IncitingChaos Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 Looking back on 06 you realize how close he was to his 91-93 form. There were shows in 06 that were better from start to finish in terms of vocals than any show in Guns history. It sucks that he didn't start work on CD in 06. I think the album would have been vastly different. Instead he released an album that was basically a decade old and were without his best vocals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFGnR Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 On 5.2.2017 at 7:32 PM, TheSeeker said: OH SHIT - the account mentioned in the OP uploaded the full crowd-shot version of Rock am Ring! Thank you. Always wanted to watch an audience recording of RAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR 1991 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) On 2/14/2017 at 8:12 PM, IncitingChaos said: It sucks that he didn't start work on CD in 06. I think the album would have been vastly different. Instead he released an album that was basically a decade old and were without his best vocals Axl was laying down vocals as late as January 2007 in Vegas so your statement about his 2006 voice not being represented on the final album isn't true. Also, CD wasn't a decade old by 2006 -- the bulk of what's on CD was recorded from 2000-2004. The album still would've been relatively fresh had it came out in '06, but by 2008 it seemed like due to leaks and aging of some of the songs, the album may have felt dated on arrival. If the only thing keeping Axl from releasing it in 06 we're adding Ron and Frank's parts and tweaking vocals, then he should've let those go. 2006 is the last time the band had momentum and a semi-stable lineup that was still on the album. Edited February 15, 2017 by GNR 1991 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted February 15, 2017 Author Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 minute ago, GNR 1991 said: Axl was laying down vocals as late as January 2007 in Vegas so your statement about his 2006 voice not being represented on the final album isn't true. Also, CD wasn't a decade old by 2006 -- the bulk of what's on CD was recorded from 2000-2004. According to the guy mixing Axl's vocals in 99 the vocals hadn't been changed from the recordings in 99 to release in 08 on a majority of the songs. A large part of CD was finished by 02. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR 1991 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 minute ago, IncitingChaos said: According to the guy mixing Axl's vocals in 99 the vocals hadn't been changed from the recordings in 99 to release in 08 on a majority of the songs. A large part of CD was finished by 02. The vocals on the 99 demos (IRS, TWAT and Catcher) are the same as the final album, yes. I don't think songs like Better, Sorry, Shacklers, If The World, and Prostitute were ready or even written by 2002. Perhaps they could've been but it's hard to say. One thing that's true is that songs like Chinese and The Blues definitely weren't ready in 02, as they tinkered on those and added new stuff later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendez Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 43 minutes ago, GNR 1991 said: The vocals on the 99 demos (IRS, TWAT and Catcher) are the same as the final album, yes. I don't think songs like Better, Sorry, Shacklers, If The World, and Prostitute were ready or even written by 2002. Perhaps they could've been but it's hard to say. One thing that's true is that songs like Chinese and The Blues definitely weren't ready in 02, as they tinkered on those and added new stuff later on. I usually base if a song was done or not in a certain year by whos credited on the album notes. Josh Freese is credited for drum arrangement, and the first producer that worked on CD is also credited for initial production on either the song, or Axl's vox, so i think its a safe bet that the base of Prostitute was finished in 99, then Buckethaed came in in 2000 and did his parts for it possibly. I think If the World also has the initial production credits by the first producer as well Chinese is pretty much the same song as 2002. They kept them same drums since at least 2002 (as shown in the 2002 promos for the Boston show) up until Frank replaced him with his (imo boring) drums in 2007 (even though the Antiquiet leaks that were in 08 still had Brains drums, and no BBF). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted February 15, 2017 Author Share Posted February 15, 2017 36 minutes ago, Wagszilla said: Axl could've recorded his best vocal takes and that wouldn't have improved the songs. This is true, which is why I wish he would have written material starting in 06. Different mind, what's popular "now" versus "then", I think Axl could have come up with something different than what we got with CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6lake sa66ath Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 10 years has really made all the difference Fire his personal trainer already! ;-D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonizedmind Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 On 13/02/2017 at 11:08 AM, zombux said: ohh... 2006... the last year, GNR ever sounded damn strong, badass and on fire. loved that era! *Axl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombux Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 4 hours ago, colonizedmind said: *Axl true. the band has sounded near-perfect during almost every single year of their history. maybe except for 2001 and 1986, when it was more like a rehearsal year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtydane Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 On 2/6/2017 at 9:06 PM, Mooch14 said: I might have to dig out some of the old videos from my '06 Worcester MA show. I know there was some technical difficulties that night, but I remember how badass Axl sounded that night. Dude you catch down on the farm? I was SO PUMPED to hear it that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooch14 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 On February 16, 2017 at 7:12 AM, drtydane said: Dude you catch down on the farm? I was SO PUMPED to hear it that night. For sure! haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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