Black Sabbath Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Tommy is right - no GN'R record is perfect by any means. Nope, not even Appetite. Sorry. That said, Chinese Democracy isn't a dud either Commercially, maybe, but that's not the albums fault. That's lack of promotion and basically just ignorance of people (between just not knowing fuck all about GN'R/CD, or the whole "It's not GN'R without Slash so I'm not accepting it" shit). It's a great album. As for premature, yeah obviously it sounds silly and the album should have been out years before (though I've always said it should have come out in 05/06 when the iron was really hot and Axl was in near-perfect form), but Axl and the band probably still felt it was premature since something about it in their eyes wasn't finished. Not to mention the fine details of the release, including promotion and even just the booklet/artwork. I think Tommy has been extremely honest and humble while doing so in any GN'R related interviews/questions since he's left the band. I like him more now than I ever have. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 28 minutes ago, Black Sabbath said: Tommy is right - no GN'R record is perfect by any means. Nope, not even Appetite. Sorry. That said, Chinese Democracy isn't a dud either Commercially, maybe, but that's not the albums fault. That's lack of promotion and basically just ignorance of people (between just not knowing fuck all about GN'R/CD, or the whole "It's not GN'R without Slash so I'm not accepting it" shit). It's a great album. As for premature, yeah obviously it sounds silly and the album should have been out years before (though I've always said it should have come out in 05/06 when the iron was really hot and Axl was in near-perfect form), but Axl and the band probably still felt it was premature since something about it in their eyes wasn't finished. Not to mention the fine details of the release, including promotion and even just the booklet/artwork. I think Tommy has been extremely honest and humble while doing so in any GN'R related interviews/questions since he's left the band. I like him more now than I ever have. Yeah, Anything Goes is a total dud. But everything else is perfect. Think About You completely ties the album together - don't you agree? But yeah, I agree with Tommy. It sounds ridiculous to say an album that was more than a decade in the making was released prematurely, but there are definitely some bits that could have used some touching up. Regardless, it is my second favorite GN'R album still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holographic Universe Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, StrangerInThisTown said: It really sucks he has to feel everything must be god-level until it's "good enough" to be released. And the eternal paradox is you still have turds like Rhiad on CD who make My World look like Coma. Rhiad is a qualified turd. I love everything Axl has created but I can't accept that song. Edited January 19, 2017 by The Holographic Universe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caught_in_a_Coma Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) Yo if there is truth to the statement in the thread title, Axl's cut of CD was/is probably amazing I'm gonna have to read through this thread. I can only imagine what's gone on in it Edited January 19, 2017 by Caught_in_a_Coma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) I wonder if the label or whoever got more material, maybe like the double cd Axl saw, but they put together a Best of or most GNR cd for Best buy. Axl did say he was happy with CD, so I'm not sure what Tommy is talking about and how important it is. He seems to talk a lot about record label interference. I wonder why that is. I hope we get the Director's Cut of CD one day. Edited January 19, 2017 by wasted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, wasted said: I wonder if the label or whoever got more material, maybe like the double cd Axl saw, but they put together a Best of or most GNR cd for Best buy. Axl did say he was happy with CD, so I'm not sure what Tommy is talking about and how important it is. He seems to talk a lot about record label interference. I wonder why that is. I hope we get the Director's Cut of CD one day. You've got this fucking record already, why not move on with new music instead of a remixed CD, a director's cut and a red handed cover all with of the same album. It's time to bury that shit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Free Bird said: You've got this fucking record already, why not move on with new music instead of a remixed CD, a director's cut and a red handed cover all with of the same album. It's time to bury that shit. I'm fine with moving on. Especially Slash and Duff back. I said one day I hope I can hear the full 2 disc album and remixes. The fact Axl brought it up after the release of CD and then again in 2014, I don't know it just keeps coming back. I don't see it as mutually exclusive. They could do a totally new album, then release CD II later. Edited January 19, 2017 by wasted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) ''Anything Goes'' is a bit of 1980's fluff, Appetite's only weak link. I do not understand why Tommy Stinson struggles so manfully to recall a flawless album as there are many throughout musical history; all one needs to do is recall The Stones' glorious late-'60s - early-70s four album run (Beggars - Exile), Little Richard's debut, or practically any album by N**l Y***g (self-censored so his name does not install the customary wrath of the moderation department). We can also look at Curtis Mayfield's discography, e.g Super Fly and Roots, and find flawless masterpieces. I'm sure others could cite Floyd, Zeppelin - or indeed albums within Tommy's own genre such as Nevermind the Bollocks and Raw Power. PS ''Riad'' may be a 'turd' but ''If the World'' is up there also, a song wallowing in its own inconsequentiality - this was what he spent millions and ten years of his life upon, a Latino salsa song? The title track also has some of Rose's most laughable lyrics and a riff so excruciatingly dull it listens to The Archers. Edited January 19, 2017 by DieselDaisy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedish Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Black Sabbath said: Tommy is right - no GN'R record is perfect by any means. Nope, not even Appetite. Sorry. That said, Chinese Democracy isn't a dud either Commercially, maybe, but that's not the albums fault. That's lack of promotion and basically just ignorance of people (between just not knowing fuck all about GN'R/CD, or the whole "It's not GN'R without Slash so I'm not accepting it" shit). It's a great album. As for premature, yeah obviously it sounds silly and the album should have been out years before (though I've always said it should have come out in 05/06 when the iron was really hot and Axl was in near-perfect form), but Axl and the band probably still felt it was premature since something about it in their eyes wasn't finished. Not to mention the fine details of the release, including promotion and even just the booklet/artwork. I think Tommy has been extremely honest and humble while doing so in any GN'R related interviews/questions since he's left the band. I like him more now than I ever have. Best post in this thread! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 12 hours ago, PappyTron said: Black Sabbath, the album, was recorded and mixed in two days. Two....days! Genius does not take years and years of twiddling knobs to get the right sound. Just plug in the guitars and mic and let it rip. Heck, Please Please Me was recorded from start to finish in an afternoon. Love Me Do>Scraped. This right here. I particularly like the Sabbath example, but so many of the truly classic albums were recorded in a day or less. All that tampering didn't do the songs on Chinese Democracy any good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Considering the album was recorded mostly between 2000-2004 and there were 32 songs they were working on, I wonder how much tinkering there really was. On the other hand, Axl as the Stanley Kubrick of rock is fun. Tommy said he re-recorded his parts 6-7 times. Not really sure. It wasn't recorded in 2 weeks. I'd love to hear that version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post maynard Posted January 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2017 6 hours ago, Black Sabbath said: 1. That's lack of promotion and basically just ignorance of people (between just not knowing fuck all about GN'R/CD, or the whole "It's not GN'R without Slash so I'm not accepting it" shit). 2. Axl and the band probably still felt it was premature since something about it in their eyes wasn't finished. Not to mention the fine details of the release, including promotion and even just the booklet/artwork. 1. LOL - So you are blaming the label and... people (?!) for it's failure? What a joke. How can you blame people for not knowing anything about CD if Axl kept it all secret? Remember GNROnline.com? I'm sorry man but there was 0 info about CD there, why do you blame people? Fuck man, how old are you again? And why are you rewriting history with the lack of promotion bullshit? That's simply untrue, come on! Even in Brazil there was special attention no other rock album ever got in stores and rock sites. Complete bullshit what you just wrote. One of the silliest posts I've read lately. Yikes. 2. The 'band' felt nothing. They were probably dying inside with every AXL (owner of the band, in total control of everything) delay. I can assure you, every musician was really happy and satisfied with their work. Be sure of that. Seriously dude, in every interview about CD and CD2 they said the same thing. "Up to Axl", "Can't tell you", "Axl is still doing this and that...". What you just wrote is insulting. The fine details.... Oh... That's cute. EVERY SINGLE BAND deals with the fine details just... fine. I mean, the CD cover was decided in 1999, 2000? Ok. Then you have the booklet. Axl had a decade and millions of dollars from the label to do whatever he wanted. MY GOD HOW DIFFICULT CD WAS HELL!!!! Yeah, good one dude. If only small bands had the STRUGGLES and DIFFICULTIES and lived THE HELL that was the CD process. Too bad there's not a facepalm button here. Your post was insulting. I hope this doesn't get deleted. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, wasted said: Considering the album was recorded mostly between 2000-2004 and there were 32 songs they were working on, I wonder how much tinkering there really was. On the other hand, Axl as the Stanley Kubrick of rock is fun. Tommy said he re-recorded his parts 6-7 times. Not really sure. It wasn't recorded in 2 weeks. I'd love to hear that version Maybe Axl said he always viewed Chinese as a double album, you know... 30 tunes mixed cause that is the album. I just can't ignore what Axl said about the music being 100% what he wanted to release, and that the second half was completed "for a while now". I'd like to hear all the versions. I do believe Axl is like Kubrick. He does that. He tinkers. A lot. Catcher demo, the 1999 leaks. Edited January 19, 2017 by Rovim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, Rovim said: Maybe Axl said he always viewed Chinese as an album, you know... 30 tunes mixed cause that is the album. I just can't ignore what Axl said about the music being 100% what he wanted to release, and that the second half was completed "for a while now". I'd like to hear all the versions. I do believe Axl is like Kubrick. He does that. He tinkers. A lot. Catcher demo, the 1999 leaks. So what did the red tape do? Just pick the most accessible songs and cut out the Silkworms, orchestra songs? Or was it more like okay these leaks and Shacklers/If the World, Scraped/Sorry. Then save this stuff for Slash on the follow up. Then Axl goes rogue, pops up with Dj to tour Asia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stress Fracture Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Credit where it's due, the record company got it right. If they hadn't acted when they did, we'd have been left waiting another six years for Ashba to re-record Robin's parts. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 18 hours ago, Silent Jay said: it seemed like still Axl wasn’t happy with it and so it kinda got yanked from his hands a little bit prematurely IT TOOK 11 (E-LE-VEN) YEARS AND WAS ALREADY RUINED BY HORRIBLE OVERPRODUCTION!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 The Best Buy deal meant they could wash their hands of GNR. We going to have to blow up the Death Star to get CD II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, wasted said: So what did the red tape do? Just pick the most accessible songs and cut out the Silkworms, orchestra songs? Or was it more like okay these leaks and Shacklers/If the World, Scraped/Sorry. Then save this stuff for Slash on the follow up. Then Axl goes rogue, pops up with Dj to tour Asia. I don't presume to know what happened, so what you're saying could have been the case - Axl and/or the label could've decided that the shit that got leaked had to be released and they've made adjustments with the rest of the album. This is what I remember happening: Axl said in the Trunk interview after Catcher leaked he wasn't sure if it was gonna make it on Chinese. Was that cause he didn't know if he wanted it released on Chinese 1, or was it because it was pending label approval? Axl replaced Atlas with This I Love. If he can do that cause Robin made a convincing case, does that mean he decides which tunes get released? I don't know if it even makes sense to me he can't release the tunes he wants to release, but that is possible I guess. Maybe the label decides number of albums, like it's gotta be just one disk. Could it be that the label just said: "no, no way we're gonna release a double album"? or was it Axl that just thought it would be a good idea to save half for later cause he truly believed he was gonna release another album 1 to 2 years after Chinese got released? Does the label even have that kind of power over Axl? that they can just tell him which tunes are too out there to release right now? and why was Axl so pissed off and didn't promote or tour for a year? I thought it was because Azoff was a shitstain and wanted to reunite the old line up, not because Chinese itself. Hard to believe him and the label would hold off on the tunes, saving some for Slash. Edited January 19, 2017 by Rovim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofnazareth Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 13 hours ago, Mendez said: I, for one, did miss the 1970s. What are some songs with riffs like scraped? Dude, listen to Black Sabbath, Budgie, UFO, Zep, Uriah Heep, Mountain, Rush, King Crimson (73-74), Nazareth, Montrose, early Grand Funk, BTO, Original Bad Company, Free, Jericho (1972), Thin Lizzy, Golden Earring, Deep Purple etc. if you want to hear badass riffs. It's cool that you like Scraped and you think it's badass, but there is so much out there for you to discover..which is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 48 minutes ago, wasted said: The Best Buy deal meant they could wash their hands of GNR. We going to have to blow up the Death Star to get CD II. Yeah The Vault it's pretty much like The Death Star I'm afraid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 57 minutes ago, Rovim said: I don't presume to know what happened, so what you're saying could have been the case - Axl and/or the label could've decided that the shit that got leaked had to be released and they've made adjustments with the rest of the album. This is what I remember happening: Axl said in the Trunk interview after Catcher leaked he wasn't sure if it was gonna make it on Chinese. Was that cause he didn't know if he wanted it released on Chinese 1, or was it because it was pending label approval? Axl replaced Atlas with This I Love. If he can do that cause Robin made a convincing case, does that mean he decides which tunes get released? I don't know if it even makes sense to me he can't release the tunes he wants to release, but that is possible I guess. Maybe the label decides number of albums, like it's gotta be just one disk. Could it be that the label just said: "no, no way we're gonna release a double album"? or was it Axl that just thought it would be a good idea to save half for later cause he truly believed he was gonna release another album 1 to 2 years after Chinese got released? Do the label even have that kind of power over Axl? that they can just tell him which tunes are too out there to release right now? and why was Axl so pissed off and didn't promote or tour for a year? I thought it was because Azoff was a shitstain and wanted to reunite the old line up, not because Chinese itself. Hard to believe him and the label would hold off on the tunes, saving some for Slash. It's one of the rumors on Chinese Whispers. The Blackout rumor. Part of the Reunion plan was to have Slash tour CD, like he's doing now, but then get him on the follow up. Beta is quoted as saying the songs are with the label and they are deciding what to release. In 2007 a pic of a tracklisting with Thyme, The General, Seven, Atlas Shrugged was leaked. There's not much chance of them wanting to pay to distribute/promo 2 cds. And would be bad business with Best buy willing to pay 14 mil for 1 cd. Axl hoped to get it out the following year. But CD wasn't successful enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, sonofnazareth said: Dude, listen to Black Sabbath, Budgie, UFO, Zep, Uriah Heep, Mountain, Rush, King Crimson (73-74), Nazareth, Montrose, early Grand Funk, BTO, Original Bad Company, Free, Jericho (1972), Thin Lizzy, Golden Earring, Deep Purple etc. if you want to hear badass riffs. It's cool that you like Scraped and you think it's badass, but there is so much out there for you to discover..which is better. If you want more stuff like Scraped I'd listen to some Prodigy records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, wasted said: If you want more stuff like Scraped I'd listen to some Prodigy records. Nahh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Nahh. or Evil Empire by RATM. Costanzo in the house. Did GNR invent Sub bass? Is that a Pitman innovation? I've never heard of it before. Sounds like something Jeremy Clarkson has installed in his Jag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Len Cnut Posted January 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2017 20 hours ago, Original said: ".....the huge ......... Replacements reunion shows?" LOL. Yeah- what an undertaking that musata been. To a certain generation and group of people The Replacements mean and meant more than GnR ever could, regardless (or perhaps because of) how many arenas they fill out. The Replacements were never about selling scented candles or beach towels y'see. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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