maynard Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 59 minutes ago, WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself said: This is the awful clean voice? Or this? Or this? Or did you hear any mickey voice back then? what the fuck are you talking about? those are all great powerful performances. great use of his trademark raspy voice. try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRoseCDII Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I don't like the way Axl has been singing SCOM since Rio '11, but for a clean voice performance it's one of his better ones compared to 11-14. Slight rasp on some parts. But as I've stated before in multiple threads, Axl should use his deep voice which he uses on Nightrain and the end of Patience to sing this and YCBM. It's much more pleasing to listen to and shows Axl still has it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrolg Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 The "where do we go" segment is quite decent, he is pushing for the rasp. It's way past time to adjust expectations when it comes to Axl's voice. His signature voice is gone for good, he lost the ability to transition easily from rasp to clean, and he changed the tone and range he sings in. Something serious has happened to his voice post 2010 and at this point is quite clear it is not reversible. I really, really wish we could say 2016 Axl is anywhere close to 2006 or 2010, but he is not. I would even consider that the state of his voice after 2011 is related to the lack of new releases. Axl sings in falsetto now, and not a single song sounds better than it did in those previous years - you can count in one hand those that sound almost as good as they used to. It is what it is. He is putting so much into his 2016 performances. If the voice was a matter of effort, I'm sure he would be sounding like 93 right now, he is not. Thankfully, a very diminished Axl still puts one hell of a show, right up there with the best remaining rock bands out there.This is what we have, and at 54 years old, things are more likely to slowly go down than up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 36 minutes ago, maynard said: what the fuck are you talking about? those are all great powerful performances. great use of his trademark raspy voice. try again. They are great powerful performances and he doesn't use his trademark raspy voice through the whole songs. He uses his clean voice a lot. That's what I'm saying, his clean voice was far from awful, it was great. The falsetto he uses now may sometimes be awful, but he never used this technique back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerInThisTown Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Pedrolg said: putting so much into his 2016 performances. If the voice was a matter of effort, I'm sure he would be sounding like 93 right now He does. Just not with Guns. He has even surpassed 2010 levels for me in certain performances. None of them were with Guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6lake sa66ath Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 It's a pretty all right performance, all things considered, not as bad as some of you birds are chirping that's for sure My only question remains, how in the hell did Axl play that entire gig with a broken foot?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, Blake Sabbath said: It's a pretty all right performance, all things considered, not as bad as some of you birds are chirping that's for sure My only question remains, how in the hell did Axl play that entire gig with a broken foot?! Adrenaline can make you super human 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlsFavoriteRose Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 3 hours ago, AslatIE said: Troll isn't censored anymore? apparently not. i read somewhere why it was to begin but i think they just changed it. i will look for the post i read it on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalms Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 On 11/16/2016 at 1:02 AM, dgnr said: I don't even care how Axl sounds or how Fortus' spins annoy me or what the hell is Frank doing with the drums here... Watched the all video grinning Fuckin magical night!! Just like that all day with the periscopes of people in the Tower Records line, then the Troubadour announcement, the 'museum', the no phones allowed, the periscope outside the Troubadour just listening Axl raspy on Jungle and then it popped on Instagram the first pic of those two together after 23 years...Almost cryed like a baby Magic, magic everywhere! Release this shit already and I'll gladly give you all the money you ask, I don't care!! I agree! This is what started it all don't care at this point how they sounded just glad they are up there and TOGETHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Jay Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share Posted November 17, 2016 Original video OP. thanks to @Rickodez 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSoftie Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 IMO this shouldn't be released, it wouldn't reflect well on the band. They're so much tighter now, and Axl sounds much much better (he almost sounds hoarse in this). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auad Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) Good performance of the band...very good video quality. Axl sounds bad... The nonsense thing: that blonde bitch on the stage. Edited November 17, 2016 by auad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric Cantona Posted November 17, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2016 9 minutes ago, auad said: Good pergormance of the band...very good video quality. Axl sounds bad... The nonsense thing: that blonde bitch on the stage. Why don't you like Duff? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDemocracyRose Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Just a reminder. This is also 2016... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrolg Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 2 hours ago, StrangerInThisTown said: He does. Just not with Guns. He has even surpassed 2010 levels for me in certain performances. None of them were with Guns. Those are different, man. The AC/DC voice is higher pitched than his old trademark one, it's also more screamy. At any rate, it doesn't look at all like he can use that voice through more melodic songs/segments. He uses it a bit with GNR, but only on select parts. Don't get me wrong, it is an awesome voice, but it's not Axl's old signature voice. That one died in 2010. Damage, surgery, whatever the reason (we might never know), he obliterated that voice. His ways are firmly set on falsetto after more than 5 years of it. It's possible he could use less falsetto and a bit more rasp, but the 90's, 2006, 2010 voice is gone forever. The AC/DC voice is a fantastic base for his career going forward. If Axl was to release new music, he should compose them based on a mix of his natural deep voice + AC/DC powerful high pitched rasp - that can be a path to a late career new prime. That would also ensure commanding performances and would go a long way making the new material staples on a setlist. There is no point in releasing material he can't perform as he should anymore (maybe he is aware of that, and this is somehow related to him holding on to material). On a sidenote, his falsetto/clean voice has improved a lot in 2016. Every casual that hears him thinks he sounds great - my friends were blown away. I never believed it, but it also sounds awesome live - my friends who are not hardcores were blown away by Axl last friday. He is a good singer still, the problem is the massive standards he created for himself, his voice was probably the most powerful I've ever seen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Ouch, don't listen to this, and the album version back to back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorderlineCrazy Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 4 hours ago, IncitingChaos said: Slash can make you super human Fixed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexC Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 8 hours ago, Nikki_Sixx said: Axl's voice is what's annoying. People who keep denying Axl's voice is annoying are annoying. The fact that you find me annoying says everything. So you're saying that he doesn't sound good on AC/DC material? Sounds like you're the one in denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 5 hours ago, Pedrolg said: He is putting so much into his 2016 performances. If the voice was a matter of effort, I'm sure he would be sounding like 93 right now, he is not. Thankfully, a very diminished Axl still puts one hell of a show, right up there with the best remaining rock bands out there.This is what we have, and at 54 years old, things are more likely to slowly go down than up. I would argue that the ACDC shows and NA leg of the Guns tour was a strong period for Axl, not 2010 level but definitely above '11-14. It's only the April shows and the current SA shows (especially the SA shows) where he's sounded weak this year. I was hoping he was just sick to start but his voice has sounded strained the whole SA leg, wonder if he ditched his voice coach or fucked up his voice after the ACDC shows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerInThisTown Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gordon Comstock said: I would argue that the ACDC shows and NA leg of the Guns tour was a strong period for Axl, not 2010 level but definitely above '11-14. It's only the April shows and the current SA shows (especially the SA shows) where he's sounded weak this year. I was hoping he was just sick to start but his voice has sounded strained the whole SA leg, wonder if he ditched his voice coach or fucked up his voice after the ACDC shows... To me it seems like he just genuinely believes that voice is good. He doesnt realize he sounds weak, and no one tells him, because he would have stopped using it by now. But everyone who is used to the guns records or even most of their live videos/bootlegs from the glory days (which is almost everyone) will immediately start to think "man what is that?" SCOM and NR and YCBM are the 3 songs I think suffer the most from it. YCBM sounds powerless even though the band is totally killer instrumentally..it could be so much more if Axl started using the secret weapon ACDC rasp on that song. Highlight of the show for sure. Edited November 18, 2016 by StrangerInThisTown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendez Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 9 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said: To me it seems like he just genuinely believes that voice is good. He doesnt realize he sounds weak, and no one tells him, because he would have stopped using it by now. But everyone who is used to the guns records or even most of their live videos/bootlegs from the glory days (which is almost everyone) will immediately start to think "man what is that?" SCOM and NR and YCBM are the 3 songs I think suffer the most from it. YCBM sounds powerless even though the band is totally killer instrumentally..it could be so much more if Axl started using the secret weapon ACDC rasp on that song. Highlight of the show for sure. Fernando has said that Axl knows he sings like mickey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerInThisTown Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mendez said: Fernando has said that Axl knows he sings like mickey Maybe he saw it as a challenge..or hes making a statement. I have no idea, but all I know is that voice is much worse than literally any other one he could use instead. When youre there in concert it's not that bad because of the whole euphoria of being there, but when you rewatch or watch a recording/video of it, it becomes very noticeable, like on this pro shot. Edited November 18, 2016 by StrangerInThisTown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 They should release the first Troubadour shows as a NITL blu ray asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexC Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 7 hours ago, Pedrolg said: The "where do we go" segment is quite decent, he is pushing for the rasp. It's way past time to adjust expectations when it comes to Axl's voice. His signature voice is gone for good, he lost the ability to transition easily from rasp to clean, and he changed the tone and range he sings in. Something serious has happened to his voice post 2010 and at this point is quite clear it is not reversible. I really, really wish we could say 2016 Axl is anywhere close to 2006 or 2010, but he is not. I would even consider that the state of his voice after 2011 is related to the lack of new releases. Axl sings in falsetto now, and not a single song sounds better than it did in those previous years - you can count in one hand those that sound almost as good as they used to. It is what it is. He is putting so much into his 2016 performances. If the voice was a matter of effort, I'm sure he would be sounding like 93 right now, he is not. Thankfully, a very diminished Axl still puts one hell of a show, right up there with the best remaining rock bands out there.This is what we have, and at 54 years old, things are more likely to slowly go down than up. But... AC/DC though. 30 minutes ago, Mendez said: Fernando has said that Axl knows he sings like mickey When? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexC Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 4 hours ago, Pedrolg said: Those are different, man. The AC/DC voice is higher pitched than his old trademark one, it's also more screamy. At any rate, it doesn't look at all like he can use that voice through more melodic songs/segments. He uses it a bit with GNR, but only on select parts. Don't get me wrong, it is an awesome voice, but it's not Axl's old signature voice. That one died in 2010. Damage, surgery, whatever the reason (we might never know), he obliterated that voice. His ways are firmly set on falsetto after more than 5 years of it. It's possible he could use less falsetto and a bit more rasp, but the 90's, 2006, 2010 voice is gone forever. The AC/DC voice is a fantastic base for his career going forward. If Axl was to release new music, he should compose them based on a mix of his natural deep voice + AC/DC powerful high pitched rasp - that can be a path to a late career new prime. That would also ensure commanding performances and would go a long way making the new material staples on a setlist. There is no point in releasing material he can't perform as he should anymore (maybe he is aware of that, and this is somehow related to him holding on to material). On a sidenote, his falsetto/clean voice has improved a lot in 2016. Every casual that hears him thinks he sounds great - my friends were blown away. I never believed it, but it also sounds awesome live - my friends who are not hardcores were blown away by Axl last friday. He is a good singer still, the problem is the massive standards he created for himself, his voice was probably the most powerful I've ever seen. Not true. He uses major rasp in his upper chest register during the entirety of Got Some Rock and Roll Thunder when he's with AC/DC. Plus the verses of Shoot to Thrill are all upper chest register with insane '90s level rasp. Even if I'm mistaken on that and it is in fact some heavily distorted falsetto technique, he's able to get so low in his head voice that he should be commended for it because it's fucking super-human if that's the case. Which I don't think it is, I'm pretty certain it's upper chest voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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