AxlRoseCDII Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 37 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: In my defense, when I was twelve and a complete GN'R nutter, I hated Knockin' On Heaven's Dawawa. I do not understand how anyone who is serious about music can say things like ''way better than the original'' however so I will dismiss your post with all the disdain that it deserves. I am very serious about music and it's my genuine opinion. I like the Guns version better, they have a special ability to take covers and make it their own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modano09 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 What's the story behind the voice mail message or whatever is thrown in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOSSY78 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I like GnR version better. They gave the song life and amped it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I think I heard Dylan's version on Dylan N The Dead? Axl's story about Bob was like setting the tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 5 hours ago, AxlRoseCDII said: I am very serious about music and it's my genuine opinion. I like the Guns version better, they have a special ability to take covers and make it their own. I strongly disagree with the argument that the original version of a song is always the best no matter what. Yes, a cover CAN be better. I like Dylan's, but when I want to listen to KOHD, I will automatically go to a GN'R live performance of the song. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpax Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, Carne_asaDA said: I don't like the piano and choir or any backup singers for that matter on the song. But any Gnr version is not better than Bob Dylan's. GnRs Version from 91-93 is the best out there. Dylan would be only a solid songwriter without the covers of GnR, Hendrix, Stones, etc. His lyrics are totally overrated with regard to his nobel price. While saying this: since 1994 this song is god damn awful. Horrible transformation by Axl and the band. Edited October 31, 2016 by maxpax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 6 minutes ago, maxpax said: GnRs Version from 91-93 is the best out there. Dylan would be only a solid songwriter without the covers of GnR, Hendrix, Stones, etc. His lyrics are totally overrated with regard to his nobel price. Absolute garbage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobrettm Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Not sure If I ever read this or not, but did GNR ever share any insight or info on communication with Dylan for this song? I know Bob is incredibly private and rarely communicates with the media, but has anything ever been said about Dylan's thoughts on GNR's version of KOHD? I know Dylan has previously stated that the Jimi Hendrix version of All Along the Watchtower is the "way it needs to be played, anything similar said regarding KOHD? Axl a Dylan fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 21 minutes ago, Cobrettm said: Not sure If I ever read this or not, but did GNR ever share any insight or info on communication with Dylan for this song? I know Bob is incredibly private and rarely communicates with the media, but has anything ever been said about Dylan's thoughts on GNR's version of KOHD? I know Dylan has previously stated that the Jimi Hendrix version of All Along the Watchtower is the "way it needs to be played, anything similar said regarding KOHD? Axl a Dylan fan? Axl told a story where Dylan asked him when the cover was coming out. Axl said something. Then Dylan says I don't really care I just want the money. I think this goes along with Jaggers influence on Axl to treat it like a business. Even Lennon and McCartney bitched about money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterNo Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Honestly, is there really anybody out there that thinks of Bob Dylan when somebody mentions KOHD? Dylan's fans excluded. Highly doubt it. Most people connect KOHD with GNR, don't even know it's not their song, and think of this: Not the best version for a hardcore GNR fans, but a very popular one, often argued as one of the best live performances ever. Even with the reggae IMO, Bob's version is just good, GNR took it to a whole new level of greatness. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DieselDaisy Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 13 minutes ago, MisterNo said: Honestly, is there really anybody out there that thinks of Bob Dylan when somebody mentions KOHD? Dylan's fans excluded. Highly doubt it. Most people connect KOHD with GNR, don't even know it's not their song, and think of this: Not the best version for a hardcore GNR fans, but a very popular one, often argued as one of the best live performances ever. Even with the reggae IMO, Bob's version is just good, GNR took it to a whole new level of greatness. Complete and utter tripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpoop Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 It was great with the ragged rock n roll feel the original band gave it. Original meaning with Izzy and Adler. None of the other line ups have been able to do it properly. They should have dropped it ages ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2sublime Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Guns version all the way. The Ritz version which I heard first is a classic, the studio version from UYI II and Days of Thunder is great, and the live versions of the 80's and 90's especially were great. I have a deep respect for Dylan but Guns made it their own. Both versions have merit but to me it will always be a Guns N' Roses song. I wish they would pick up the tempo with it live but it is cool they have mixed the Nu GNR and old versions basically with their new take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 (edited) I like the ritz 1988 version, but other then that I think it's not a good cover. They didn't really preserve the magic of the original. It's such a Dylan song, you gotta make it fit, like Jimi did so well with All Along The Watchtower. Even playing it more ferocious like Killing Floor or keep it close to the original with Lonely Hearts club band and that took him less than a day. Anyway... they missed the mark with that one. I'm glad it exists though, but Richard made me hate it tbh. I really like Richard but this song has become the answer to all my bladder problems after enough beers have been drank. It's perfect. Especially with Fortus trying to convince you to take your own life and be free from the 10 minute noodling on the 3 chords progression. Even Axl changed it in 2001 and 2002 back to be more similar to the original version. It's a casual crowd pleaser though. I hate that some tunes must be played in every show, but it's just the nature of the best. Guns is a commercial band. KOHD is the worst though. Edited November 2, 2016 by Rovim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tadsy Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 On 30 October 2016 at 3:59 AM, DieselDaisy said: ''Knock knock knockin' on heaven's dawawawa.'' It is quite awful really in comparison to Bob's, and seems to last an eternity when watching Guns play it live. I'm struggling to figure out why you hang out on a guns n roses forum when 99% of what you say daily is negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tadsy Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Love the Video of the Freddie Mercury concert of this. Axl is just full rock star in that moment. The song itself is my favorite cover of any of theirs. Closely followed by Live n Let die! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpax Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Here in Europe KOHD is GnRs live performance 3 hours ago, MisterNo said: Honestly, is there really anybody out there that thinks of Bob Dylan when somebody mentions KOHD? Dylan's fans excluded. Highly doubt it. Most people connect KOHD with GNR, don't even know it's not their song, and think of this: Not the best version for a hardcore GNR fans, but a very popular one, often argued as one of the best live performances ever. Even with the reggae IMO, Bob's version is just good, GNR took it to a whole new level of greatness. At least in Europe this performance is GnRs biggest moment in their caree enr. Before I was a GnR Fan i always thought this was a GnR concert. Its one of the best live performances in rock ever. It made a lot of viewers GnR fans. Perfect Intro, perfect Crowd, Axl at his best...the song defines GnR...actually overproduced with Roberta and Tracy and the Reggae part...But it's on the edge of perfection and overproduction...always loved it when GnR performed like a modern lynyrd skynyrd Interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Tadsy said: I'm struggling to figure out why you hang out on a guns n roses forum when 99% of what you say daily is negative. I should point out that I like music before Guns N' Roses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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maxpax Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 8 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: I should point out that I like music before Guns N' Roses. But then you should be fair enough and agree that Dylan is a horrible singer and just a solid songwriter who had a lotta luck with interpretations of other artists. Jimi Hendrix f.ex. had some of the finest rock moments when it comes to studio recordings. He was a master of covering songs as well. But his live shows were annoying because he always improvised his songs live... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 19 minutes ago, maxpax said: But then you should be fair enough and agree that Dylan is a horrible singer and just a solid songwriter who had a lotta luck with interpretations of other artists. Jimi Hendrix f.ex. had some of the finest rock moments when it comes to studio recordings. He was a master of covering songs as well. But his live shows were annoying because he always improvised his songs live... I'm a gigantic Dylan fan - I've seen him live three times - so no, I cannot agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvH Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 If you're asking which cover is the best version, look no further: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenni19 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Gnr Version is better than the original and all others i have listend to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontdamnmeuyi2015 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 GNR's version is way better. Not a Bob Dylan fan. He's too boring for me. lol I love every cover GNR has done. They make those songs theirs in that special GNR way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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