cooker Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Not everything is a conspiracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babooshka Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 12 hours ago, GNRfan2008 said: Sometimes the truth is very simple. GN'R became too popular too fast and they weren't able to handle that success. Agreed. In a way it makes it crazier. That they fell out hard and wasted so much time over so little. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEPTEM Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I agree, not everything is a conspiracy.. But im beyond sure there is a hell of a huge conspiracy behind the "weird 1994". ( cobain, gnr, etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted October 11, 2016 Author Share Posted October 11, 2016 4 hours ago, SEPTEM said: I agree, not everything is a conspiracy.. But im beyond sure there is a hell of a huge conspiracy behind the "weird 1994". ( cobain, gnr, etc) yeah cobain was snuffed out fbi wanted him out and axl probably had been raising quite a few alarms, some of his speeches in the concerts resonated with a lot of people, everyone wanting to be him - he was king of the castle then BOOM nothing i never really understood what the hell happened with his falling out with Slash, it doesn't make sense that if they had enjoyed so much success then how would they not be able to make it work when axl says slash wrote a bunch of stuff that never happened - there must've been disinformation spread widely back then when the internet didn't have a hold of things yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 On 10/11/2016 at 2:07 PM, GNRfan2008 said: Sometimes the truth is very simple. GN'R became too popular too fast and they weren't able to handle that success. Because of aliens, and the US Government no less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 5 hours ago, DR DOOM said: Because of aliens, and the US Government no less. ya way to go in auto dismiss mode and not even use your head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlsFavoriteRose Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 On 9/20/2016 at 0:39 PM, EvanG said: I think you're on to something, and I'm betting Elvis was involved too somehow. And of course the aliens. oh yes of course the aliens were involved. Jim Morrison too. they are now conferring with Michael Jackson as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 On 10/12/2016 at 3:39 AM, double talkin jive mfkr said: ya way to go in auto dismiss mode and not even use your head k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexC Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Is this a joke? @double talkin jive mfkr you certainly are double talkin' jive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 5 hours ago, AlexC said: Is this a joke? @double talkin jive mfkr you certainly are double talkin' jive. LOL no it isn't - i really think Axl's ego was targeted by establishment to alienate band members and ultimately disintegrate the band Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexC Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 2 hours ago, double talkin jive mfkr said: LOL no it isn't - i really think Axl's ego was targeted by establishment to alienate band members and ultimately disintegrate the band That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. And not just about Guns N' Roses. I mean EVER. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 hour ago, AlexC said: That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. And not just about Guns N' Roses. I mean EVER. lot of people called einstein stupid but hey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexC Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 hour ago, double talkin jive mfkr said: lot of people called einstein stupid but hey No they didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted December 17, 2016 Author Share Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/6/2016 at 9:34 PM, AlexC said: No they didn't. ok smart guy u explain why GNR completely dissapeared off the face of the planet in 94 then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerry Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) On 9/22/2016 at 9:10 PM, double talkin jive mfkr said: there you go..a lot of people are so dismissive and don't realise the truth behind many things because we're programmed through the media - i always wonder where or what the fuck was axl up to from 96-2001? Completely disappeared face of planet Maybe he was crushed from Slash and duff leaving the band and said f this didn't know where to take the band still had the name now what.... Interesting discussion though Edited June 4, 2017 by jerry Add more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 On 6/3/2017 at 10:11 PM, jerry said: Maybe he was crushed from Slash and duff leaving the band and said f this didn't know where to take the band still had the name now what.... Interesting discussion though i think slash was also targeted - in the end axl should've come to his senses and reformed the group solely with izzy as his partner and the other additional bandmates being buckethead duff sorum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papashaun Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 I don't think there is any kind of Government Conspiracy or anything....the track "My World" should imply part of the band's problem..... It's known that Axl started getting into NIN and Industrial music pretty heavily, and I honestly think he just wanted to take what to him was "his" band in a different direction to stay in tune with popular music of that time. Slash has even stated in interviews that the band had gone from 5 guys having fun/playing in a band, to a huge production that began featuring baby grand pianos on stage, back-up singers, etc....when he just wanted the fun rock and roll band, himself. I think it's more creative differences/egos/drugs more than anything between the members. As far as not hearing anything out of Axl from '96-'01.....look how much the music scene changed during that time......"Grunge" was already phasing out by the late 90s, given birth to "Slop Rock" and "Nu-Metal." You heard some electronica/industrial music in rock/metal from bands like Prodigy, Rammstein, NIN, Marilyn Manson, and even Smashing Pumpkins featured some form of that on their late albums. Other bands like Limp Bizkit, Korn, Slipknot, Incubus, etc....started becoming hugely popular from a "new" sound. Bands that sound similar to Guns, with a hard-rock basis were completely non-existent at this time as well (Skid Row for example.) Is it possible that Axl just sat back to escape the spotlight/rigors of touring for a bit, check out the music scene, and try new material to see what direction he wanted "his band" to go in, in comparison with music of that time?? Think about it....Slash was still making music around this time with Slash's Snakepit...and it wasn't exactly tearing up the charts/he was touring smaller venues/clubs. Izzy's solo effort didn't hit big at all with the general public. Even other successful bands had to change direction/sound to try and stay relevant: Metallica's Load Album, Motley Crue firing Vince Neil/hiring John Carobi, even Dangerous Toys tried to go "Grunge" for an album. The "Oh My God" single released on the End of Days Soundtrack also shows what Axl wanted to steer GnR toward, and was in tune with the style that was popular at that time. I really don't think there is any kind of conspiracy; only egos, creative differences, the struggle with fame/wealth, and musical tasted that led to the "demise" during this time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike322 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Good thread, very I intriguing stuff. It does make me think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 yeah, im gonna guess that Goldstein was a government hired spook along with TB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwick1 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Great thread reading. As much as it pains me to say. I believe it was huge egos and creative differences. The Stern interview is interesting. But I doubt it was Stern that placed the seed in Axl's head about distribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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