GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

[Jane M.]

16 minutes ago, Frey said:

Because it's tiresome when people ask the same questions and say the same things over and over. I have a whole list of things I'd be happy to never see brought up again. And as I said, it doesn't hurt to use the search function. In a thread as long as the original one, there's a good chance you'll find the answer to any question you might have in there. And not too sure about your last point, I have my suspicions about some people on this board.

You're gonna be upset for a long time.

My last point, no need getting upset because someone has a different opinion about Axl's health or the band interactions with one another. We as fans get passionate (I know I've done it, many times) about stuff we really don't know anything. 

That's it. I'll leave you alone now because you said you're grumpy. 

[Ubukitty]

18 minutes ago, Ubukitty said:

Don't know if I'm allowed to post the pics but basically she and her model friend are obviously drunk, half dressed and taking naked pics of her friends boobs. Question is, who took the pic. Looks kinda like Axl's house.

Ok so just checked Insta and she removed all but one of the pics she posted last night. Feeling a little remorse.

[Whiskey Rose]

6 hours ago, killuridols said:

And going around saying a woman 7 years older than him is his mom?

Not only that, such woman saying on tv that she is his mom? 

What does that indicate?

I think @Ubukitty had a great interpretation for this, and I pretty much agree. Bottom line, most people who grow up without a nurturing mother type figure rarely get a second chance..he did finally find someone late in life who is 100% in his corner, and interestingly enough, not a love interest either which is also out of the norm; so there really is no way for us to fully understand the strength of this bond..I understand how it may seem strange to some of us though.

 

6 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I just ate dinner  

I get that, it's not just the lack of pictures that's a worrying sign. It's the lack of coming out of his hotel room at all and having meals taken to him. The way he is on stage seems very very unlike Axl. I don't know how someone can change their whole personality overnight??? I don't know, just something seems really odd to me. 

He doesn't even seem to be going out at night like he always used to. 

This tour has a lot more than the usual riding on it, maybe he's feeling it? 

But he always did have this jokey side to his personality..so the onstage thing doesn't seem that strange to me..plus, I think he is really truly happy up there with them.

I'm not sure about the not coming out of his hotel room..in addition to all that has been discussed by @frey (dammit, can't tag again!) I do see how it could be that the performances take all of his energy, and there is nothing left of himself afterwards..some actors, etc are like this. Whether this is a form of depression is certainly a possibility, but it could also be that he has just become a hermit, and only shines when he is onstage and in "rockstar mode." He interacts well enough with others to have formed a (seemingly) special bond with Melissa, so I don't think we have to worry about him too much. He is doing things on his own terms, as usual, but this time with a much more mellow edge.

 

Also, sorry that I came back to this topic hours later, but I didn't want to not respond.

[BlueJean Baby]

5 hours ago, killuridols said:

Managers have a name: managers.

Coincidentally, they could happen to be your parents as well.

Not the case here. She's not his mother.

Taking care of his business and personal affairs does not automatically make anyone the mother or father of somebody else.

What the hell are we talking about?

Please reread what I said. She in a sense takes care of him. He cares for her and thinks of her as a mother figure. 

And there is nothing wrong with that scenario in my opinion.

 

[killuridols]

3 hours ago, Frey said:

I agree with that, so I really don't think I was referring to you if that is what you said.

In fact I think the bolded is really sad: Axl should be these kids' Uncle Axl and he should have seen them grow up. And he/they shouldn't have wasted so many years of their life with so much ridiculous drama. But it's too late for most of that now and nothing can really be done about it.

Maybe Slash, Axl and Duff will get closer again and maybe Axl will be able to have some kind of relationship with their kids. With Grace being so into music and wanting to be a singer, they have some common ground to bond over for example. But it will never be what it should have been.

Fair enough.

Didn't Duff say he wishes Axl had been around when his kids were little? I think I have a recollection of such words.

I told Susan last year that it would be cool for Grace to sing duet with Axl and her response was "that would be sweet", plus lots of hearts and emojis, lol.

 

2 hours ago, Ubukitty said:

Here's my opinion regarding Beta- Axl never really had a mother who did motherly things for him and his family wasn't the type of upbringing any of us would've wanted.

I'm always wary of what Axl has said about his mom because it comes from a dark place in his heart and I would have liked to know the other side of the story as well.

There's no doubt the relationship was conflictive and it has marked him for the rest of his life. But then Steven's mom said she saw Axl's mom at a GN'R show and that inmediately made me wonder about that.... Because Axl paints his mom as a monster, a woman who should have never had any kids, and so I figured she never supported him with his career. But now a new element is out there and changes part of the idea or image I had of the whole thing.

 

3 hours ago, Ubukitty said:

Regarding the Sasha topic, I've never had an opinion on her either way UNTIL YESTERDAY. The pics on Insta IMO were a call for attention. What woman in her 30's puts photos like that on social media. Now I don't have a problem with what she does in her private life, behind closed doors etc. Most of her pics have been fine until I saw those. She's supposed to be a model as are most of her friends and all I ever see is her drinking or drunk in her pics. Does she work? Shouldn't she be thinking about her future and who's going to hire someone like that. It's not attractive to see someone her age drunk and posting photos you will most likely regret.

Didn't you take a screenshot or something? Now I'm curious 

I think I missed on that.

Being 32 or 33 years old, her work as a model must be running out faster than slower. I always thought she was nothing but an escort, masking up this job with the so-called modeling thing, but what kind of modeling does she do? Where are her pictures? I can't find any of her work online and if there is something,  it is really old.

25 minutes ago, Whiskey Rose said:

I think @Ubukitty had a great interpretation for this, and I pretty much agree. Bottom line, most people who grow up without a nurturing mother type figure rarely get a second chance..he did finally find someone late in life who is 100% in his corner, and interestingly enough, not a love interest either which is also out of the norm; so there really is no way for us to fully understand the strength of this bond..I understand how it may seem strange to some of us though.

I do understand all the reasons why he thinks of Beta in that way but I think this also speaks loud about his mental state so that's why I was asking you those questions. Not necessarily needed an answer because I already had it. It was more of a Socratic method I wanted to pull. Lol.

18 minutes ago, BlueJean Baby said:

Please reread what I said. She in a sense takes care of him. He cares for her and thinks of her as a mother figure. 

And there is nothing wrong with that scenario in my opinion.

Why does a 54 years old man need a woman to play mom and take care of him?

I'm not saying he doesn't need love. We all need love and we all want love from our parents, children, partner, uncles, aunts, etc. but Beta takes care of him like she would with a 6 years old child.

That's what is odd about it, not to mention again the age gap.

 

[Whiskey Rose]

11 minutes ago, killuridols said:

It was more of a Socratic method I wanted to pull. Lol.

Cheeky.

 

 

[killuridols]

7 minutes ago, Whiskey Rose said:

Cheeky.

[Blackstar]

6 hours ago, Frey said:

If I try to be really optimistic, I could see this being true:

Being embarrassed about something (especially if you're feeling like a failure in life for some reason) and being naturally introverted can cause behavior like Axl's (though it doesn't explain the staying in his room all the time thing). I'm pretty introverted myself (though most people would never guess it) and I often just don't feel up to the idea of socializing or going to parties/events, even if it's my friends and people I love and care about that I would be hanging out with. Socializing is fucking exhausting (at least for introverts) and if I'm not in the mood, I'll make excuses to avoid that kind of thing. And it got even worse when I didn't have a job for a while. I had a couple of months were I just couldn't find work and I was so embarrassed about being job-less that I basically avoided social gatherings of any kind all together. I just hated people asking me how the job hunt was going/if I'd already found a job/what my plans were and so forth. So I basically pulled an Axl for a couple of months.

If Slash's and Duff's families really do make Axl feel awkward and embarrassed about his own life, or even depressed because they remind him of what he wanted and doesn't have (as is often theorized here), then I can see him avoidong them as much as possible.

Axl hanging out with the freak show makes a lot of sense as well when viewed from this point of view- they're just hangers-on, and they have very superficial relationships with him. Which means they're easy to hang out with, they don't ask uncomfortable questions, don't remind him of things he doesn't like thinking about, they're basically the low-anxiety alternative to being alone.

Slash and Duff on the other hand... these two know Axl very well, know where he came from, know things about him the freak show doesn't know, supposedly care about him and probably are concerned about him. They might ask uncomfortable questions, might say things and makes suggestions he doesn't want to hear, might get under his skin in a way the freak show people can't.

And let's not forget Axl is also a really fucking sensitive guy and he even gets upset about really small things or stuff other people wouldn't even think to get upset about. From his POV, he might actually be afraid of getting too close to them again, after getting burned the first time around. Or maybe seeing Slash and Duff interact with their children/partners makes him really upset or sad, or even jealous. Who knows. Anything is possible with Axl.

This is a pretty sad explanation already, and I said that's my more optimistic interpretation of the situation. But the truth is, I'm a pessimist, so I suspect things are even worse in reality and more along the lines of this:

8 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I get that, it's not just the lack of pictures that's a worrying sign. It's the lack of coming out of his hotel room at all and having meals taken to him. The way he is on stage seems very very unlike Axl. I don't know how someone can change their whole personality overnight??? I don't know, just something seems really odd to me. 

He doesn't even seem to be going out at night like he always used to. 

This tour has a lot more than the usual riding on it, maybe he's feeling it? 

I think what you're perceiving is Axl either being mentallly unwell in some way and/or Axl being on some heavy medication. Remember when that interview with Duff and Axl came out and most of us commented that Axl seemed really off somehow? We speculated that he was on meds back then as well and I still think that's a good theory.

And while meds might be a good thing for many people, knowing who Axl's care takers are makes me immediately highly sceptical of the whole situation. TB have never shown good sense or judgment when it comes to dealing with Axl's mental health issues.

 

Anyway, those are basically the two theories it all comes down to in the end imo. Most likely it's a combination of both. I honestly don't know what can or should be done about it. I kind of think Slash and Duff should be trying harder to pull Axl out of his shell and involve him more, but they have more concerns than just Axl and the band these days, and who knows, maybe they are already trying.

These are all very plausible theories imo.

About the possibility of Axl currently being on meds: it's something I've been thinking for a while too. The fact that he doesn't leave his hotel room is worrying; maybe it's the only way for him right now to cope with this tour (and the one with AC/DC) without fucking up. But it combined with how he acts on stage is what strikes me the most. Yes, Axl used to be goofy on stage in the past like @Whiskey Rose said, but being happy-go-lucky all the time, without even a little sign of him being nervous/irritated/annoyed about something, is not natural and "normal" for him. I don't think that maturity or him "behaving" due to contract terms are good enough explanations for this. I agree with @MillionsOfSpiders that personality traits don't disappear just like that.

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About the Beta-mom thing: It's certainly weird; but in regards to the small age difference, I think that maybe it has partly to do with that his mother was very young (both his parents were - his stepdad, as we found out in this thread, was even younger) and it's possible that she looked even younger than her age, so it's not abnormal to him to see a woman a little older than him as his "mom". Another thing that maybe adds to this theory is that, aside from Erin who was close to his age (and who Axl often referred to as a "friend-lover"), most of the women Axl dated/went with before her (I've read stories about 15-year-olds) and after her were considerably younger than him; maybe he sees women that are a bit older than him as women who could be his "moms".

Edited March 23, 2017 by Blackstar

[BlueJean Baby]

21 minutes ago, killuridols said:

 

Why does a 54 years old man need a woman to play mom and take care of him?

I'm not saying he doesn't need love. We all need love and we all want love from our parents, children, partner, uncles, aunts, etc. but Beta takes care of him like she would with a 6 years old child.

That's what is odd about it, not to mention again the age gap.

 

I don't think she is playing mom...she manages his business dealings and takes care of his personal business, as well. She has been there for him when he needed someone to help him through rough times, when no one else really was. I do not see that as treating him like a six year old. He cares for her like he would if she were his mother. Their age difference doesn't have anything to do with anything. If it works for him, why should anyone be questioning it?? He is 55 years old, he can handle his life however he wishes.

Note I just got off work and I am tired and grumpy too...not trying to cause an argument, just stating what is obvious to me and how I feel about this topic.

[stella]

12 hours ago, Axl`s BFF said:

I`m pretty sure he doesn`t believe she is his mother I think the term is a way of describing her role in his life she`s the one constant in his life for over 20 yrs she`s never let him down

what`s so wrong with keeping his life private and maybe susan with her pics of him chose to respect that maybe a lot of his friends respect that !  he`s said himself he goes places where no one is interested in him at the end of the day we see pictures of slash and duff and their families because they choose to let us Axl chooses not to

I think he`s come through all his dramas and seems calmer and happier in his life right now and as a fan of almost 30 years I`m glad for him he deserves it

This. It's his 'chosen' mom. It's not something that uncommon in the scheme of things - plenty of people have chosen families rather than biological ones because of how things turned out for them, and because their biological families might not have been the best. I honestly don't think Axl would still be here if not for TB.

As for the hanging out, I agree with Axl's BFF here. We don't see his life. That doesn't mean it's not happening. Duff and Slash don't post all their escapades with different friends either. Axl has mentioned before he's had aversions to social media (I think in one of the forum talks he mentioned something about people having their entire lives on line). He's had stalkers. He's been criticized heavily in the press. What part of that would lead him to say, "sure! Let's document every damn thing I do online?"

We don't know he only hangs out with younger people. It's speculation. As for being jealous or sad about being single, also speculation. There's nothing wrong with not getting married, and many guys in their 40s and 50s are navigating divorces (they wait until the kids are older and then break up..iprime First Wives' Club years). We're making inferences from a handful of Insta photos and that's not cool. Why are there more photos of Axl and the younger folks? Because those millennials are Instagramming every second of their lives, and of course they're telling the world they met Axl Rose. Maybe his old friends don't feel the need to announce themselves that way. We know he's had quite a few people around him over the years that are his age - people like Del James, Mark Canter, his Indiana friends, Paul Tobias, etc. DJ Ashba might have looked like a kid but he was in his 40s. Baz is in his late 40s and he's still friends w/Axl.

Emma Watson was recently talking about how she doesn't let fans take photos of her anymore because it geotags/time stamps her location and who she's with. Some celebs really do worry about privacy and safety, and they don't want people to know where they go, who their friends are, and what they do. Think of all the celebs who never really show photos of their spouses and kids. Same reason. Nobody wants to be the next John Lennon or Rebecca Schaeffer.

Edited March 23, 2017 by stella

[killuridols]

8 minutes ago, BlueJean Baby said:

I don't think she is playing mom...she manages his business dealings and takes care of his personal business, as well. She has been there for him when he needed someone to help him through rough times, when no one else really was. I do not see that as treating him like a six year old. He cares for her like he would if she were his mother. Their age difference doesn't have anything to do with anything. If it works for him, why should anyone be questioning it?? He is 55 years old, he can handle his life however he wishes.

It sounds like you never watched this...

 

11 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

About the Beta-mom thing: It's certainly weird; but in regards to the small age difference, I think that maybe it has partly to do with that his mother was very young (both his parents were - his stepdad, as we found out in this thread, was even younger) and it's possible that she looked even younger than her age, so it's not abnormal to him to see a woman a little older than him as his "mom". Another thing that maybe adds to this theory is that, aside from Erin who was close to his age (and who Axl often referred to as a "friend-lover"), most of the women Axl dated/went with before her (I've read stories about 15-year-olds) and after her were considerably younger than him; maybe he sees women that are a bit older than him as women who could be his "moms".

that sounded pretty funny and I laughed hard...!

I agree that part of what could make him see Beta as a mother comes from his biological mom being so young when she had him but man, there's always the possibility of dating someone your age and Beta is not even as old as his mom was. She could perfectly be his wife if they both wanted.

A lot of old guys don't find attraction in women their age and older or sometimes a few years younger. They always want the girl in her 20's, for a lot of reasons. When women date younger men, it is always a scandal but the other way around is seen as cool and the guy must be a winner (also with lots of money, lol).

Such a patriarchal bullshit.......

[Blackstar]

7 minutes ago, killuridols said:

A lot of old guys don't find attraction in women their age and older or sometimes a few years younger. They always want the girl in her 20's, for a lot of reasons. When women date younger men, it is always a scandal but the other way around is seen as cool and the guy must be a winner (also with lots of money, lol).

Yeah, I agree, but Axl seemed to have a preference for women a lot younger than him even when he was young...

[stella]

6 hours ago, Frey said:

If Slash's and Duff's families really do make Axl feel awkward and embarrassed about his own life, or even depressed because they remind him of what he wanted and doesn't have (as is often theorized here), then I can see him avoidong them as much as possible.Anyway, those are basically the two theories it all comes down to in the end imo. Most likely it's a combination of both. I honestly don't know what can or should be done about it. I kind of think Slash and Duff should be trying harder to pull Axl out of his shell and involve him more, but they have more concerns than just Axl and the band these days, and who knows, maybe they are already trying.

If Axl still  wanted to be married or have kids, he'd likely have found a way to manage it by now, even if it meant adopting kids like some other celebrities have done. He had parties for years and years at his home where he invited kids and their families. He interacts with Beta's kids and grandchildren. It seems like he's content where he is. Not getting married or not having kids...neither of those things are "failures."

Axl's managed to successfully get through tours with two different bands in a year, has mended ties with Slash and Duff and is touring with them again...Slash and Duff are back in his life and by all accounts things seem to be going well with the three of them. if they're not hanging out a lot offstage, well, do you like to hang out all the time with your work colleagues, even if you like them and consider them friends?

 

[Ubukitty]

2 hours ago, BlueJean Baby said:

Please reread what I said. She in a sense takes care of him. He cares for her and thinks of her as a mother figure. 

And there is nothing wrong with that scenario in my opinion.

 

Damn, out of likes again.

[Ubukitty]

2 hours ago, killuridols said:

Fair enough.

Didn't Duff say he wishes Axl had been around when his kids were little? I think I have a recollection of such words.

I told Susan last year that it would be cool for Grace to sing duet with Axl and her response was "that would be sweet", plus lots of hearts and emojis, lol.

 

I'm always wary of what Axl has said about his mom because it comes from a dark place in his heart and I would have liked to know the other side of the story as well.

There's no doubt the relationship was conflictive and it has marked him for the rest of his life. But then Steven's mom said she saw Axl's mom at a GN'R show and that inmediately made me wonder about that.... Because Axl paints his mom as a monster, a woman who should have never had any kids, and so I figured she never supported him with his career. But now a new element is out there and changes part of the idea or image I had of the whole thing.

 

Didn't you take a screenshot or something? Now I'm curious 

I think I missed on that.

Being 32 or 33 years old, her work as a model must be running out faster than slower. I always thought she was nothing but an escort, masking up this job with the so-called modeling thing, but what kind of modeling does she do? Where are her pictures? I can't find any of her work online and if there is something,  it is really old.

I do understand all the reasons why he thinks of Beta in that way but I think this also speaks loud about his mental state so that's why I was asking you those questions. Not necessarily needed an answer because I already had it. It was more of a Socratic method I wanted to pull. Lol.

Why does a 54 years old man need a woman to play mom and take care of him?

I'm not saying he doesn't need love. We all need love and we all want love from our parents, children, partner, uncles, aunts, etc. but Beta takes care of him like she would with a 6 years old child.

That's what is odd about it, not to mention again the age gap.

 

Imagine if you will all of the millionaires in this world that live in these huge compounds. They require many people to take care of them, housekeepers, nannies, landscapers, business people etc. Most of the time they don't know these people, they come in as strangers. It's very difficult to trust in these people but you have to do it. Some of them screw you and some stay with you for many years. I believe when Axl found he could trust in Beta then she started to fill some of these needs. The longer she was with him the relationship grew and so did her responsibilities. She went above and beyond just being an employee. He found an insider he could trust and he's not going to let that go, especially considering all that he's been through in the past. As far as I know she's no longer his manager, Fernando is. I think it's really difficult for him to not think of her as a mother figure considering all that she's seen and done for him.

I really wish I had taken a screenshot of Sasha. It was kinda late and I assumed when I woke up it would be all over the thread. I've even checked my history and it doesn't show up. When I didn't see it in the forum this morning I went back to her Insta and she deleted them. Regarding the modeling, the only pics I see are of her modeling underwear for a certain company, but haven't seen them for a while.

[solstar]

Very interesting thoughts everyone! I really like reading your speculations on the ever intriguing issue of Axl's social life - it's def helped me broaden my perspective on it. 

I'm still on the fence here though: I'm more inclined to think that Axl does not appear in Sluff's family pictures because he doesn't actually hang out with them (while he does appear in the freak show's pictures because he does hang out with them). I guess I don't buy the privacy/no-pic policy theory because we saw pictures of Axl not only hanging with the freak show, but also with the intelligent models and even Angus last year. However, on a brighter note, I reckon there's still a chance that he might hang out with Sluff alone and we might be completely unaware of those meetings because, after all, it is always Meegan and Susan who share pictures of their private life in the social media.

Whatever the case may be, I reckon we all want Axl to hang out with the guys because we think that that would make him (and us) happy, but I wonder whether that is true. They've been apart for such a long time and their lives look so different now that maybe they don't have many things in common now apart from work.

I wonder what he feels he has in common with the freak show though.

 

22 hours ago, stella said:

Perhaps he was taking the photo.

In all truth, though, just because there's no photo documentation of it doesn't mean that Axl's not hanging out with them, or hanging out in general...there have been at least a handful of times that he's specifically requested no photos.

Which times are you talking about?

8 hours ago, Frey said:

Anyway, those are basically the two theories it all comes down to in the end imo. Most likely it's a combination of both. I honestly don't know what can or should be done about it. I kind of think Slash and Duff should be trying harder to pull Axl out of his shell and involve him more, but they have more concerns than just Axl and the band these days, and who knows, maybe they are already trying.

Exactly this. Since it is them who seem to have formed their own little social group, I also think it should be them who should try to include Axl more. But as you said, maybe they have already tried and failed.

23 hours ago, killuridols said:

I think it is connected with his arrest after the altercation with his neighbor. Police torn the door down to get him.T

Thanks! That makes a lot of sense. Tbh the thought of Axl damaging the door in a DV incident was very disturbing.

3 hours ago, killuridols said:

Didn't you take a screenshot or something? Now I'm curious 

I think I missed on that.

Being 32 or 33 years old, her work as a model must be running out faster than slower. I always thought she was nothing but an escort, masking up this job with the so-called modeling thing, but what kind of modeling does she do? Where are her pictures? I can't find any of her work online and if there is something,  it is really old.I

 

Sasha is def a question mark. I really can't make up my mind about her. Have we ever heard this woman speak at least?

[killuridols]

1 hour ago, Ubukitty said:

Imagine if you will all of the millionaires in this world that live in these huge compounds. They require many people to take care of them, housekeepers, nannies, landscapers, business people etc. Most of the time they don't know these people, they come in as strangers. It's very difficult to trust in these people but you have to do it. Some of them screw you and some stay with you for many years. I believe when Axl found he could trust in Beta then she started to fill some of these needs. The longer she was with him the relationship grew and so did her responsibilities. She went above and beyond just being an employee. He found an insider he could trust and he's not going to let that go, especially considering all that he's been through in the past. As far as I know she's no longer his manager, Fernando is. I think it's really difficult for him to not think of her as a mother figure considering all that she's seen and done for him.

All of you try to explain to me the same thing over and over and it is always the same excuse for his odd behavior that has nothing to do with being a millionaire or needing help with whatever shit.

You are all blinded to the truth of this man-child with mommy issues.

Now I'm sure if it was Steven who we were talking about, opinions would be way different. None of you have a crush on Steven so he gets no love. 

57 minutes ago, solstar said:

I wonder what he feels he has in common with the freak show though.

Freedom. Alcohol. No commitments or steady relationship. Extravagant shit. Something about sex.

1 hour ago, solstar said:

Thanks! That makes a lot of sense. Tbh the thought of Axl damaging the door in a DV incident was very disturbing.

I wouldn't rule it out. He had a thing for destroying apartments and furniture but since she said front door, I assumed that it could have been around that time when police showed up to arrest him.

1 hour ago, solstar said:

Sasha is def a question mark. I really can't make up my mind about her. Have we ever heard this woman speak at least

No, she was never introduced anywhere. Even when he was out and about with her and he allowed to be photographed in those occasions, she was never regarded as an official girlfriend or anything of the sort.

Last year, a fan who made it to the China Exchange thing, mentioned here that Sasha said something while Axl was replying to a question and the fan noticed her "broken English". But nothing we have proof of.

[killuridols]

On a healthier note .... The lazy personal trainer just posted this video of Duff working out, getting ready for the new leg of the tour. 

 

 

[solstar]

23 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Freedom. Alcohol. No commitments or steady relationship. Extravagant shit. Something about sex.

Probably.

In a way, who Axl decides to hang out with says a lot about his current state of mind, and his likes and interests. You know, birds of a feather...

It could also be an indication of some sort of "Peter Pan syndrome", in the sense that he might not feel at ease with the passing of time (as we had speculated when we discussed his wardrobe choices iirc) and might feel young when hanging around these people. Also, if he thinks of Beta as a motherly figure, he might as well consider Fernando some sort of peer.

23 minutes ago, killuridols said:

No, she was never introduced anywhere. Even when he was out and about with her and he allowed to be photographed in those occasions, she was never regarded as an official girlfriend or anything of the sort.

Last year, a fan who made it to the China Exchange thing, mentioned here that Sasha said something while Axl was replying to a question and the fan noticed her "broken English". But nothing we have proof of.

Isn't it extremelly strange? I mean, the fact that there are apparently no videos of this woman talking about anything at all? I figure if she's actually been a model for many years now, shouldn't there be some public record of her making some comment about fashion at least?

 

[killuridols]

27 minutes ago, solstar said:

Probably.

In a way, who Axl decides to hang out with says a lot about his current state of mind, and his likes and interests. You know, birds of a feather...

It could also be an indication of some sort of "Peter Pan syndrome", in the sense that he might not feel at ease with the passing of time (as we had speculated when we discussed his wardrobe choices iirc) and might feel young when hanging around these people. Also, if he thinks of Beta as a motherly figure, he might as well consider Fernando some sort of peer.

I think all the choices he makes are indicative of his state of mind and approach in life. Even if some blinded fans want to make excuses for him, none of us can live a 100% reclusive life where there are no witnesses of anything. There's always someone around.

Yeah, I assume that at his age he's able to choose who to hang out with, as opposed to when you are a teenager and have a lot of peer pressure to fit in groups and circles.

Peter Pan syndrome he's had for a long time. Even he said he was stuck at 2 years old because he could never overcome the abuse he went through as a child.

But I think there is more to it.... The freak show has special traits that are of his interest. It's not just the youth element. To me it is the dark side of them. They are more like him, this "rocket queen" kind of vibe they have.

27 minutes ago, solstar said:

Isn't it extremelly strange? I mean, the fact that there are apparently no videos of this woman talking about anything at all? I figure if she's actually been a model for many years now, shouldn't there be some public record of her making some comment about fashion at least?

Umm... No, I don't think it is extremely strange because the reality of her is that she has no relevance in fashion industry. She's not a word of authority in nothing regarding fashion so who's going to interview her and what for?

From the little I've seen of her, it seems to me she was more of a catalogue model and her real income generated by the escort job. That and also attending events with other models or women who are used as flower jars in meetings, gatherings, product presentations, etc.

Edited March 23, 2017 by killuridols

[stella]

3 hours ago, solstar said:

Very interesting thoughts everyone! I really like reading your speculations on the ever intriguing issue of Axl's social life - it's def helped me broaden my perspective on it. 

I'm still on the fence here though: I'm more inclined to think that Axl does not appear in Sluff's family pictures because he doesn't actually hang out with them (while he does appear in the freak show's pictures because he does hang out with them). I guess I don't buy the privacy/no-pic policy theory because we saw pictures of Axl not only hanging with the freak show, but also with the intelligent models and even Angus last year. However, on a brighter note, I reckon there's still a chance that he might hang out with Sluff alone and we might be completely unaware of those meetings because, after all, it is always Meegan and Susan who share pictures of their private life in the social media.

Whatever the case may be, I reckon we all want Axl to hang out with the guys because we think that that would make him (and us) happy, but I wonder whether that is true. They've been apart for such a long time and their lives look so different now that maybe they don't have many things in common now apart from work.

 

3 hours ago, solstar said:

 

I am liking this discussion too!

I'm having trouble quoting here for some reason, but there have been several "no photos" instances. One I can think of is when he did that Eddie Trunk interview with Baz. And he's said straight out that he is not fond of social media.

During the early 90s, Axl had a variety of friends around him. The press didn't know them all, and there weren't images of all of them. He basically flew under the radar as much as possible - the man lived down the block from Tower Records and a few blocks from the Whisky and Roxy when he was super famous, and most of those fans probably had no idea he was right under their noses. Up until the mid-00s, Marc Canter was one of his closest friends. Ever seen a photo of them together after the UYI years? Nope, me neither. How about a photo of him with Paul Tobias or Del James, during those years? Not so much unless they were onstage. But we know they were friends with him.

Think about the other celebrity photos we see. We see them going to premieres, hobnobbing at celebrity parties, and hanging out with various other celebrities, as well as people who are thrilled to meet them and post photos. We don't see them going about their normal lives unless a paparazzo finds them or they choose to post about it, which they usually don't. How many of them mention their "offstage" friends?

For that matter...do *we* publicly post all our interactions with friends?

The photos we see of Axl are usually the ones surrounding the shows and the public events that he does. The friends we see him with in the photos are mostly the hangers-on at the shows. Axl's said himself that in his own life he has hung out in the places the paps don't go, where he's not likely to be noticed. He's a 55 year old man; he's not hanging on Instagram all day long, and it's in his best interests to keep some privacy.

Edited March 23, 2017 by stella

[stella]

And as for him hanging out with Slash and Duff, I personally think he does see them at least sometimes, but it's off-camera. Duff and Slash aren't broadcasting everything they do either. However...they're all men in their 50s. They run what is essentially a multi-million dollar company and brand. They're not dudebros in their early 20s living together on the Sunset Strip anymore, and they're not going to interact the same way. It doesn't mean they're friends or not friends...those of us who are, say, over 30: unless you happen to live very close to your siblings or BFFs, are you guys hanging out all the time? If you don't get to see each other all the time, does it mean you're *not* friends or you hate each other? Of course not.

[RooSaa]

Does Duff still live in Seattle? or in LA?

[The Cosmic Ted]

46 minutes ago, RooSaa said:

Does Duff still live in Seattle? or in LA?

I think he lives in Seattle.

[Frey]

@stella It's so good to have you back. Your thoughts are always about 80% less dramatic and gloomy than most poeple's. And refreshingly optimistic  I actually agree with some of the things you said, but some points I just feel too cynical and suspicious about to be able to really believe in them.

 

8 hours ago, BlueJean Baby said:

I don't think she is playing mom...she manages his business dealings and takes care of his personal business, as well. She has been there for him when he needed someone to help him through rough times, when no one else really was. I do not see that as treating him like a six year old. He cares for her like he would if she were his mother. Their age difference doesn't have anything to do with anything. If it works for him, why should anyone be questioning it?? He is 55 years old, he can handle his life however he wishes.

Note I just got off work and I am tired and grumpy too...not trying to cause an argument, just stating what is obvious to me and how I feel about this topic.

I said more or less the same thing in an earlier post and part of me agrees, but part of me also understands why some people are creeped out.

I certainly felt creeped out when Beta made it sound like she tucked Axl into bed at night and gave him good night kisses in these weird old interviews. Or when Duswald said he basically had to stay up with Axl and tell him bed time stories until he could fall asleep. Or when Beta went all "I'M HIS MOMMMMYYY!" in the recent Brazilian interview (so yeah, she definitely is playing his mom).

Reminds me of when Axl came to this forum and a couple of assholes made comments (to his face) about Beta wiping his butt for him or cutting his food up for him. He didn't react well to that. Sad I missed out on that, seems like those were some interesting times on this board. And at least I wouldn't have treated Axl like such a douchebag lol.

 

9 hours ago, killuridols said:

Fair enough.

Didn't Duff say he wishes Axl had been around when his kids were little? I think I have a recollection of such words.

I told Susan last year that it would be cool for Grace to sing duet with Axl and her response was "that would be sweet", plus lots of hearts and emojis, lol.

 

I'm always wary of what Axl has said about his mom because it comes from a dark place in his heart and I would have liked to know the other side of the story as well.

There's no doubt the relationship was conflictive and it has marked him for the rest of his life. But then Steven's mom said she saw Axl's mom at a GN'R show and that inmediately made me wonder about that.... Because Axl paints his mom as a monster, a woman who should have never had any kids, and so I figured she never supported him with his career. But now a new element is out there and changes part of the idea or image I had of the whole thing.

 

Really? That's sweet. I'd be down for an Axl/Grace duet 

Or even for Grace having a guest appearance on stage with GNR.

I think Duff said something in one of his books about being sad that Axl didn't see his kids grow up.

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Why do you put so much stock into what Steven's mother says? She just briefly met Axl's mom at a concert. Anyone can appear like a nice, sweet person if you only spend a couple minutes talking to them.

Not to mention the fact that I wouldn't trust the judgement of Mrs. Adler in the first place. She comes across as pretty crazy, contradicts herself in her stories in an effort to paint herself as the victim, and mostly comes out of the woodwork if there's a chance to profit off Steven's fame.

Also, I'm not sure Axl even still feels any particularly dark thoughts about his mother. Didn't Beta say something like "He doesn't hate her, he just doesn't understand why she never protected him."? And he supposedly was there when his mom died as well, iirc. Or Axl never singing Bad Obsession even. So I get the impression there's not that much lingering resentment and bitterness left in him.

 

10 hours ago, Jane M. said:

You're gonna be upset for a long time.

My last point, no need getting upset because someone has a different opinion about Axl's health or the band interactions with one another. We as fans get passionate (I know I've done it, many times) about stuff we really don't know anything. 

That's it. I'll leave you alone now because you said you're grumpy. 

Yes, Grrrrrr.

(Also, I'm not upset, I'm irritated. There's a difference. )

 

8 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Yeah, I agree, but Axl seemed to have a preference for women a lot younger than him even when he was young...

I'm curious about what makes you say that? Most of the women (and guys?) Axl had relationships with when he was younger were his age or a few years younger. Gina, Erin, Steph, Slash... all were perfectly normal relationships, age-wise.

All the groupies and strippers equally seemed to have been roughly Axl's age.

The only instance I can think of that stands out in my memory is Axl saying something about a 12 year old. But I choose to believe that was a dumb joke because

(But then again, Slash did mention getting a blow job from an 11 year old, so who the fuck knows )

 

8 hours ago, Blackstar said:

These are all very plausible theories imo.

About the possibility of Axl currently being on meds: it's something I've been thinking for a while too. The fact that he doesn't leave his hotel room is worrying; maybe it's the only way for him right now to cope with this tour (and the one with AC/DC) without fucking up. But it combined with how he acts on stage is what strikes me the most. Yes, Axl used to be goofy on stage in the past like @Whiskey Rose said, but being happy-go-lucky all the time, without even a little sign of him being nervous/irritated/annoyed about something, is not natural and "normal" for him. I don't think that maturity or him "behaving" due to contract terms are good enough explanations for this. I agree with @MillionsOfSpiders that personality traits don't disappear just like that.

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About the Beta-mom thing: It's certainly weird; but in regards to the small age difference, I think that maybe it has partly to do with that his mother was very young (both his parents were - his stepdad, as we found out in this thread, was even younger) and it's possible that she looked even younger than her age, so it's not abnormal to him to see a woman a little older than him as his "mom". Another thing that maybe adds to this theory is that, aside from Erin who was close to his age (and who Axl often referred to as a "friend-lover"), most of the women Axl dated/went with before her (I've read stories about 15-year-olds) and after her were considerably younger than him; maybe he sees women that are a bit older than him as women who could be his "moms".

I tend to agree. But then again he also did show a bit of that good old Axl temper when @Lumikki met him. Or when Steven appeared in Buenos Aires earlier than he was supposed to. So it doesn't seem to have disappeared completely.

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Right, the step dad who's only 14 years older than him. And the 16 years older mom. I remember that discussion.

I guess it's possible having parents who could have been his siblings might have left a lasting impression on Axl.

But I still don't know what you mean by the whole dating younger women thing lol. Stories about 15 year olds?? I don't remember ever reading any of these. Or if I did, I've forgotten about it.

 

 

 

Edited March 23, 2017 by Frey