whatashame Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) So, I am that guy who reads credits at the end of GNR-related movies. And watching It's So Easy And Other Lies was no different. All the Appetite songs were credited to Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven. No surprize there. It has always been that way. However, the UYI were were all credited to the same group of people, minus Steven, plus Dizzy and Matt Sorum. Which means that November Rain was credited to Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, Matt and Dizzy - whereas on my UYI CD, it's credited solely to Axl. The same pattern is followed with other songs. So what's up with that? Was changing the autorship and owernship of the songs to the traditional, equal one, one of the conditions of the reunion? Yeah, I know the movie was shot before the reunion, but after being shot it kinda dissappeared for a long while - maybe bikoz they couldn't figure out the rights to the songs? Or they started to negotiate the reunion while the movie was in the making, and Duff thought it would be a better idea for him to keep the movie on hold until the reunion finalizes? To capitalize more on it? Which is what he did? Am I stirring sheit up or noticing valid clues here? Edited December 17, 2016 by whatashame typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnrcane Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I think it is probably performance credit vs writing credit. For November Rain they would all get royalties on their performance by only Axl would get a royalty as the writer. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpoop Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) When you say condition who do you mean? Slash and Duff? Okay I guess but Dizzy? Dizzy has zero bargaining power. He makes any trouble for anyone he's back playing toilets with his cover band. Anyway I don't think there's any chance Axl would give up those credits on NR. Nor should he if the original one is correct, which it probably is judging by the pre-Appetite demos. Edited December 17, 2016 by bigpoop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seely Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 The UYI and Live Era CDs mark Axl as the sole songwriter for songs like NR and Estranged, but when you go to the Greatest Hits album, as well as the credits on the Appetite for Democracy DVD, they differ. Slash did say in his autobiography that he though the songwriting credits were unfair, maybe they reached some sort of agreement in the mid 2000's over them. That said, the same goes for the CD songs - the credits on the AFD DVD differ from those in the CD booklet. In fact, the Red Hand alternate booklet for CD has different songwriting credits to the CD booklet that got released. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donny Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 surely west arkeen should be on writing credits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatashame Posted December 23, 2016 Author Share Posted December 23, 2016 On 18.12.2016 at 1:17 AM, seely said: The UYI and Live Era CDs mark Axl as the sole songwriter for songs like NR and Estranged, but when you go to the Greatest Hits album, as well as the credits on the Appetite for Democracy DVD, they differ. Slash did say in his autobiography that he though the songwriting credits were unfair, maybe they reached some sort of agreement in the mid 2000's over them. That said, the same goes for the CD songs - the credits on the AFD DVD differ from those in the CD booklet. In fact, the Red Hand alternate booklet for CD has different songwriting credits to the CD booklet that got released. please elaborate how different are the writing credits on the red hand chinese booklet - i do not own it and can not compare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seely Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 3 hours ago, whatashame said: please elaborate how different are the writing credits on the red hand chinese booklet - i do not own it and can not compare Here you go http://troccolitm.com/CDChiDemRedHand.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOSSY78 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I don't really see Axl giving up writing credits on November Rain especially. He was working on that long before others came around. Perhaps its performing credits. I mean Axl did more then right lyrics on that song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I think it's part of an agreement. My World is credited to Axl, Slash, Duff and Izzy with ASCAP. The latter three neither wrote or performed on that song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexC Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Songwriters i.e. the person or people who wrote the lyrics get credited separately than those who wrote the music. Except for Appetite, where everyone was credited even for lyrics although I doubt all of them contributed to every song. Axl probably changed his mind on sharing writing credits after the success of Appetite and the whole drama with Steven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatashame Posted January 4, 2017 Author Share Posted January 4, 2017 well, take a look that the same change occured when the LAS VEGAS residency DVD was released In it, Estranged is also labeled as having all line up as writers, and mostly all songs are this way. I don't have Slash's Roxy DVD but I would guess it is also the same way there, which means all three members (Axl, Duff, Slash) who are now in GNR worked it out and it must have been a condition of a reunion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatashame Posted January 26, 2017 Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 what is more, I have just gotten the Slash's "2011/2012" box. Made In Stoke (2011) has different credits for songs like Nightrain than "Live From New York" (2012). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanity_lost Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 On Saturday, December 24, 2016 at 6:31 AM, AlexC said: Songwriters i.e. the person or people who wrote the lyrics get credited separately than those who wrote the music. Except for Appetite, where everyone was credited even for lyrics although I doubt all of them contributed to every song. Axl probably changed his mind on sharing writing credits after the success of Appetite and the whole drama with Steven. In Duff's book he said when it came time to determine song writing credits for Appetite they started fighting over who wrote what and settled it by just splitting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubicon Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 hour ago, sanity_lost said: In Duff's book he said when it came time to determine song writing credits for Appetite they started fighting over who wrote what and settled it by just splitting them. I guess they were so fucked up back then that no one really remembered who wrote what Hilarious thought of them waking up in the morning, going like: "Hey, who wrote that song on that pizza box?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 6 hours ago, whatashame said: what is more, I have just gotten the Slash's "2011/2012" box. Made In Stoke (2011) has different credits for songs like Nightrain than "Live From New York" (2012). What's the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatashame Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 One is written by "Guns N'Roses" and published by "Guns N'Roses 1987 BMI" and the other is written by "Axl Rose, Saul Hudson, D.R. McKagan (btw, wasn't Duffs second name Andrew? what does the R stand for? Duff Rose?), I. Stradlin, S. Adler" and published by "Black Frog" same song (Nightrain, ie) and one year difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorderlineCrazy Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 7 hours ago, whatashame said: D.R. McKagan (btw, wasn't Duffs second name Andrew? what does the R stand for? Duff Rose?) Must be Duff Rose indeed. He's called Michael too, not Duff. The weird thing is it says Saul Hudson instead of Slash when Duff, Izzy and Steven don't have their real names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cantona Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, BorderlineCrazy said: Must be Duff Rose indeed. He's called Michael too, not Duff. The weird thing is it says Saul Hudson instead of Slash when Duff, Izzy and Steven don't have their real names. Well I think it's because Slash is really just a nickname, while Duff, Izzy and Steven are their legal(??) names. Could be something else, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorderlineCrazy Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 30 minutes ago, AslatIE said: Well I think it's because Slash is really just a nickname, while Duff, Izzy and Steven are their legal(??) names. Could be something else, though. As far as I know, Duff is a nickname too. I've heard Axl is the only one who actually changed his name but I'm not really sure about Izzy and Steven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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