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1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

The guy was reduced to playing in front of housewives and tourists in Vegas casinos. Perla needs alimony. There are your two reasons why this tour happened.

The Vegas thing isn't such a bad thing tho 2 runs of 10-12 shows in 13 years of new GN'R as a touring operation besides Kiss, Motley Crue and Def Leppard did it as well not that Motley and Leppard are in the same league as GN'R but hey :P 

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19 hours ago, liers said:

Here's a guess....

GnR as a business had no money in 2011. $14 million was spent on an album that didn't meet expectations and more money was likely spent on a follow up that was denied by the label in 2010. That's probably what pitman is owed for, work on CD2. Axl was probably going to pay him when it came out but that has yet to happen.

Axl had plenty of money because I'm sure he paid himself generously.

I run a business, I'm guessing GnR is run as a business. Axls money and the bands money should be separate. Axl should not be paying people with his money, he should be paying people with the bands money.

this is exactly it 

band had no money 

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19 hours ago, liers said:

Here's a guess....

GnR as a business had no money in 2011. $14 million was spent on an album that didn't meet expectations and more money was likely spent on a follow up that was denied by the label in 2010. That's probably what pitman is owed for, work on CD2. Axl was probably going to pay him when it came out but that has yet to happen.

Axl had plenty of money because I'm sure he paid himself generously.

I run a business, I'm guessing GnR is run as a business. Axls money and the bands money should be separate. Axl should not be paying people with his money, he should be paying people with the bands money.

But Axl is GNR! 

Jk your post was spot on...sorry I missed it.

Only thing is if they had lost $14 million on CD Axl would still be paying that back but Best Buy bailed them out and some of that $14 million went to CD 2 so technically CD2 wouldn't cost much considering it's done. 

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Who cares if they got back together for money? These 2016 performances have been spectacular, and there's obviously some level of friendship or else Axl would have vetoed Steven Adler and probably kept Chris Pitman. I feel like Slash and Duff made those two things happen, which we should all be thankful for. You can tell Axl also expressed his sadness over S+D not supporting him as a songwriter (waah) which is why Duff goes out of his way to bring up Chinese Democracy all the time. It's a way to build back trust and say, "We support you and want to record new music together."


I think it'll work out.

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58 minutes ago, Kickingthehabit said:

Who cares if they got back together for money? These 2016 performances have been spectacular, and there's obviously some level of friendship or else Axl would have vetoed Steven Adler and probably kept Chris Pitman. I feel like Slash and Duff made those two things happen, which we should all be thankful for. You can tell Axl also expressed his sadness over S+D not supporting him as a songwriter (waah) which is why Duff goes out of his way to bring up Chinese Democracy all the time. It's a way to build back trust and say, "We support you and want to record new music together."


I think it'll work out.

He kept Pitman until literally Pitman decided to force himself out. If he hadn't rant all over the internet he Would still Be here.

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I have a feeling there is a lot more to the entire Pitman situation. Which really came first- his Twitter rant or him being booted? Would he have really lipped off on Twitter if he was still in at that time? Even guys who were OUT kept their mouths shut. 

This saga is just beginning I think. Unfortunately.

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1 hour ago, AlterL said:

He kept Pitman until literally Pitman decided to force himself out. If he hadn't rant all over the internet he Would still Be here.

Why would he call them a shitty nostalgia act if he were still part of the band? Slash and Duff are in charge of the band's sound. Axl said that himself. They work with the drummer. They decide the rhythms and tempos. It wasn't working with Pitman, so they fired him. That's when he started bitching on twitter. He was told to remove the Coachella announcement because they knew he wasn't going to be included.

Just my opinion.

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5 minutes ago, Kickingthehabit said:

Why would he call them a shitty nostalgia act if he were still part of the band? Slash and Duff are in charge of the band's sound. Axl said that himself. They work with the drummer. They decide the rhythms and tempos. It wasn't working with Pitman, so they fired him. That's when he started bitching on twitter. He was told to remove the Coachella announcement because they knew he wasn't going to be included.

Just my opinion.

Yes, that makes the most sense to me.

It may explain the motivation to sue Axl. Now he figures anything new he worked on is gonna be RE-worked and his work erased, along with the engineer payday.

I agree with what others have said also- pay this fucker & be done with it.

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23 minutes ago, Hollywood Gunner said:

no but hes a dumbass if he worked for free for so long. he got paid. he wants more

Well, when you work around various contracts being paid X does not specifically cover contract X. IE, just because he wasn't paid the original sum promised, with Axl saying that he'd get the money in due course, that doesn't mean that he wasn't paid for later work done. It isn't as simple as whenever money was paid to Pitman that it must have automatically been for the earliest work; that isn't how contracts and business work.

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48 minutes ago, Kickingthehabit said:

Why would he call them a shitty nostalgia act if he were still part of the band? Slash and Duff are in charge of the band's sound. Axl said that himself. They work with the drummer. They decide the rhythms and tempos. It wasn't working with Pitman, so they fired him. That's when he started bitching on twitter. He was told to remove the Coachella announcement because they knew he wasn't going to be included.

Just my opinion.

One or two reasons I suppose for starters it could be the fact that someone pissed him of when they told him to take out the banner that at the time only GN'R Duff and Slash were using, it could be that he didn't get a raise during this tour or that there were actual issues beyond money and the marketing strategy of the band. After all Richard, Frank, Dizzy and Melisa all came from the later periods of the band and all kept their job, hell one of them even got a promotion.

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He claimed to be intoxicated, and if memory serves, delivered up a sort of apology or retraction, so, the circumstance behind his dismissal very much depend on whether his rant preceded, and therefore was the reason behind, or, posthumous to, his sacking. It is perfectly plausible that this was merely a case of in vino veritas.

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9 hours ago, shotsfired cro said:

does anyone have links to those mails or knows where there they could be seen??

The whole story of MSL and the memory drive is interesting and worth seeking out, but to sum it up,  somebody (supposedly) gave him a drive containing a massive amount of stolen GNR files and emails,  but they were never released publicly. All we got was a list of documents,  which you can view here: 

http://www.gunsnfnroses.com/index.php?/topic/2741-inside-axls-laptop/

 

 

And on topic,  Pitman was kind of a dick,  but if he was given an IOU for funds owed that was never fulfilled,  pay the man. 

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Pitman wants his 5 bucks so that he can buy a 6 pack of bud and post another drunken tweet.

On 9/14/2016 at 4:22 AM, maynard said:

Axl deserves this. He should've known since the beginning that ending GNR and hiring a lot of nobodies to play for him would come back to bite him in the ass sooner or later. Stupid mofo wasted his best years surrounded by assholes making shitty music. Should've apologized  to Slash a long time ago.

How can anyone call DJ Ashba an asshole?

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8 hours ago, IncitingChaos said:

But Axl is GNR! 

Jk your post was spot on...sorry I missed it.

Only thing is if they had lost $14 million on CD Axl would still be paying that back but Best Buy bailed them out and some of that $14 million went to CD 2 so technically CD2 wouldn't cost much considering it's done. 

Also, wasn't most of the cost for CD on the record label's dime, not Axl or GnR? I know they did put a halt to what they paid at some point, but I was under the impression that Universal was on the hook for most of that money.

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i love it how people keep saying axl didnt pay pitman lol isnt it supposed to be management that draws up contracts and then cuts the paycheck? if someone didnt get their fair share i highly doubt its because axl personally reneged on a deal but possibly due to shitty management? either that or mr. mother goose is full of shit

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1 hour ago, Hollywood Gunner said:

i love it how people keep saying axl didnt pay pitman lol isnt it supposed to be management that draws up contracts and then cuts the paycheck? if someone didnt get their fair share i highly doubt its because axl personally reneged on a deal but possibly due to shitty management? either that or mr. mother goose is full of shit

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MSL forum brings up an interesting point about Pitman. Apparently he was the person who stole the music samples for Riad that led to a lawsuit against GNR/Axl. Seems Pitman has left himself open for liability on this issue and it creates leverage for Axl in any negotiation with Pitman. "You want $160,000? How about the $1 million you cost me in damages for copyright theft?" 

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7 hours ago, GNRfan2008 said:

MSL forum brings up an interesting point about Pitman. Apparently he was the person who stole the music samples for Riad that led to a lawsuit against GNR/Axl. Seems Pitman has left himself open for liability on this issue and it creates leverage for Axl in any negotiation with Pitman. "You want $160,000? How about the $1 million you cost me in damages for copyright theft?" 

When was the Riad case?  California's statute of limitations likely ran out on that case, so there's no counterclaim option.  Also, Pitman may have been protected under a principal-agent relationship w his employer.  Doubtful he has exposure.

 

 California statute of limitations is 4 years on contract & my understanding is he's looking for damages from 2012, so Pitman had to file now.  He was only given the boot a few months ago, so there's nothing nefarious with his timing of the lawsuit.

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48 minutes ago, hellobeatle said:

When was the Riad case?  

It seems it was in 2009.

I also remember that in the lawsuit, they mentioned the name Bill Bailey a couple of times and Axl was pretty much hurt by it or something.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/lawsuit-claims-guns-n-roses-stole-from-ulrich-schnauss-on-chinese-democracy-20091005

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