GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

[stella]

12 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Omg... I can't...  I just can't... I can't be that person who makes fun of Axl and his Native American fancies again 

To be fair that's something that a lot of people with New Age-y views tend to fall into, unfortunately. A lot of New Age gurus style themselves as "shamans" and appropriate a lot from both Buddhism and Native American spiritual traditions...

[Whiskey Rose]

7 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

On a different note, I watched some of those Maynard videos on YouTube 

There are yoda videos?? Do you have a link, I'd like to see some of those..

[killuridols]

12 hours ago, Frey said:

Isn't that just a rumor though? I tried looking this up once and found no real concrete evidence of it. I even listened to the dumb song I think and you can't really hear anything worth mentioning iirc. But if it's true, then yeah, seriously fucked up and shows what a douche Niven is.

TBH, I don't hear the stuff either but there is one thing I know of and that is the recording does exist. Maybe we would need one of those people who work with audio and can separate the channels/layers to find it, because sometimes those things are hidden very deep and you can't listen to them on the surface.

I don't have the knowledge to do that but if I could, I would...

10 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I noticed the bracelet too and that was my immediate thought as well, some kind of magic crystal thing going on. 

In the town where I live now there used to be a little shop that sold this kind of thing, they used to do reading tarot cards and tea leaves in it  They sold all these magic crystals and such and they had those type of bracelets, the lady in there would go on about how green was healing, all the green stones were for healing. The shop was in a place where the water is famed in history for its curing qualities (I kid you not, this water is famous in England ) 

Could be a healing bracelet for some kind of illness 

The rock is intriguing, I would like to have a better picture of it... The bracelet part looks like silver. It's beautiful, I want it!

I think Yoda and the husband gave him crystals and other pieces of decoration or I don't know how to call them, with special powers or whatever, lol....

The bracelet could be for anything: energizing, putting away bad spirits, good luck, strenght, healing powers, good vibes.... That one looks mainly aquamarine but I can notice other colors too. Aquamarine is for keeping negative energy away and giving balance to body and mind.

It could come from Yoda but also from China or even Southamerica. It looks expensive, so I don't think he bought it in a little shop

More pics of the bracelet:

 

9 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

When was thia? 

 

7 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Which show is Axl's hoody-hat combo from?

It's either Osaka or Tokyo, 2009

9 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

This is why Axl needs His Ex Boyfriend 

He needs Izzy instead of Amiri

Amiri didn't make those awful clothes from 2001!

 

 

Edited April 26, 2017 by killuridols

[Frey]

11 hours ago, Whiskey Rose said:

There are yoda videos?? Do you have a link, I'd like to see some of those..

Don't know how much stuff is out there, but I made a thread in D&N about a video featuring Yoda's husband once.

Because the guy even mentions Axl in this one and says he's one who gave him the crystal ball thingie that made Axl lose his shit during the 1998 air port incident. Apparently Axl keeps/kept that thing next to his bed.

I also remember seeing a video of Suzy London (Don't Cry video "therapist") on Youtube. She's a complete fraud as well. They're all such obvious fakes and charlatans, it's ridiculous.

 

Edited April 26, 2017 by Frey

[Axl`s BFF]

does everyone remember the grand theft auto game he did such a surprise at the time I had no interest in playing the game just parked the car and listened to him  I love these odd things that popped up in the wilderness years

[SerenityScorp]

9 hours ago, killuridols said:

TBH, I don't hear the stuff either but there is one thing I know of and that is the recording does exist. Maybe we would need one of those people who work with audio and can separate the channels/layers to find it, because sometimes those things are hidden very deep and you can't listen to them on the surface.

I don't have the knowledge to do that but if I could, I would...

The rock is intriguing, I would like to have a better picture of it... The bracelet part looks like silver. It's beautiful, I want it!

I think Yoda and the husband gave him crystals and other pieces of decoration or I don't know how to call them, with special powers or whatever, lol....

The bracelet could be for anything: energizing, putting away bad spirits, good luck, strenght, healing powers, good vibes.... That one looks mainly aquamarine but I can notice other colors too. Aquamarine is for keeping negative energy away and giving balance to body and mind.

It could come from Yoda but also from China or even Southamerica. It looks expensive, so I don't think he bought it in a little shop

More pics of the bracelet:

 

 

It's either Osaka or Tokyo, 2009

Amiri didn't make those awful clothes from 2001!

 

 

What I mean is Axl keep wear ugly clothes, Axl didnt have fashion sense, back then Izzy is the one who choose!/lend His clothes, After Izzy left seems Axl aways wear ugly clothes,these days He still wear clothes tht We think its ugly N' Amiri didnt help at all, so maybe Izzy can be His stylist or something  Izzy can pick good clothes tht isnt expensive, He can join as rythm guitarist again N' Axl stylist more loot 

Edited April 26, 2017 by SerenityScorp

[Whiskey Rose]

6 hours ago, Frey said:

Don't know how much stuff is out there, but I made a thread in D&N about a video featuring Yoda's husband once.

Because the guy even mentions Axl in this one and says he's one who gave him the crystal ball thingie that made Axl lose his shit during the 1998 air port incident. Apparently Axl keeps/kept that thing next to his bed.

I also remember seeing a video of Suzy London (Don't Cry video "therapist") on Youtube. She's a complete fraud as well. They're all such obvious fakes and charlatans, it's ridiculous.

 

Thank you. I want to delve into how "charlatan-y" they were.. because i do believe certain (what some would consider "New Age-y")  holistic therapies do have a lot of merit, such as reiki and reflexology. I like the fact that Axl was searching, and looking for ways to heal, but perhaps he relied on it too much though..as with everything, there must be a balance. 

[killuridols]

32 minutes ago, Whiskey Rose said:

Thank you. I want to delve into how "charlatan-y" they were.. because i do believe certain (what some would consider "New Age-y")  holistic therapies do have a lot of merit, such as reiki and reflexology. I like the fact that Axl was searching, and looking for ways to heal, but perhaps he relied on it too much though..as with everything, there must be a balance. 

From the little I read about their "Institute", they do not mention any of these things. I couldn't find a lot of information about these people and what I found, it is a drag to read but my first impression is that most of it is pseudo-science.

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Arcos Cielos Corporation was created for the development of New Paradigms in Science, Education, Fine Arts, Global Ecology, Human Potential Development, and Future-Science Technology. This non-profit 501 (c)(3) Research Center is situated in Sedona, Arizona…an area noted for its unique combination of spectacular natural beauty, sunny climate, and peaceful solitude.

The Founders, Elliott and Sharon Maynard, together constitute a unique resource of Creative, Scientific and Technical Expertise. Elliott’s cultural and educational background spans a broad spectrum of professional skills and experience. His educational credentials include: a Bachelor of Arts from Washington and Lee University, a Masters of Science in Zoology from the University of Miami Florida, and Advanced Graduate Studies at the University of Miami Marine Institute, Nova Oceanographic Center, and the University of Costa Rica. He earned a Ph.D. Degree in Marine Sciences and Consciousness Research from the University of the Trees in Boulder Creek, California, and served on the faculties of Adelphi University and Dowling College in New York.

Elliott’s scientific background includes extensive field research on Tropical Marine Ecosystems, and Behavior of Coral Reef Fishes and Invertebrates. He studied Tropical Biology and Rainforest Ecology at the Organization for Tropical Studies in Costa Rica with renowned global forestry expert, Dr. Leslie Holdridge, and subsequently went on to pioneer the field of Giant Freshwater Shrimp Aquaculture in Florida and Puerto Rico. In 1980-81 Elliott worked as a Research Scientist at the Kuwait Institute for Scientific Research, where he played a key role in Project Management, and the Development of Advanced Aquaculture Systems, working with 1200 scientists and technical specialists from around the world.

Sharon Tanemura Maynard, born in Western Canada, brought a unique international flavor to Arcos Cielos and its innovative programs. Through her Japanese cultural background, she was skilled at bridging Eastern and Western Viewpoints, and integrating them into programs for new ways of thinking and effective action. Her educational background includes an ARCT Degree from Toronto’s Royal Conservatory of Music. and studies in Communications at Simon Frasier University in Vancouver. She also earned a Bachelor of Arts in Communications from the University the Trees Consciousness Research Institute. Her unique gifts in the areas of Financial and Creative Structuring were passed on to her from her grandfather, who was a Buddhist Priest. Sharon’s special abilities were a key factor in many of the breakthroughs incorporated into the Transformative Programs developed at Arcos Cielos Research Center.

In 1989, following a decade of pioneering work of Giant Freshwater Shrimp Aquaculture in Florida and Puerto Rico, the Maynards turned their attention to Native American Education. Working as Education Specialists for the Hopi Tribe of Arizona, their efforts resulted in a comprehensive set of Goals and Standards for the new $22 million Hopi Jr./Sr. High School, as well as a unique Hopi Cultural Curriculum, which integrated Hopi and Conventional Western Worldviews into their existing educational system. During this time-period Elliott began developing a futuristic Educational System called The University of the Future Project®. Other subsequent Projects included integration of Alternative Medical Systems with Conventional Medicine.

Besides being an expert Scuba Diver, Underwater Photographer and Videographer, Elliott has applied his past experience to update his earlier field research in the Marine Environment. During the past few years he and Sharon have made numerous research trips to Tropical Islands and Remote Atolls, to study and document the changes and current “health” of Earth’s Coral Reef Ecosystems and their responses to the Pressures of Human Activities and Shifts in Global Climate Patterns.

The Maynards continued their efforts to develop several unique, co-evolutionary Paradigms for the Third Millennium, designed to advance the Human Social Consciousness, and to provide new, effective Strategies for Transformative Thought and Action. They worked for over two decades to develop a Master Paradigm called Future-Science Technology®. This Master Paradigm effectively magnifies existing human capabilities and integrates them into a Practical Method for Quantum Success and Breakthrough Achievement. Future-Science Technology essentially re-connects Humans with their Natural Planetary Heritage and instills a renewed focus for achieving a sustainable balance with the Global Biosphere.

The Arcos Cielos Global Ecology Project® is a New Paradigm for the protection, restoration, and rejuvenation of Earth’s Ecosystems. This new Paradigm integrates Environmental Education, Ecologically Appropriate Technologies, and Sustainable Lifestyles by applying innovative applications of New Technologies and Alternative Sciences. Other Projects include: Future-Science Art,® the Creation of “Living ArtForms” for the Third Millennium; and Paraphysical Fitness®, a Wholistic Fitness Program, which focuses on the development of the Physical and Subtle-Energy Bodies.

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This inflated CV of bullshit is interesting, though... I mean, interesting to dissect it and try to find out more about their "achievements" in research.

The first thing that calls my attention is how pretentious this shit is and how little information there is on their "research center", which claims to be non-profit but I start to wonder how do you maintain a research center that is aming to develop new paradigms in Science, Education, Fine Arts, Global Ecology..... They are all so many different fields and for that you would need several different teams of researchers working on projects, so how do you pay those people?? And mostly, what would be this research for?

Scientific research is not done for nothing. In general, it is connected to the public politics or with the State, but I can't find any connection between what this people do and the American state. So do they investigate these things just for the sake of it?? Who pays those investigations??

They mention only one thing they did, some educational project for the Hopi Tribe of Arizona..... I don't know if that's real or not and which are the results of it.

The universities where they've got their degrees do not sound familiar to me and all those degrees also sound like bullshit.

I have also dedicated 5 minutes to skip through this BS powerpoint by Elliot and lol, it's 79 pages of blah blah. Not one single point made. Only bullets with inflated crap, as it is his style.

http://www.slideboom.com/presentations/29549/12-Future-Strategies-for-Transforming-the-Global-Biosphere

 

[Whiskey Rose]

That's great @killuridols thank you. I had a little bit of time to do a lookey-loo as well, and you're right...a whole lot of words without a whole lot of substance. What are their theories of this Future-Science technology and how are they applied? What are the basic tenets? It could be interesting, could be a new way of looking at the world and your place in it, but couldn't find any real details. So was Axl following this i wonder, or mostly relying on Sharon's proclaimed psychic abilities? And the University of Trees (ha!) is not accredited, so Elliot putting PH.D on his books is a bit of a misnomer imo. So that pretty much tells me all i need to know. 

 

 

 

[MillionsOfSpiders]

They just seem to add 'ologist' or 'ology' onto the end of every word. 

PhD in consciousness Human from the future  futurist educator  

All that stuff about quantums and space too ?

I read when Yoda died Elliot replaced her with a look a like to keep the gullible putting money in his pocket. 

[killuridols]

3 minutes ago, Whiskey Rose said:

That's great @killuridols thank you. I had a little bit of time to do a lookey-loo as well, and you're right...a whole lot of words without a whole lot of substance. What are their theories of this Future-Science technology and how are they applied? What are the basic tenets? It could be interesting, could be a new way of looking at the world and your place in it, but couldn't find any real details. So was Axl following this i wonder, or mostly relying on Sharon's proclaimed psychic abilities? And the University of Trees (ha!) is not accredited, so Elliot putting PH.D on his books is a bit of a misnomer imo. So that pretty much tells me all i need to know.

That's what I want to know.... I couldn't find one single paper where the theory is developed and how it would be applied and where? lol

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U.of F. Basic Objectives Acquisition of Wisdom through Mentoring Development of Mental, Emotional & Spiritual Maturity Development of the “Core Self” Practice of Compassion for All Life Development of Natural Intuitive Abilities Individual & Group Participation as Agents for “Conscious Evolution”

Bunch of crap that doesn't explain how he's gonna do all of that

Most of what he's written is a poor attempt for state of the art, no references to the current paradigms, researches and authors. In one of his blog entries, Elliot writes lenghty about nothing and cites only two authors , one of them is Alvin Toffler.

None of this information matches what we know Axl was doing with Yoda, so I don't know if this is a smokescreen or what...

 

12 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

They just seem to add 'ologist' or 'ology' onto the end of every word. 

PhD in consciousness Human from the future  futurist educator  

All that stuff about quantums and space too ?

I read when Yoda died Elliot replaced her with a look a like to keep the gullible putting money in his pocket. 

Yeah, it looks like a keyword generator.

 

[MillionsOfSpiders]

It reminds me of how Axl writes his letters. The same rambling nonsense with hardly any point at all. 

[Alja]

@killuridolsThank you for your bravery and time to pas through that pile of... Ehm, even the summary is extraordinary colorful, it`s read as one red flag by another. Although I thought that after the world did not end in 2012 this esoteric bubble collapsed... 

 

[killuridols]

7 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

It reminds me of how Axl writes his letters. The same rambling nonsense with hardly any point at all. 

Must be the results of the Educational Methods the Arcos Cielos Inc. inflicted on him.

5 minutes ago, Alja said:

@killuridolsThank you for your bravery and time to pas through that pile of... Ehm, even the summary is extraordinary colorful, it`s read as one red flag by another. Although I thought that after the world did not end in 2012 this esoteric bubble collapsed...

lol

Here's more for your reading pleasure..

https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=AXkjj2lvlu0C&lpg=PA2&ots=0CA4xXC4gS&dq=sharon maynard arcos cielos&pg=PA2#v=onepage&q=sharon maynard arcos cielos&f=false

 

[Alja]

6 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Here's more for your reading pleasure..

https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=AXkjj2lvlu0C&lpg=PA2&ots=0CA4xXC4gS&dq=sharon maynard arcos cielos&pg=PA2#v=onepage&q=sharon maynard arcos cielos&f=false

 

I was still hoping that you don`t hate me THAT much. 

[Frey]

3 hours ago, killuridols said:

Sharon Tanemura Maynard, born in Western Canada, brought a unique international flavor to Arcos Cielos and its innovative programs. Through her Japanese cultural background, she was skilled at bridging Eastern and Western Viewpoints, and integrating them into programs for new ways of thinking and effective action. Her educational background includes an ARCT Degree from Toronto’s Royal Conservatory of Music. and studies in Communications at Simon Frasier University in Vancouver. She also earned a Bachelor of Arts in Communications from the University the Trees Consciousness Research Institute. Her unique gifts in the areas of Financial and Creative Structuring were passed on to her from her grandfather, who was a Buddhist Priest. Sharon’s special abilities were a key factor in many of the breakthroughs incorporated into the Transformative Programs developed at Arcos Cielos Research Center.

Ahahaha Magic Tree University strikes again!

What a bunch of bullshit. Nothing but made-up crap wrapped in fancy language to impress the dumb and gullible.

 

40 minutes ago, killuridols said:

That's what I want to know.... I couldn't find one single paper where the theory is developed and how it would be applied and where? lol

Bunch of crap that doesn't explain how he's gonna do all of that

Most of what he's written is a poor attempt for state of the art, no references to the current paradigms, researches and authors. In one of his blog entries, Elliot writes lenghty about nothing and cites only two authors , one of them is Alvin Toffler.

None of this information matches what we know Axl was doing with Yoda, so I don't know if this is a smokescreen or what...

Been wondering about this too. The only connection between this rambling mess and Axl is the mention of "Living Art" sculptures (or something like that) because the airport incident crystal ball sculpture was one of these living art sculptures he makes.

 

19 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

It reminds me of how Axl writes his letters. The same rambling nonsense with hardly any point at all. 

10 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Must be the results of the Educational Methods the Arcos Cielos Inc. inflicted on him.

I just bet it is. Axl used to write pretty normal letters back in the 80s and 90s. A bit random, kinda funny, sometimes surprisingly sweet and emotional, but all in all pretty normal.

A lot of his more recent writing is just like the Arcos Cielos crap: Full of unnecessarily complex sentences and big words, like someone trying too hard to appear intelligent.

The first example of this was his explanation of Oh My God and then the trend continued from there.

 

 

 

 

[killuridols]

42 minutes ago, Frey said:

Been wondering about this too. The only connection between this rambling mess and Axl is the mention of "Living Art" sculptures (or something like that) because the airport incident crystal ball sculpture was one of these living art sculptures he makes.

The sculptures are actually not that bad, looool but none looks like a plain crystal ball.

Here are more pictures of them http://www.arcoscielos.com/future-science-artwork.html

44 minutes ago, Frey said:

A lot of his more recent writing is just like the Arcos Cielos crap: Full of unnecessarily complex sentences and big words, like someone trying too hard to appear intelligent.

The first example of this was his explanation of Oh My God and then the trend continued from there.

Yes, that's how those pretentious people are. They need to cover their lack of substance with layers of BS.

All this shit and the "new paradigm for education" made me compared what Maynard writes with the simplicity and greatness of brazilian educator Paulo Freire. His book "Education as practice for freedom" is written in such a clear way that you can read it in a day or two and understand his theory inmediately.

While I was reading this BS I had to skip 10 paragraphs so to find one thing that kinda makes sense but one line later it goes back to the rambling nonsense.

Also the capitalization of terms is ridiculous. He Writes Like The Gothic Kids Used To Do It In The BegIninG oF The 2000's

It'd be nice to recall Axl's explanation of OH MY GOD and "translate" it to non-pretentious language

 

[BorderlineCrazy]

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

Yes, that's how those pretentious people are. They need to cover their lack of substance with layers of BS.

That's a very mean thing to say about Axl and CD  Sorry, I can't read the word layers and not think about CD

Seriously, I can't believe Axl would consider Slash a liar and at the same time believe in these people, it's hilarious! 

Edited April 26, 2017 by BorderlineCrazy

[Frey]

2 hours ago, killuridols said:

The sculptures are actually not that bad, looool but none looks like a plain crystal ball.

Here are more pictures of them http://www.arcoscielos.com/future-science-artwork.html

Yes, that's how those pretentious people are. They need to cover their lack of substance with layers of BS.

All this shit and the "new paradigm for education" made me compared what Maynard writes with the simplicity and greatness of brazilian educator Paulo Freire. His book "Education as practice for freedom" is written in such a clear way that you can read it in a day or two and understand his theory inmediately.

While I was reading this BS I had to skip 10 paragraphs so to find one thing that kinda makes sense but one line later it goes back to the rambling nonsense.

Also the capitalization of terms is ridiculous. He Writes Like The Gothic Kids Used To Do It In The BegIninG oF The 2000's

It'd be nice to recall Axl's explanation of OH MY GOD and "translate" it to non-pretentious language

 

I think they're fucking ugly and the shit he claims about them is ridiculous

Bolded: Okay, let me try....

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"The chorus deals with the societal repression of deep and often agonizing emotions -- some of which may be willingly accepted for one reason or another -- the appropriate expression of which (one that promotes a healing, release and a positive resolve) is often discouraged and many times denied. Emotionally the song contemplates several abstract perspectives drawing from personal expression as well as from the film and its metaphors. The appropriate expression and vehicle for such emotions and concepts is not something taken for granted.

The fight of good vs. evil, positive vs. negative, man against a seemingly undefeatable, undeterrable, unrevealed destiny, along with the personal and universal struggle to attain, maintain and responsibly manage freewill can be and often is frustrating to say the least. In America our country's constitutional right to freedom of expression gives us a better chance to fight for that expression than many in other countries enjoy. It can be a big gig, like kickin' the crap outta the devil!"

"The chorus is about deep and agonizing emotions, which (for one reason or another) are not socially acceptable to express, even though expressing these emotions in appropriate ways could help a person heal or find release. Emotionally speaking, the song both draws from personal experience as well as as the film and its metaphors. Being allowed to express the emotions I just mentioned is not something I take for granted. (??)

Good vs. evil blahblahblah, I struggle with responsibly managing my own free will, blahblahblah......" I can't continue this I tried and it's still not much better

 

Maybe the simplest thing would have been to say:

"It's a song about child abuse and people prefering to look away instead of listening to the victims, because they don't want to hear about it."

(That was the thread interpretation anyway, iirc)

 

35 minutes ago, BorderlineCrazy said:

That's a very mean thing to say about Axl and CD  Sorry, I can't read the word layers and not think about CD

Seriously, I can't believe Axl would consider Slash a liar and at the same time believe in these people, it's hilarious! 

Well, Slash is a liar, but Axl was just too dumb and gullible to realize that these people were much bigger liars and frauds than Slash could ever be...

 

 

 

 

Edited April 26, 2017 by Frey

[money honey]

 

On 4/23/2017 at 10:01 PM, MillionsOfSpiders said:

 

@money honey

Typical Irish, getting the party going a MONTH before it really starts haha you guys are unreal!! 

LOLOL! Where did you find that picture?!

[stella]

9 hours ago, Whiskey Rose said:

Thank you. I want to delve into how "charlatan-y" they were.. because i do believe certain (what some would consider "New Age-y")  holistic therapies do have a lot of merit, such as reiki and reflexology. I like the fact that Axl was searching, and looking for ways to heal, but perhaps he relied on it too much though..as with everything, there must be a balance. 

Totally, it's all about balance. IMHO New Age and alternative medicine are just like any other faith systems or medical care: there are good people and practices in it who really help others, and there are also predators who prey on people's emotions, vulnerabilities and longing for answers and a sense of community. That exploitation could be coming from a Christian televangelist or a New Age "shaman" and it's the same thing.

The one belief that Axl seemed to have that IMHO WAS harmful was that in the UYI era he seemed to have picked up some sort of Louise Hay-style notions about illness. For those who don't know, LH basically believes that any illness someone has is due to their own negative beliefs and what they're pulling to themselves, whether they have cancer or a cold. LH even said at one point that Holocaust victims were victims because of their own choices.

IMHO that's an incredibly harmful and dangerous belief system - it basically takes the tack that people can wish themselves well even if they have stage 4 cancer, and if they're sick it's their own fault. Hello, learn some fucking science and biochemistry, people...

And in some of the 1991-era interviews, Axl's talking about how all his infections have been due to emotional trauma, and that's classic LH:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=9

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"It's mostly respiratory stuff," he continues. "Air conditioners in hotels circulate the same air, and on the plane everyone's breathing the same air. So if anyone's got anything, my tonsils grab it. I'm chronic like that. That's one of the reasons I've never liked touring. My resistance is low in my tonsils. I also found out it is supposedly some kind of mental thing having to do with me punishing myself for expressing myself. For 20 years of my life I was beaten by my parents for expressing myself, so part of me believes I should be punished for that expression. I do this by lowering my own resistance. Turn that around, and there you have it - self punishment. Other than that, I'm pretty healthy."

Edited April 26, 2017 by stella

[triad]

On 4/25/2017 at 9:38 AM, Frey said:

This is what I imagine the "Women's Thread Party" to be like.

All of you are that blond chick, and Axl will look even more terrified than he does here.

 

Ugh, no!!  

We're not all blond.  

[Whiskey Rose]

1 hour ago, stella said:

"It's mostly respiratory stuff," he continues. "Air conditioners in hotels circulate the same air, and on the plane everyone's breathing the same air. So if anyone's got anything, my tonsils grab it. I'm chronic like that. That's one of the reasons I've never liked touring. My resistance is low in my tonsils. I also found out it is supposedly some kind of mental thing having to do with me punishing myself for expressing myself. For 20 years of my life I was beaten by my parents for expressing myself, so part of me believes I should be punished for that expression. I do this by lowering my own resistance. Turn that around, and there you have it - self punishment. Other than that, I'm pretty healthy."

  See, that's what bothers me..there is so much good that can be done with alternative medicine, as long as it is complementary, and not exclusionary, and then you get people who give it a bad name like this person who told him this punishment bullshite, and that Louise person. It is well known that the tonsils are the body's first defense against infection....and a person who still has their tonsils will likely first get tonsillitis before any infection spreads to the chest etc..so if he had had his tonsils removed, and was therefore susceptible to getting chest infections instead, that person would have probably told him "it was a mental thing with me punishing myself for not expressing love properly..my parents didn't give me proper love so I don't believe I deserve it or that anyone around me should have it" blah blah blah.  Someone can easily go down the rabbit hole giving this stuff too much credence.

I hope he has found his balance!

17 minutes ago, triad said:

Ugh, no!!  

We're not all blond.  

Other than that, yep, that picture is pretty much accurate haha!  

[killuridols]

4 hours ago, Frey said:

"The chorus is about deep and agonizing emotions, which (for one reason or another) are not socially acceptable to express, even though expressing these emotions in appropriate ways could help a person heal or find release. Emotionally speaking, the song both draws from personal experience as well as as the film and its metaphors. Being allowed to express the emotions I just mentioned is not something I take for granted. (??)

Good vs. evil blahblahblah, I struggle with responsibly managing my own free will, blahblahblah......" I can't continue this I tried and it's still not much better

 

Maybe the simplest thing would have been to say:

"It's a song about child abuse and people prefering to look away instead of listening to the victims, because they don't want to hear about it."

(That was the thread interpretation anyway, iirc)

Which are the emotions not socially acceptable to express?

I dont understand half of what he wrote there.

[stella]

2 hours ago, Whiskey Rose said:

  See, that's what bothers me..there is so much good that can be done with alternative medicine, as long as it is complementary, and not exclusionary, and then you get people who give it a bad name like this person who told him this punishment bullshite, and that Louise person. It is well known that the tonsils are the body's first defense against infection....and a person who still has their tonsils will likely first get tonsillitis before any infection spreads to the chest etc..so if he had had his tonsils removed, and was therefore susceptible to getting chest infections instead, that person would have probably told him "it was a mental thing with me punishing myself for not expressing love properly..my parents didn't give me proper love so I don't believe I deserve it or that anyone around me should have it" blah blah blah.  Someone can easily go down the rabbit hole giving this stuff too much credence.

I hope he has found his balance!

I definitely do hope he's completely abandoned that LH style philosophy and found a balance with beliefs/practices that can be helpful and not harmful. I feel like something like the punishment/Louise Hay philosophies can endlessly loop someone in, as you said. They're blamed for whatever happens, and they become even more desperate for help and guidance to stop what they think is happening to them. If someone's already had self-destructive behavior and has low self-esteem I think it could be especially dangerous for them.

I agree, alternative medicine and beliefs can really be helpful if they're balanced and are complementing other care. A lot of cancer treatment programs have added things like aromatherapy, massage therapy and meditation as ways to help cancer patients cope with their illnesses. They're doing everything they need to do medically, like chemo or surgery, but they have some options to complement that care. If nothing else, even if it's not going to actually cure cancer, it might help the patient feel better emotionally or have better coping techniques and a better quality of life.