's at the lowest level of the music business industry, so can you imagine what it's like when you're talking about a multi-million dollar tour? 

[NicDwolfwood]

11 minutes ago, ironmt said:

His motivation Is money and there Is not a thing wrong with that. When we show up for work we expect to be paid. The whole tour Is money motivated and all parties Involved are doing It strictly for the money. It certainly wasn't for the fans at $275.00 per ticket for a stadium seat.

most definitely. we're in agreement there. I have no problem with someone trying to stack their bread sky high. 

[guitarpatch]

6 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

You are all missing the point.

This partnership is over. It ended,

You are all talking as if the partnership is continuing where it left off in December 1995.
 

The partnership ended when Axl withdrew from it as per the contract they all signed in either 1992 or 1993.

There is actually not much difference between Izzy's position and Slash and Duff's. The latter merely have a power on merchandise and licensing. They all receive publishing royalties.

 

While technically true, that's a lot of power. Merchandise, branding, and also the control of the catalog and its rights. They make decisions on its use and exploitation. It's a big deal and big business for them. Izzy has no say if his song gets used in the new DiCaprio movie and how they should charge for its use. How much of an advance on a merch deal, etc...Thats not a big difference in position? 

Everyone has their publishing rights. Everyone gets paid what they're owed. No one is being short changed and ripped off for its past success on that front. No one is arguing that. 

[ZoSoRose]

6 minutes ago, Frey said:

I've barely seen ANYTHING in this thread that struck me as Axlite or sheepish behavior.

Just people trying to stay objective and not jump to conclusions and condemn people when we don't know shit about what actually went down. All we've heard are literally 2 short sentences, one from Axl and one from Izzy. I'm sure the situation isn't really that simple, because it never is. Reality tends to be more complex than the ridiculous black and white view some people here prefer to take.

Also it's funny how some people here are seeing imaginary Axlites while they practically lick Izzy's balls at the same time.

And I say that as someone who loves Izzy's solo work more than any of the other guys' output. And all things considered Izzy is probably my favorite Guns member.

But for god's sake the dude is not a saint either and his word isn't gospel. Liking Izzy and his work is not a reason to thrash the other three.

I'm not an Axlite and I never bashed Slash. In fact, I never liked NuGuns and have been hoping for a reunion all along. I basically think all of them are idiots and assholes to some extent (although Duff and Izzy less so than the other three). But apparently it's impossible for some people here to even try to stay objective when we barely know anything about the situation. Much easiere to call people who don't worship at Izzy's feet Axlites of course.

 

Yes. This is probably how Axl, Slash and Duff feel. And I can't blame them, I'd probably feel the same way.

As would anybody who isn't lying to themselves. If you spent 25 years working and taking care of a project, and then some guy who ditched the project comes back in and demands equal pay, you'd think it's ridiculous and say "no way".

 

Yes. Whether one likes it or not, a band as huge as Guns N Roses is a business, with all that it entails.

 

No one is as bad here as the nutters on other forums, but there are people who are clearly against Izzy on here just because he didn't bend to GNR's/Axl's will. It is what it is. 

Hopefully this will put a fire under him to go out and play a bit. He seems to have a band, hell, invite Matt to do it. That'd be cool

[NicDwolfwood]

1 minute ago, guitarpatch said:

While technically true, that's a lot of power. Merchandise, branding, and also the control of the catalog and its rights. They make decisions on its use and exploitation. It's a big deal and big business for them. Izzy has no say if his song gets used in the new DiCaprio movie and how they should charge for its use. How much of an advance on a merch deal, etc...Thats not a big difference in position? 

Everyone has their publishing rights. Everyone gets paid what they're owed. No one is being short changed and ripped off for its past success on that front. No one is arguing that. 

this. 

[DieselDaisy]

To a few posters, the Partnership Agreement is essentially just controls licensing. It isn't the band seeing as, Axl withdrew from it and formed a new partnership, i.e. nugnr (his words). It would not shock me if Slash and Duff were salaried to be honest, salaried musicians of (technically) Nugnr. It would certainly be a whopping salary but it would still be a salary.

Slash and Duff (and Axl) can veto and license GN'R material.

Izzy cannot.

That is the only difference.

[agustingloger]

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