AxlsFavoriteRose Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 8 minutes ago, J Dog said: He always did wear a cowboy hat good I'll give him that. he ROCKS that cowboy hat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zurimor Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) Sorry, but I have to do this. The refrain from Daniel Wirtz's song Overkill: Ja man nennt es wohl den Overkill weil man gar nicht so viel fressen kann wie man kotzen will Ja man nennt es wohl den Overkill weil man gar nicht so viel fressen kann wie man kotzen will Roughly translated into English Yes it could be called the Overkill, when you just can not eat as much as you want to puke (sorry, no rhyme possible in English, I really tried ) The song is about some TV formats nobody really needs, afternoon talk shows and such. That line alone is pretty genious in my opinion and better than most stuff Axl produced, sorry Axl, no offense. Edited December 30, 2016 by Zurimor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estranged_85 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 For ME Axl is one of the greatest lyricist and songwriter out there. Helped me trough a lot of shit over the years. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJean Baby Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 10 minutes ago, estranged_85 said: For ME Axl is one of the greatest lyricist and songwriter out there. Helped me trough a lot of shit over the years. Out of likes. I totally agree with all you said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 3 hours ago, Zurimor said: Sorry, but I have to do this. The refrain from Daniel Wirtz's song Overkill: Ja man nennt es wohl den Overkill weil man gar nicht so viel fressen kann wie man kotzen will Ja man nennt es wohl den Overkill weil man gar nicht so viel fressen kann wie man kotzen will Roughly translated into English Yes it could be called the Overkill, when you just can not eat as much as you want to puke (sorry, no rhyme possible in English, I really tried ) The song is about some TV formats nobody really needs, afternoon talk shows and such. That line alone is pretty genious in my opinion and better than most stuff Axl produced, sorry Axl, no offense. I really can't see any genious in this lyrics. Pretty average imo, since the line You can't eat as much as you want to puke isn't anything he came up with. It's a proverb, an idiom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Axl isn't the best lyricist by far. As Slash isn't the best guitar player out there. But the way he sings his lyrics and the way Slash's guitar complements them is what makes them great. It's what most people here say for years, GNR is more than the sum of its parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEPTEM Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Some might refuse the songs selection, but yes. Axl is a true genius with words and as far as i concern he is the greatest. Dylan is reeaally gifted on this that nobel might be late and overdue. But .Mr rose is something else, in fact he has received other recognitions for his song writing and lyrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan H. Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Axl is a great singer, but I've never thought him anything better than an average lyricist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitha_whiskey Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Lyrics are like poems obviously. You're into what you like, and they connect with you for some kinda reason, but the added factor is they have to fit the music. I love GnR lyrics (not sure who wrote what- I don't think Axl wrote them all, did he?) SCOM is great when you have your love in your arms, Estranged is great when you're alone, Don't Damn Me is great when you're pissed, Nightrain is great when you're hammered, etc. Axl is great at letting you know what the emotion of a song is about. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dude Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 He's not quite Dylan, but I rank him above jagger and on par with Lennon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dude Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 14 hours ago, Len Cnut said: Though its value may have declined in the eyes of some the idea that it has been given to a rock musician is a very important thing. I mean for a type of music that was always consider diddley yokel plankton and not worthy of being considered among the arts its really something for a rock musician to get it. An immense thing. It is also perhaps indicative of the form being firmly ensconced in history and no longer anything to do with contemporary culture. I think its a really important thing, I'd usually be against this sort of thing but Dylan really deserves it I think. Quite the opposite in my eyes. It's something akin to John Lyndon being knighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dude Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 11 hours ago, Len Cnut said: Tastes Good Don't It makes the cut for me too, based on the following line 'fuck with me and I'll fuck your mother' I mean i don't know about any of yous but to me that shit is fuckin' inspired, why did some rapper not come up with that? I think it definitely influenced some of Gucci manes more inspired work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zurimor Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, Free Bird said: I really can't see any genious in this lyrics. Pretty average imo, since the line You can't eat as much as you want to puke isn't anything he came up with. It's a proverb, an idiom. Well, it may be an idiom in English, but not in German. Discussing lyrics isolated is always difficult, especially translations of them. You can transport meanings, but not the words and often times it are the words which are important. Years ago, I read a translation of "The Lord of the Rings", it was an okay reaad, but nothing more, I couldn't figure out what people find about it. Then I read the original and it was obvious. Such a beautiful language he uses, it's an outstanding book indeed, but so much of it gets lost in tranlation. I'll still try it. Ich hab mal in mich rein gehört, lange nachgedacht, was es ist das mich so stört, so fertig macht, hab mich gefragt, ob ich noch weiß, wer ich bin und was ich will, der Befund war echt beschissen und in mir wurde's still, ganz schön still, außer Mist gab's da nur Müll So I looked into myself, pondered for a long time what it is that bothers me, wears me down, asked myself if I still know who I am and what I want the report was really crappy within me it became quiet, completely quiet besides muck there was only waste That's some ironic passage, while the basic tenor is really, really destructive, there's still some humour in it. The refrain then, roughly translated "here and now the story ends, the story line was that bad, that I pass on part 2, here and now the story ends or is it just the burial of a lie, mon amour" (from the song "Mon Amour") Another short example Zu viele Wunden entstammen meiner Hand Zu viel kaputt gemacht, weil ich den andren Weg nicht fand Too many wounds originate from my own hand destroyed too much because I didn't find the other way (from "Heute weiß ich") There it is again, that irony. You can believe me, that guy is an artist with words and you find at least 1 really good line in most of his songs, unlike in Gn'R songs (sorry, Axl). My statement still stands that there are better lyricists than Axl. Regarding good lyrics in general, I may be wrong, but I'd say that progressive rock often has pretty good lyrics, so if you're into lyrics, you might want to check some of those. (Fish is another really good songwriter which comes to mind writing this, would rate him higher than Axl, too) Edited December 31, 2016 by Zurimor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanity_lost Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 10 hours ago, Zurimor said: Well, it may be an idiom in English, but not in German. Discussing lyrics isolated is always difficult, especially translations of them. You can transport meanings, but not the words and often times it are the words which are important. Years ago, I read a translation of "The Lord of the Rings", it was an okay reaad, but nothing more, I couldn't figure out what people find about it. Then I read the original and it was obvious. Such a beautiful language he uses, it's an outstanding book indeed, but so much of it gets lost in tranlation. I'll still try it. Ich hab mal in mich rein gehört, lange nachgedacht, was es ist das mich so stört, so fertig macht, hab mich gefragt, ob ich noch weiß, wer ich bin und was ich will, der Befund war echt beschissen und in mir wurde's still, ganz schön still, außer Mist gab's da nur Müll So I looked into myself, pondered for a long time what it is that bothers me, wears me down, asked myself if I still know who I am and what I want the report was really crappy within me it became quiet, completely quiet besides muck there was only waste That's some ironic passage, while the basic tenor is really, really destructive, there's still some humour in it. The refrain then, roughly translated "here and now the story ends, the story line was that bad, that I pass on part 2, here and now the story ends or is it just the burial of a lie, mon amour" (from the song "Mon Amour") Another short example Zu viele Wunden entstammen meiner Hand Zu viel kaputt gemacht, weil ich den andren Weg nicht fand Too many wounds originate from my own hand destroyed too much because I didn't find the other way (from "Heute weiß ich") There it is again, that irony. You can believe me, that guy is an artist with words and you find at least 1 really good line in most of his songs, unlike in Gn'R songs (sorry, Axl). My statement still stands that there are better lyricists than Axl. Regarding good lyrics in general, I may be wrong, but I'd say that progressive rock often has pretty good lyrics, so if you're into lyrics, you might want to check some of those. (Fish is another really good songwriter which comes to mind writing this, would rate him higher than Axl, too) Sounds generic to me. Maybe it is a translation issue. Some of the best can't be translated well because the words have more meaning than the definition. That can be true even if you are a native speaker of the language spoken. Could also be that we just enjoy different things about lyrics. Just like people like different things about poetry, music, and life itself. It is fine to like what other people don't like or dislike what others like. Sometimes we just find meaning in things that others don't because of how we work as individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zurimor Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) 23 hours ago, sanity_lost said: Sounds generic to me. Maybe it is a translation issue. Some of the best can't be translated well because the words have more meaning than the definition. That can be true even if you are a native speaker of the language spoken. Definitely, when reading the English version, it just doesn't sound exactly right. It's still okay, but not as awesome as in German. One problem I just found is this small passage: und in mir wurde's still, ganz schön still, - within me it became quiet, completely quiet You can say "ganz schön still" in German, well, even that is hard to define in a different language...it kinda expresses that it is a bit more than just quiet, it's really, really quiet. At the same time "schön" has the meaning of "beautiuful", so is it a beautiful silence? Not quite, but the connotation is there. All these interactions between words which are there in one language can get lost in a different language, you can't transfer them or it is really difficult and you have to make a ton of annotations. So in English it may sound generic while in German it is brilliant. Edited January 1, 2017 by Zurimor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitha_whiskey Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 The greatest German lyricist has to be hands down Klaus Maine of the Scorps. I mean, in Rhythm of Love: An exploding shot of pleasure is what I've got for you Not sure how that would have went in German, but in English, that's a goddamn masterpiece! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOSSY78 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) I think he's a great lyricist. I believe I remember him once being in Rolling Stones top 100 somewhere closer to the middle around the 50 to 60 range area. To me though this is really an opinion based one. I've read interviews from other singers songwriters or musicians in general who rate his lyrics at top. It's really going to be different for everyone. For example Bob Dylan was and is a great lyricast but me personally I'm a bigger fan of covers of his music. I know some people who didn't know anything about KOHD until GnR. They are fans of Axl's renditions of it more even. I know many may not agree with what I'm about to say but I don't care. Bob Dylan was a great lyricast likely one of the best even but I think that's where his talent ended. As a performer he does nothing for me. I'd also never buy his music. It bores me to death in general. My poetic side however loves some of his words. Axl's lyrics are more outlandish and daring. Like My Michelle and YCBM. I'm not saying a lyricast must be daring and outlandish because I'm a huge fan of ballads as well as other straight forward lyrics but One in a million even he took his lyrics where many would not. As someone once told me before when you first hear a GnR song the first thing that stands out is Axl's vocals but then you hear something like "Your daddy works in porno, now that mommy's not around" and people are like wow. Did he just say that? To me GnR have something no band has but them. They have a great vocalist, edgy and daring lyrics, ballads, great guitarist and the composure of it all music's and vocals is beyond superb. It's rare for me to say I like a band 100% on a whole. That's GnR. I like every factor and part of them. I'd say Axl is one of the greatest edgy lyricast ever. Edited January 2, 2017 by BOSSY78 Autocorrect sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorderlineCrazy Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 34 minutes ago, BOSSY78 said: Axl's lyrics are more outlandish and daring. Like My Michelle and YCBM. But YCBM is Izzy's song, not Axl's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOSSY78 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 26 minutes ago, BorderlineCrazy said: But YCBM is Izzy's song, not Axl's. They both are credited with writing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xedos Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 (edited) Ask 10 people and you get 10 different names when you ask about the best lyricist. But as far as GnR is my Number One Band I would agree, that Axl is in the Top 5 of all times, together with Freddie, Lennon/Mc Cartney, Elton John, Mick Jagger. Edited January 3, 2017 by Xedos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zurimor Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, BOSSY78 said: For example Bob Dylan was and is a great lyricast but me personally I'm a bigger fan of covers of his music. I know some people who didn't know anything about KOHD until GnR. They are fans of Axl's renditions of it more even. I know many may not agree with what I'm about to say but I don't care. Bob Dylan was a great lyricast likely one of the best even but I think that's where his talent ended. As a performer he does nothing for me. I'd also never buy his music. It bores me to death in general. My poetic side however loves some of his words. Completely OT: I love Bob Dylan's version! There's also some great guitar work, it's just more in the background, if you listen closely though, you'll hear some nice riffs. I'll never understand how one can find Dylan boring, he's everything else than that. Eirc Clapton's version is great, too, probably the second best to me. And then there are still the versions by Avril Lavigne, Selig and quite some others. When it comes to this song, it's Dylan, Clapton and after those the Gn'R version for me. Edited January 3, 2017 by Zurimor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I like the lyrics which he has written, I can relate to them, but he has written some shit lyrics too. There are other artists too which have written amazing lyrics I won't even further elaborate on this topic cause we know who has written this article....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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