double talkin jive mfkr Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I have to admit I'm an avid conspiracy dude and one that has started to manifest itself from just me thinking hey maybe, that's why the band imploded and broke up were things far more obscure and in the shadows of world government etc that wanted axl and gnr to crumble down Axl performed Civil War for the first time in 1990 prior to the Gulf war and this probably struck a chord with COINTELPRO operatives that may have targetted Axl and the band to break up. Reaching the peak of their height Axl probably had one of the most powerful platforms to protest war or any other socialist anti government endeavor. Could it be that certain yes people and bad influences were placed around Axl to alienate him from the band and to ultimately create discord so that the band would break up. Seems plausible when there is not one specific reason why the band broke up and Axl seemed to have changed personas from a purpose driven leader to a deranged madman once the illusion era took off. I know this may be out of left field but, just saying...it's been done to many other rock stars and rappers, except their fates were met far more controversially. Now it seems Axl has pretty much sold out for the $ and is also giving the fans what they want, but his desire for world change seems completely absent since Civil War was recorded. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I think you're on to something, and I'm betting Elvis was involved too somehow. And of course the aliens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendez Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I dont think his desire for changing the world has been absent. I remember him speaking out about certain issues and even released a letter last year addressed to of Indonesia against the (possibly inhumane) execution of drug smugglers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babooshka Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 The premise itself isn't a conspiracy theory. This has happened to various artists, notably James Brown. Who became too much of a figurehead for African-Americans in the 50s, and was basically destroyed by the IRS and CIA. Could it have happened to GNR/Axl? Possibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Babooshka said: The premise itself isn't a conspiracy theory. This has happened to various artists, notably James Brown. Who became too much of a figurehead for African-Americans in the 50s, and was basically destroyed by the IRS and CIA. Could it have happened to GNR/Axl? Possibly. exactly - makes no sense - seems like he was perhaps targeted but now the loot is everything, maybe he'll snap out of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooker Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Yeah that's it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 15 hours ago, cooker said: Yeah that's it... yeah i know that's what fucking sucks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEPTEM Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Back on 94 my uncle told me this: " gnr is too big and their influence on people from 13 to 25 years old is way to huge and deep, specialy axl.. the only time ive saw something like that was with the beatles, and u.s goverment broke them as a band and then they tried to broke the most dangerous beatle: lennon. When they failed on that, well, u know the story. So i dont think gnr is gonna last any longer, and if they do, axl is in real danger" A few months after he told me that cobain died, then axl disapears and the band broke up. ( but we "officially " found out that on 96). They all (except for axl) did things in music bussines, but axl just disapeared, he became a ghost or something for years. Then it took sooo long to release. "CHINESE DEMOCRACY", im not buying the "perfectionist crazy loon excuse" for that. Many of u say : i wish this reunion would have happened 10 or 15 years a go.. Maybe they werent allowed to do that. Sadly , i know how politics works, the goverments ways of controling people ( specialy china, russia, usa, england, etc) Dont ignore this topic, is waaaayy more important than most o u think. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted September 23, 2016 Author Share Posted September 23, 2016 18 hours ago, SEPTEM said: Back on 94 my uncle told me this: " gnr is too big and their influence on people from 13 to 25 years old is way to huge and deep, specialy axl.. the only time ive saw something like that was with the beatles, and u.s goverment broke them as a band and then they tried to broke the most dangerous beatle: lennon. When they failed on that, well, u know the story. So i dont think gnr is gonna last any longer, and if they do, axl is in real danger" A few months after he told me that cobain died, then axl disapears and the band broke up. ( but we "officially " found out that on 96). They all (except for axl) did things in music bussines, but axl just disapeared, he became a ghost or something for years. Then it took sooo long to release. "CHINESE DEMOCRACY", im not buying the "perfectionist crazy loon excuse" for that. Many of u say : i wish this reunion would have happened 10 or 15 years a go.. Maybe they werent allowed to do that. Sadly , i know how politics works, the goverments ways of controling people ( specialy china, russia, usa, england, etc) Dont ignore this topic, is waaaayy more important than most o u think. there you go..a lot of people are so dismissive and don't realise the truth behind many things because we're programmed through the media - i always wonder where or what the fuck was axl up to from 96-2001? Completely disappeared face of planet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good, Fuck'n, Night. Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 31 minutes ago, Good, Fuck'n, Night. said: Out of likes lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Wtf kind of conspiracy theory is this? But well Chinese Democracy doesn't melt steel beams. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@xlRose Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 well, i think this theory isnt that far away on one side, GNR was the most influential band in the world right in the 90s and the release of Civil war, an anti-war track, could get the government involved Since the release of UYI everything went down. Slash said that axl became suddenly a "more exagerrated version of himself" since the tour started doing everything he wanted, making izzy leave and taking control of every aspect in the band. In other words he "kicked" everyone out and despite saying that he wanted GNR to be the as biggest as they possible could We don't know Axl's version of the break up, the only thing we have of him is his solo album "Chinese democracy", maybe some parts of some songs say something about this hypothetical situtation(catcher?) or even the album title. you 've got to realize that many pacifist like gandhi, john lennon, luther king got shot so maybe axl was in danger as you guys already said But in the other hand since he was a young boy axl was a pretty fucked up dude cause of his childhood, bipolar and all that shit so maybe it was his fault, was himself without anyone else coercing that destroyed gnr, we will never know 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Yeah Axl was in danger, he was in danger from HIMSELF! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 On 9/25/2016 at 1:11 PM, Slash787 said: Yeah Axl was in danger, he was in danger from HIMSELF! it may come to people's attention that perhaps someone like doug goldstein was axl's handler or at least connected to him to the wrong type of people, even the whole spiritual quest seems like axl was entirely taken advantage of - he must've been a target to take advantage of his psychological deviances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted September 29, 2016 Author Share Posted September 29, 2016 this topic should get more credence rather than being stored in civil war axl was also involved or in talks with NWA or Public Enemy? imagine how fucking awesome that would be, i think axl should've done that for sure whatever they were trying to do, would've been fucking awesome I think to have eazy and axl on the same tune rappers were mega targeted around this time, maybe axl was too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedish Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Interesting topic, I don't belive that's what happened but some part of it actually makes a bit of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 I believe Duff and Slash have both said it then a ton of odd ball people with hidden agendas got between them and axl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babooshka Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Yeah, Duff said they were surrounded by people playing divide and conquer. I've always wondered what he meant, and even if it isn't something totally nefarious, I still believe the people around them played a significant part in band's demise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted October 8, 2016 Author Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) I’m going to guess that around 1991 Axl was mega targeted and the whole Yoda thing was also used to fuck with his mind and create further division. This other call from howard stern is very telling as well - how did he get his number. There was no point to the call other than to place thoughts in axl's head on him being the most important in the band and the others as little pawns. Very purposeful call it seems and all useless at the same time. Edited October 8, 2016 by double talkin jive mfkr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babooshka Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Wasn't it Beta who brought Yoda into the fold? I like a good conspiracy theory, but the Stern thing is a stretch. And in the end Axl was receptive to such comments because it's what he wanted to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 i think the howard stern call is extremely telling based on how axl initially reacts it and is backing his band, it was done purposefully to reinforce or even plant that seed in his head further 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEPTEM Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Someone related to the band said recently " axl was a mind changer icon" ( the guy was mad about axl joining acdc) Its beyond obvius that something really weird and out of our knowledge happened with gnr in 1994. I'll never forget that year, most people know that cobain didnt killed himself. And i dont think that gnr going separated ways that same year is a coincidence U guys remember that axls obsession for having guns everywhere,even under his bed. I think thats soooo related with all of this. If gnr wouldnt have split, we probably may be talking about "who killed axl" so.. "CHINESE DEMOCRACY" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted October 11, 2016 Author Share Posted October 11, 2016 3 hours ago, SEPTEM said: Someone related to the band said recently " axl was a mind changer icon" ( the guy was mad about axl joining acdc) Its beyond obvius that something really weird and out of our knowledge happened with gnr in 1994. I'll never forget that year, most people know that cobain didnt killed himself. And i dont think that gnr going separated ways that same year is a coincidence U guys remember that axls obsession for having guns everywhere,even under his bed. I think thats soooo related with all of this. If gnr wouldnt have split, we probably may be talking about "who killed axl" so.. "CHINESE DEMOCRACY" holy shit right its true, what the hell did happen in 94 - 95 was sympathy but there was absolutely zero trace of the band or axl (other than come together)...slipped off the face of the earth - biggest band in the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNRfan2008 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Sometimes the truth is very simple. GN'R became too popular too fast and they weren't able to handle that success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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