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2 hours ago, Rovim said:

My interpretation of what Axl said in China Exchange about Slash if he wants to play on it he can is that it could have been a way to say that all the work that has been already completed would not just be replaced by Slash simply cause he's back.

I think it's possible Axl will at least keep some stuff, the best shit or what he's the most attached to that perhaps Bucket recorded or Robin.

Wild guess here, but what if Axl asks Slash to play on all of it, all the material and picks the takes Slash topped? what  Bucket and Robin already created that is already pretty much faultless, stays. That way, it makes sense. He replaced Bucket's Shackler's solo with Bumble's. I think Axl just uses what he likes the best. He has no problem adding current players, but he won't replace what is already perfect, like Bucket's There Was A Time outro.

I could be very wrong obviously, but that's my best guess. I also believe a lot of it will be dictated by how good Slash is in the studio. I believe it's likely he'll come up with shit that Axl will like based on his reactions live to Slash's playing on Chinese tracks.

There does seem to be barn full of hay to dive into. Dj was talking about that. But there also could be a more finished record that is basically finished. Maybe the stop gap album will be CD II with Slash input. Then later fresher material. 

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People keep referencing Silkworms new version and Oh My God new version - are there demos knocking around?

With regards to CD2/3/etc I'd rather have it left untouched. I want to hear more Bucket and Axl, I want to hear Finck's blues solo Axl talked about, I want to hear the Beavan and RTB versions to compare etc. Even if it isn't "classic" gnr who cares, keep it as it is and when the time is right release it.

Any new stuff with slash should only be pre 1997 or post 2015 I think, true new music.

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I think they will need at least 1-2 new Axl/Slash songs to hang some other CD era material off. 

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1 hour ago, ToonGuns said:

People keep referencing Silkworms new version and Oh My God new version - are there demos knocking around?

With regards to CD2/3/etc I'd rather have it left untouched. I want to hear more Bucket and Axl, I want to hear Finck's blues solo Axl talked about, I want to hear the Beavan and RTB versions to compare etc. Even if it isn't "classic" gnr who cares, keep it as it is and when the time is right release it.

Any new stuff with slash should only be pre 1997 or post 2015 I think, true new music.

I'd rather have the pure Chinese experience as well, and a separate album with the current line up later but I don't know if Axl is interested in doing that. He is open to Slash being a part of at least some of the unreleased material.

And how long will a fresh album will take to complete? for Axl I mean? another decade? half? a lifetime maybe? at this point I am so desperate, yes, desperate for new material that I just don't care. Don't actually care what it'll be. Only that it's timeless with Axl vocals on it and with great guitar players.

Going by how Axl dealt with line up changes in the past, it seems like he likes to keep some stuff from previous members and add current members based on mostly quality of their work and what fits the album best in general. Even after Chinese was released, he said about CD ll in the chats: "same players" meaning Bucket and Robin.

Slash is now back, if he wants to be a part of the material Axl played him, I can't really see Axl not using him at least partially on some of the unreleased tracks Axl still wants to use. CD ll may be completed, but is anything really finished until it's released for Axl? remains to be seen.

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9 minutes ago, Rovim said:

I'd rather have the pure Chinese experience as well

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I hope that Axl would make 10 decent songs from the vault along with Slash/Duff. I dont expect the vault to be full of great songs, since CD I sucked for the most part. No reason to want CD II without changes. If they could do that, plus 2-4 new songs or pre 1997 songs, that would be a killer album.

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On 7.1.2017 at 2:28 PM, DieselDaisy said:

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By "pure Chinese experience" I meant I'd rather have CD ll untouched by Slash and Duff, not Asian chicks with no tits.

 

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Just now, Rovim said:

Just to be clear: I meant I'd rather have CD ll untouched by Slash and Duff, released and then get a fresh album with Axl starting all of it from lyrics and melodies first, fresh material.

I just don't think that is a realistic scenario at all.

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2 hours ago, MisterBrownstoner said:

I hope that Axl would make 10 decent songs from the vault along with Slash/Duff. I dont expect the vault to be full of great songs, since CD I sucked for the most part. No reason to want CD II without changes. If they could do that, plus 2-4 new songs or pre 1997 songs, that would be a killer album.

You don't even know what CD ll sounds like, yet you're talking about making some changes.

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6 hours ago, Rovim said:

You don't even know what CD ll sounds like, yet you're talking about making some changes.

Highly doubt that he keep the best for the second part of his CD. 

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Just now, MisterBrownstoner said:

Highly doubt that he keep the best for the second part of his CD. 

Axl himself said that what got released was "what got through the red tape".

Leaks played a huge role in what got released.

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9 hours ago, Wagszilla said:

Axl himself said that what got released was "what got through the red tape".

Leaks played a huge role in what got released.

Zutaut said Atlas Shrugged was one of the stronger tunes they had. Josh Freese said he wrote 4 or 5 tunes, all of those were on the AAA list. Beltrami did orchestration for some unreleased tunes, said Seven was his favorite, Robin said his favorite guitar moments weren't even released.

We have no idea how many big guns remain unreleased or how the material sounds like, but Axl played some of those to Slash and Duff and they liked it apparently.

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9 hours ago, MisterBrownstoner said:

Highly doubt that he keep the best for the second part of his CD. 

I didn't say he kept the best for the second part. But concluding it's all weak material is silly cause we have no idea what it sounds like. Some tunes have to be strong cause every Guns album had at least a few big guns. CD ll was completed and was intended for release. There is no way Axl would have released an album with only weak tunes. And even if Down By The Ocean is a weak tune, I still want to hear it. And the old Slash riff.

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The way the Best Buy deal was done and all the trouble with Azoff I wouldn't be surprised if Axl held something back for what he planned to release a year later. 

Because of the alternative slant of the material and dark themes it's not quite as commercial as Aero DC and Elton epics anyway so I don't expect an obvious hit. 

 

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Axl really needs to make a deal with Marvel. Just put Atlas Shrugged on Guardians Of The Galaxy II or The Avengers Infinity War and it's a guaranteed hit. Just get along with the hype.

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2 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

Axl really needs to make a deal with Marvel. Just put Atlas Shrugged on Guardians Of The Galaxy II or The Avengers Infinity War and it's a guaranteed hit. Just get along with the hype.

Just a feeling, but I think it's a full album or nothing. You can't make a statement with 1 tune, which is what I think Axl is aiming for.

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3 minutes ago, Rovim said:

Just a feeling, but I think it's a full album or nothing. You can't make a statement with 1 tune, which is what I think Axl is aiming for.

Maybe as a pre-album single to launch the real thing later. Marvel loves AC/DC and Black Sabbath, why not GN'R? Body Of Lies wasn't that of a success because the band work best with blockbusters (End Of Days/T2).

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