DieselDaisy Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 17 minutes ago, Slash787 said: Izzy and Steven are NOT guests. And that is it in a nutshell. Izzy and Steven can never be guests at their own party. Steven was desperate obviously so agreed to a pay-as-you-go miserly two songs, and did a lot of stupid grin twitter photos with Frank and Melissa, but really he shouldn't have agreed either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: And that is it in a nutshell. Izzy and Steven can never be guests at their own party. Steven was desperate obviously so agreed to a pay-as-you-go miserly two songs, and did a lot of stupid grin twitter photos with Frank and Melissa, but really he shouldn't have agreed either. It was his dream to play with his friends, so this was his only chance, sadly his friends made him play only 2 of his OWN songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian girl Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 I ate avocado For lunch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkenchantress Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 24 minutes ago, Slash787 said: Well It seems that now Izzy has Zero chances of coming back, so well he should do some solo tours, I would really go and see him. Me too!! Im out of likes but I pretty much agree with DieselDaisy, Slash787 and k12 latest post . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsinindy Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 17 minutes ago, Slash787 said: It was his dream to play with his friends, so this was his only chance, sadly his friends made him play only 2 of his OWN songs. In all fairness you don't know that is how things went. So, you're speculating like everyone else. I doubt anyone "made" Steven do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesecake Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 7 minutes ago, Italian girl said: I ate avocado For lunch In all seriousness LOL me too! But with sardines, cukes, sundried tomatoes, and pickles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kira Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 1 hour ago, dalsh327 said: I could see Izzy going "how much is that girl (Melissa) getting...hell no I'm not getting less than she is, and I'm definitely not getting less than Dizzy's getting". He probably knows how much Mick Taylor was paid by the Stones and wanted to be paid accordingly. Duff brought a lot to the songs, maybe not to what Flea brings to the Chili Peppers, but he's not just a rhythmic bass player plonking away keeping in line with the drummer. I don't think they would have offered him less than Melissa or Dizzy. Whatever they offered him, it wasn't chump change. This is an ego thing, who is on par with who. I think izzy gambled on playing hardball and it backfired, and he's obviously pissed about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 On September 8, 2016 at 0:13 PM, Silent Jay said: Ask izzy What he would choose to prostitute himself to live with fortune and shame. It don't really matter Gonna find out for yourself No it don't really matter Izzy's gonna leave this thing to Somebody else 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 11 minutes ago, tsinindy said: In all fairness you don't know that is how things went. So, you're speculating like everyone else. I doubt anyone "made" Steven do anything. So Steven said Hey I will join for only 3 shows and only play 2 songs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsinindy Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, Slash787 said: So Steven said Hey I will join for only 3 shows and only play 2 songs? Doubt it....but apparently he agreed to perform at three shows, two songs at each show. I saw him at one with my own eyes. Apparently, like Izzy he could have said NO, but he agreed to do what he did....I didn't see anyone with a gun to his head forcing him out there myself, maybe I missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Just now, tsinindy said: Doubt it....but apparently he agreed to perform at three shows, two songs at each show. I saw him at one with my own eyes. Apparently, like Izzy he could have said NO, but he agreed to do what he did....I didn't see anyone with a gun to his head forcing him out there myself, maybe I missed it. I said Steven wanted to play with his friends and even if he was offered 1 song, he would not have said NO. I din't say Axl/Slash/Duff put a gun on his head or forced him to do. He wanted to play with his friends since the past 20 years and he did it. But Axl/Slash/Duff would have made the decision that how many shows or songs Steven would play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tsinindy Posted September 9, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Slash787 said: I said Steven wanted to play with his friends and even if he was offered 1 song, he would not have said NO. I din't say Axl/Slash/Duff put a gun on his head or forced him to do. He wanted to play with his friends since the past 20 years and he did it. But Axl/Slash/Duff would have made the decision that how many shows or songs Steven would play. I understand, and you know I'm cool with you but you did say his friends "made him play two songs". They didn't, he agreed to that as he could have said no. The point for Steven apparently it was more important for him to be a part of this somehow, some way. He had no leverage bc he was obviously willing to do and agree to whatever bone they were willing to throw him, but he wasn't "made" to do any of it, he agreed at the end of the day. izzy apparently did not agree to whatever it was he was offered, he said NO. Right or wrong, I don't know, I don't know all the facts to even begin to draw my own conclusion, I just have a lot of difficultly with everyone taking sides on this and they really don't know shit about what went down other than one vague comment Axl made in a 15 minute interview and Izzys one sentence retort. Theres obviously a lot more to all of this than any (or at least most) of us are privy too. i had heard from someone I consider very reliable person that Izzy was to play night 2 in LA. I heard this the day of the show from someone I know was there the whole day and said he saw Izzy there and at the last minute there was a falling out and that is why the band was several minutes late that particular evening. Now, with that all said, I believe this to be true bc this person just wouldn't say that or make stuff up like that, but...I'm not saying it is actually true bc I wasn't actually there and there has been no other reports of this to confirm it. I guess I don't condemn people for speculating, but no one really knows the facts around all this other than those in and close to the band and they aren't going to say shit. Edited September 9, 2016 by tsinindy 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy123 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 All I know is, some of ya'll are shitting all over members that days ago you were praising. It's ridiculous. At some point we'll find out the real truth and we'll probably all end up being wrong and this thread will remain, full of "you could take Duff out and the sound wouldn't have changed" (wtf) and "Izzy can't even play live" (um, what?) , etc. Or my personal fav - Duff and/or Steven should have turned down the reunion so that Izzy could have used them as leverage. Like ANY of us would have done that, lol. At least we all know how some of you feel about the members of your "favorite" band, good lord. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian girl Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 46 minutes ago, cheesecake said: In all seriousness LOL me too! But with sardines, cukes, sundried tomatoes, and pickles. mmmm good! call me next time! mine was more simpy.. salad and tomatoes.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fitha_whiskey Posted September 9, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2016 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: And that is it in a nutshell. Izzy and Steven can never be guests at their own party. Steven was desperate obviously so agreed to a pay-as-you-go miserly two songs, and did a lot of stupid grin twitter photos with Frank and Melissa, but really he shouldn't have agreed either. Come on man. Seriously. Izzy couldn't even be arsed, as you like to say, to tour his own music. Like not ever. But now he's gonna do equal work as far as planning, production, business work, whatever, as the other 3? All that behind the scenes shit the other 3 clearly have to done to put out such an incredible live show. Because if you want equal pay, you better do equal work. Including playing 2:30 long outdoor shows in America during a hot fuckin summer. Maybe he does want to. But he hasn't done much more than record songs at home for the past 25 years. This is about a world fuckin tour. Like the ones he always hated. *I love Izzy (and Adler). 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dally Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 10 minutes ago, Fitha_whiskey said: Come on man. Seriously. Izzy couldn't even be arsed, as you like to say, to tour his own music. Like not ever. But now he's gonna do equal work as far as planning, production, business work, whatever, as the other 3? All that behind the scenes shit the other 3 clearly have to done to put out such an incredible live show. Because if you want equal pay, you better do equal work. Including playing 2:30 long outdoor shows in America during a hot fuckin summer. Maybe he does want to. But he hasn't done much more than record songs at home for the past 25 years. This is about a world fuckin tour. Like the ones he always hated. *I love Izzy (and Adler). So spot on, if i remember corectly izzy said during the european dates back in 06 that just showing up for a few songs on selected shows was draining him. i realy love the guy, but he would never do a full world tour imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Kasanova King said: I believe he was supposedly spotted at the hotel before the Nashville show....along with the rest of the band. He supposedly seemed to be frustrated with Steven and was talking to Duff a lot. Which now, would make a lot of sense, if true...lol. Duff handles most of the business side of things within the band so it's plausible. At the time we thought that the girl that spotted them had mistaken Fortus as being Izzy...but looks like she may have been right. AND the Nashville show is when Axl made that comment to the fan that was holding up the "Where's Izzy" sign....and later, security took it away. This is some CSI: MYGNR shit right here.... My guess is that the girl had confused Izzy with Dizzy (iirc she's a casual), because Dizzy wasn't in the picture (she had referred to all except him) and maybe then she was embarrassed to admit that she was mistaken. Edited September 9, 2016 by Blackstar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -W.A.R- Posted September 9, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2016 Steven is probably the one with the most genuine intentions. i actually believe hes doing it for the fans rather than him being desperate. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshimura Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) They're waiting for the AFD 30 tour – they'll use this situation to hype the marketing (Which is already happening). Edited September 9, 2016 by yoshimura Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giuls Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 7 minutes ago, Blackstar said: My guess is that the girl had confused Izzy with Dizzy (iirc she's a casual), because Dizzy wasn't in the picture (she had referred to all except him) and maybe then she was embarrassed to admit that she was mistaken. No, actually, the guy also show her a photo of Dizzy and she identified him correctly but then one of the mods said Izzy wasn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 3 hours ago, Fitha_whiskey said: Fact: Izzy is the one who turned the conversation to money. Context: in response to being publically cunted off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikka Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 12 minutes ago, dally said: So spot on, if i remember corectly izzy said during the european dates back in 06 that just showing up for a few songs on selected shows was draining him. i realy love the guy, but he would never do a full world tour imo. And why is everybody talking about a world tour? We've heard about 4 dates only where he was supposed to appear. He could surely handle that... The fact that the other 3 couldn't bear to cut their wages for those 4 dates to accomodate him speaks volumes. Btw there's an interview with Izzy where he says he doesn't understand why he's got such bad rap when it comes to touring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 I don't know the full story but i still think it was a mistake. It means whatever izzy could offer them, and especially axl wasn't considered to be of enough worth. Izzy brings something unique and if art comes first and the integrity of the band is something that is respected than they would have given izzy what he wanted and probably could have kept fortus as well. I guess i can understand it cause it's money and a lot of it but it's such a shame. Im not mad though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) 24 minutes ago, dally said: So spot on, if i remember corectly izzy said during the european dates back in 06 that just showing up for a few songs on selected shows was draining him. i realy love the guy, but he would never do a full world tour imo. Yeah, he said this: Quote Izzy: I spent my summer vacation touring with Axl's new GUNS N' ROSES and had some fun playing live again. Amazing fans out there.... It's hard to believe at times. Fantastic! GNR tour: Axl and I connected via cell phone this year. I stopped by to see if he looked as old as he might be... Same age as myself, you know, and he looked great! It was nice to reconnect with an old friend/war buddy/fellow musician. I told him later I'd like to join the fun in some way and he said I was welcome to come and play something, so I did! Took me about three weeks to recover from the six weeks of touring!!!! But that's only normal... he is simply not used to that since he hasn't done a proper tour since the early 90's. And I can't imagine him returning to that... he's been out of the game for too long. Slash, Axl and Duff don't know any better... touring and playing crazy long live shows is something they never really stopped doing. Well, Axl stopped that for some time, but got back to that life again since the 2000's. Returning to that life style when you're in your mid 50's after not having done that for maybe 25 years is not something I see someone doing very easily. Especially not someone like Izzy who wants to be in charge of his own life and doesn't want to depend on other people. Edited September 9, 2016 by EvanG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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