Jane M. Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Kirk is right. Guns N' Roses is a nostalgia act but at least is a good one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@xlRose Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 why does he talk about gnr? talk about your band and your next record, always bitching about gnr, he tries to make the band smaller while making it bigger, always jealous of them because GNR with doing less are more succesfull 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 19 minutes ago, AlexC said: Cheers for the crazy remark. No way are Metallica the biggest rock band in the world. Iron Maiden equal them in terms of size and $ and Foo Fighters, U2, The Rolling Stones, Coldplay and other shite exceed them. A Reunited GN'R with Slash, new album or not, is way bigger than Metallica. I'll change it from biggest rock band to biggest hard rock / metal band, besides that you don't have a point. Iron Maiden haven't been as big as Metallica since Metallica exploded in the early 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DieselDaisy Posted November 11, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted November 11, 2016 It doesn't help that Nugnr had basically being a lazy nostalgia act since at least 2011 if not earlier. It would have been a completely different scenario if Nugnr up until 2015 had put out a trilogy of weird albums before the reunion, and generally been anti-nostalgic, playing loads of these new songs in his concerts. Under that scenario, we'd have probably been eager for a dose of nostalgia with the incoming Not in this Lifetime Tour of 2016. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 It makes us 'feel' relevant, telling choice of words their Kirk, newsflash Grandad, neither of yous are fuckin' relevant. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 1 minute ago, @xlRose said: why does he talk about gnr? talk about your band and your next record, always bitching about gnr, he tries to make the band smaller while making it bigger, always jealous of them because GNR with doing less are more succesfull More successful? of course their current tour is making money! but give it a few years, let the shine wear off a bit, Metallica will still be huge selling out everywhere globally (like they have for the past 25+ years). GnR are very successful, and I don't debate that! I think it's bizarre that GnR fans can't concede that another band could possibly be more successful than them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Metallica have maintained 'arena status' throughout their existence, whereas Nugnr slumped as low as the playing of weddings and casinos. The hyperbole of the reunion has propelled Guns into stadia. This is certainly warranted but it will just as surely dissipate as the novelty fades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexC Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 10 minutes ago, Ifdworld said: you're delusional, you're blaming the fact that because metallica was able to maintain a steady line up and that they actually put out new music and tour the world non stop? Metallica's catalogue is way bigger than gn'rs. Music is all a band can produce. when the time comes and axl and slash die, they'll be remembered by the music they put out. and Axl hasn't done much of that. How is that delusional? Because I pointed out the fact that Metallica and GN'R have the same time gap between albums except one has a line-up change and the other doesn't? Come on. You can't listen to Hardwired and say with a straight face that it's not a sad attempt at recreating Kill 'Em All. It's the epitome of relying on Nostalgia. The reason I said the Melissa Reese thing was to just show you that yes, this is a reunion and it obviously makes people feel nostalgic. But it's also a legit stepforward and they're more relevant because of it than Metallica has been in 13 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 5 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: It doesn't help that Nugnr had basically being a lazy nostalgia act since at least 2011 if not earlier. It would have been a completely different scenario if Nugnr up until 2015 had put out a trilogy of weird albums before the reunion, and generally been anti-nostalgic, playing loads of these new songs in his concerts. Under that scenario, we'd have probably been eager for a dose of nostalgia with the incoming Not in this Lifetime Tour of 2016. This! Regardless of the fact that I enjoyed CD, it was still just one record, not the double that was mentioned. One new record in the 25? years between UYI? you've got to be kidding me! Should have had a minimum of two album between 2008 and 2014. If they had released two albums, I might be defending them now... as they haven't the critique is accurate... if a bit ironic because Metallica are a heavy nostalgia act themselves! even if they release new music... guarantee that 95% of hardwired will be nowhere to be found on a setlist in 3 years time just like Death Magnetic! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, AlexC said: How is that delusional? Because I pointed out the fact that Metallica and GN'R have the same time gap between albums except one has a line-up change and the other doesn't? Come on. You can't listen to Hardwired and say with a straight face that it's not a sad attempt at recreating Kill 'Em All. It's the epitome of relying on Nostalgia. The reason I said the Melissa Reese thing was to just show you that yes, this is a reunion and it obviously makes people feel nostalgic. But it's also a legit stepforward and they're more relevant because of it than Metallica has been in 13 years. ...3 quarters of the GnR fan base would kill for a Guns album that sounded like AFD. Does Moth into flame sound like a Kill em all song? I don't think so. Is the feel nostalgic yes! but it's new music! and finally yes, metallica and guns released albums in 2008, but Metallica recorded an all new album in between that time, GNR have a completed album (Axls words, not mine) that was almost finished in 2008... and they're still apparently nowhere near a release. Why? because they think the majority don't care, and that they can make just as much money on an nostalgia tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riot Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Completely right. Can't be anything else when you don't release new album... New singles etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexC Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 15 minutes ago, Tom2112 said: I'll change it from biggest rock band to biggest hard rock / metal band, besides that you don't have a point. Iron Maiden haven't been as big as Metallica since Metallica exploded in the early 90s. To be fair I may have gotten a bit carried away with saying Iron Maiden are bigger than Metallica. That'sa closer debate in Europe but certainly not in the U.S. But still, the amount of coverage that this whole GN'R reunion is getting is way more than Metallica and that's even with them releasing their first studio album in 8 years. Jealously on Kirk's part as Guns are now more relevant than Metallica, making more money, have happier fans and they haven't released any new material YET. Odds are too that when they do, it'll be a lot better received and get more appraisal that Hardwired to Self-Destruct will get. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexC Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 5 minutes ago, Tom2112 said: ...3 quarters of the GnR fan base would kill for a Guns album that sounded like AFD. Does Moth into flame sound like a Kill em all song? I don't think so. Is the feel nostalgic yes! but it's new music! and finally yes, metallica and guns released albums in 2008, but Metallica recorded an all new album in between that time, GNR have a completed album (Axls words, not mine) that was almost finished in 2008... and they're still apparently nowhere near a release. Why? because they think the majority don't care, and that they can make just as much money on an nostalgia tour. Moth Into Flame? Apart from the 4 seconds of melodic chorus it definitely sounds like Kill 'Em All. The verses are even structured almost identically to the bridge in Four Horseman. Look, do I wish that GN'R had released more than one album in 25 years? Of course! But with this reunion happening there is not only a larger audience and appetite for a new album more than ever, but there's more chance of it being excellent more than ever. And I don't think for one second that anything Metallica are capable of releasing at this point can make them more relevant than GN'R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GN'R MEX Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Axl is going to release a new album in 2 years and he is going to prove that he is the king #Lordaxl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgnr Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 what he said is kinda true and the arguments are spot on...nevertheless I agree it's too soon, they just got back together, so if they need sometime let them play the old songs and then think about new music. Now a single released by Christmas wouldn't hurt at all, just good advertising IMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 I agree with Kirk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vail2004 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Metallica never broke up. For new music there needs to be a step 1 as far as Guns is concerned. Unfortunately I believe a massive fear of failure is the biggest hurdle for Axl. He became the biggest band in the world w one release. Had Guns had a slower build to their success they wouldnt be the most criminally under-recorded A+ caliber rock band in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lies They Tell Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 You can't really disagree with him at this point. Personally I'm sure that new GNR music will come put at some point, but they've been touring without new music so long that they deserve to be criticized for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorderlineCrazy Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 I could take a comment like this from let's say Dave Mustaine as he keeps constantly releasing music but even if what Kirk says is kinda true, he can't ignore the fact that he's part of one of the laziest bands in the world as well (when it comes to releasing music). I love Metallica, it's one of my favorite bands but in the last 16 years they've released only two studio albums and one of them is fn' St. Anger!!! I'm not speaking as an Axl defender, but as a fan of both Axl and Metallica who's been eager to hear new music from both and barely got any in the last decade. Metallica's new shit is sounding very promising, though, so I hope they'll stick to writing cool metal music and stop jerking around with movies and shitty documentaries. As for GNR, they just got back together this year!! Any criticism Slash and Duff get for the lack of new music is absurd, so direct your complaints at Axl, he's the one who never releases music, the other two have a bigger catalogue outside GNR than they have in the band. But even better, don't criticize any of them yet, give them some fn' time, this was a year of testing the waters as far as how's their relationship and whether they can be in a band together or not. Things seem to be going great so now it may be time to START thinking about new music. Relax a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiraMPD Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 It's really hard to contest this with the way things are right now.... However, I remain cautiously hopeful for new songs in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrolg Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: Metallica have released, since Use Your Illusion and the Black album, five albums (including the new one) to Axl's one. - Load/Reload/St Anger/Death Magnetic/Hardwired - Chinese Democracy (And that is not including the numerous Metallica live albums, the Beyond Magnetic EP featuring outakes, films, the Lou Reed collaboration and the covers album they did.) Among those four Metallica albums, there is actually one album worth of good songs, and that coming from a massive fan. Load is a good disc, Reload is very meh, St Anger is attrocious, and Death Magnetic is decent, but very generic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Towelie said: Of course. But I agree wholeheartedly with Kirk Hammett, what GNR have become is kind of sad. What Axl did from '94-last spring was the sad thing. I don't count that era (the whole "nu" or CD time) as Guns n Roses...because it wasn't. Guns was basically '86-'93 and spring of '16-current. So- going forward we will find out if they will truly be 'nostalgic' or not. And at this point- I'm fine with them touring the shit out of the old songs- they kick ass! Better than most of the new crap out there today. **Kirk's hair has turned into a nostalgic act. Guy has more hair now then back then...unless it's a wig. Edited November 11, 2016 by Original 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Jay Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Amen. ChiDem is nearly a decade old. And it"s a scam now. UYI is twenty five years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 55 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 2 hours ago, AlexC said: Metallica have always been jealous of GN'R and that's just fact. So many bands from that era and especially older bands that came before them always try and put them down. It's pathetic. Metallica have become bitches to their fans, they desperately try to gain fans approval but still don't manage to. Meanwhile Guns are on what will most likely become the most lucrative tour in history whilst Axl is intermittently gaining the adoration of millions by crushing it with AC/DC. AND. This is without releasing a single track. Meanwhile Metallica have been sweating it in the studio desperately trying to recapture Ride the Lightning but failing miserably. I like Metallica, but why say shit about a band that, quite frankly, shits on you from a considerably great height? Your post would be TOTALLY different if Hammet said something like: "GNR ROCKS! THEY'RE BACK!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexC Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Just now, Chris 55 said: Your post would be TOTALLY different if Hammet said something like: "GNR ROCKS! THEY'RE BACK!" Of course it would. Why would I respond negatively to a compliment? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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