Słash Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Thank God someone din't post any videos from Rio 2011 LOLOLOLOLOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I wish the full song was filmed, hell I wish more of the Canada 2010 tour was filmed in general. I was at the show the night before this, he was insane on IRS then too. And this is for @Slash787, it's not Rio but still 2011 (I had a blue one ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) 13 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said: I hate it when he doesn't says What I'd tell you at the end of the song, the song just feels incomplete. Edited September 22, 2016 by Slash787 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 On 9/21/2016 at 7:21 AM, kanecrescente said: Is this some kind of joke? 1) the majority of the vocals from this gig were heavily edited prior to release 2) The layer of vocals in this song which are quite audibly Axl's from the night are distinctively 'Mickey' throughout 3) There's so many layers added vocally that you can hardly tell what's being said at times Re-recorded vocals? Are you talking about the backing vocals and backing track vocals that were on EVERY date of the tour? Those vocals are live and unedited. Bands don't go back into the studio to fix live dates that aren't going to be released. Also, GNR didn't even fix Appetite for democracy so they DEFINITELY didn't fix the London gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 The 2001-2002 and 2011-2014 stuff is really hard to watch now and I'd rather forget it happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 15 hours ago, ToonGuns said: 2001-2004 era was only good NuGnR live era. exactly the band actually sounded good and axl was motivated on stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 1 minute ago, double talkin jive mfkr said: exactly the band actually sounded good and axl was motivated on stage The only good thing about that Era was Buckethead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Slash787 said: I hate it when he doesn't says What I'd tell you at the end of the song, the song just feels incomplete. I like the earlier versions, 01, 02 & 06 were the best IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 13 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said: (I had a blue one ) LOL, did Axl make any comments about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Slash787 said: LOL, did Axl make any comments about it? Him and the band seemed to think it was cool/funny. He was in a good mood that night, probably because Duff was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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maynard Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I could've considered 2001-2002 a real original band if they had released a great modern, industrial, metal album a la OMG. Axl had all the tools. BH, Brain and Finck were perfect for the job. But he chose to use them to cover 99% of AFD in semi-tours. 06-07 had a back to hard rock Axl still featuring Finck on guitar - interesting cover band. It wa great to listen to Better, Axl's only good song. 09-14 - Axl singing great, hired band was a catastrophe. CD was a disappointment. Dark years to be an Axl fan. I'm glad GNR returned and Axl finished his solo career, also called GNR. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonGuns Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 7 minutes ago, maynard said: I could've considered 2001-2002 a real original band if they had released a great modern, industrial, metal album a la OMG. Axl had all the tools. BH, Brain and Finck were perfect for the job. But he chose to use them to cover 99% of AFD in semi-tours. Yep. What a waste. To be honest I was more "excited" by the band then. Although the reunion is great, it is just yet another permutation of the same band playing the same permutation of songs. At the time, and since, "NuGnr" received much criticism, in my opinion some justified and much not, however 2000-2003 ish (before messed tours and Buckethead leaving) was the only real line up that could have been a true exciting "band". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanecrescente Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Tom2112 said: Re-recorded vocals? Are you talking about the backing vocals and backing track vocals that were on EVERY date of the tour? Those vocals are live and unedited. Bands don't go back into the studio to fix live dates that aren't going to be released. Also, GNR didn't even fix Appetite for democracy so they DEFINITELY didn't fix the London gig. Yes, they really did fix it... Look at fan filmed footage of songs like YCBM compared to the published version and tell me it's not fixed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynard Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 40 minutes ago, ToonGuns said: Yep. What a waste. To be honest I was more "excited" by the band then. Although the reunion is great, it is just yet another permutation of the same band playing the same permutation of songs. At the time, and since, "NuGnr" received much criticism, in my opinion some justified and much not, however 2000-2003 ish (before messed tours and Buckethead leaving) was the only real line up that could have been a true exciting "band". Yeah I could say I agree with you although I enjoy the reunion for what it is. It would also be important that the 2001 lineup had a good Axl on vocals, which was not the case. Knowing he was in such a poor form makes it less hurtful to think about the wasted potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 The only good thing to say about Nugnr is that, for the first period at least (say, c. 1999 - 2002, diminishing thereafter) Axl still seemed to care about releasing new material on some considerable scale. He has sadly never really cared much since!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tom2112 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 1 hour ago, kanecrescente said: Yes, they really did fix it... Look at fan filmed footage of songs like YCBM compared to the published version and tell me it's not fixed.. No, it's not fixed. Are you talking about the video synch not being exact? I see that. However what I hear is a very mickey Axl who's out of breath... if he was in the studio he would not be out of breath, and he would be much stronger vocally. Band DO NOT re-record live shows that aren't intended for release. How do I know it wasn't going to released? I don't, maybe at one point it was on the table... but! listen to the mix? It's a really rough mix (I'd consider this unmixed), not even half as good as the streams available from a Rock AM Ring gig. If Axl was replacing vocals, the live show would have been mixed to a better standard first, and then he would have put his vocal over it. Replacing a live vocal is a pain, especially if you're going to do it well. Watching both nights from London 2012 and then comparing them to the pro shot shows me that there was no fixing. Did they need fixing for a release? IMO, yes! but this is a direct feed with no changes. Again, If Axl didn't bother replacing flubs on AFD (His or the bands) then he definitely wasn't going to do it for London. If you still think you're right, find me the exact clips, so we know 100% that we're both hearing the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 This thread in 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: The only good thing to say about Nugnr is that, for the first period at least (say, c. 1999 - 2002, diminishing thereafter) Axl still seemed to care about releasing new material on some considerable scale. He has sadly never really cared much since!! 2006 Axl was into the idea of releasing music, and he was definitely motivated... The record didn't get finished 'til the end of 2007, but! he was on the road throughout 2006 and a good part of 07 so that delay wasn't the worst, and then he had to negotiate for ever after he handed over the record to finalise release agreements, artwork etc. I think Nugnr 2006-2010 was the band at it's peak (not talking about gnrs whole career just nuGnR), 1999-2004 was a band incapable of getting its shit together, the leader was all over the place and not really fit, whereas 2006-2010 had a leader who was focussed and nailing it, alongside a band that was getting tighter and tighter the more they played together. by 2009 the band sounded incredible despite DJ's hiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, Tom2112 said: 2006 Axl was into the idea of releasing music, and he was definitely motivated... The record didn't get finished 'til the end of 2007, but! he was on the road throughout 2006 and a good part of 07 so that delay wasn't the worst, and then he had to negotiate for ever after he handed over the record to finalise release agreements, artwork etc. That is just all Axley bollocks. The record was finished in 2001 but Axl couldn't bring himself to plonk the songs on a disc and hand it to the record company, content to ruin the thing with overdubs. 2006-07 was a pointless tour - although his voice was good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooker Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) 8 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: That is just all Axley bollocks. The record was finished in 2001 but Axl couldn't bring himself to plonk the songs on a disc and hand it to the record company, content to ruin the thing with overdubs. 2006-07 was a pointless tour - although his voice was good. Diesel you are such an Axlite. Edited September 22, 2016 by cooker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 7 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: That is just all Axley bollocks. The record was finished in 2001 but Axl couldn't bring himself to plonk the songs on a disc and hand it to the record company, content to ruin the thing with overdubs. 2006-07 was a pointless tour - although his voice was good. I agree, the record was pretty much ready to go by 2001, at least from whatever information we have available. 2006-7 tour was probably supposed to build hype - It did. But the hype should have been met directly with a release in 2006, not late 2008. We can all agree on that. In saying all that, we just don't know for FACT why the release took so long when the record was practically finished 7 years before it's eventual release. We have put it together that Axl was taking his merry time getting to the studio, but I would bet there was a LOT of back and forth between the Axl and the label, arguing how to the handle to record. I bet that the real behind the delay was just that Axl didn't believe the label would work the record the way he wanted them to, and that he was willing to wait them out until they came around... the final release of the record probably happened because the cost of waiting eventually got so much that Axl had no choice financially but to release the record, even though he still wasn't happy with how things were being dealt with. BUT i don't know any of that to be true, it's just my guess. One day we'll get the 80,000 word Axl Rose tell all, and we'll know everything . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I disagree as well like everybody else in this thread. I appreciate the "nuGNR could have been great if Axl didn't sit on his fat ass and eat Taco Bell all day" comment too. Real original and I'm sure it wasnt for cheap likes or anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 On September 21, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Original said: Yes- 1994 until April 2016 was a long joke. There ya go. All you need for guns n roses to be guns n roses is Axl slash and duff. Anyone else is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 3 hours ago, Slash787 said: The only good thing about that Era was Buckethead. wrong, they had the best drummer next to steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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