agustingloger Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Blake Sabbath said: Black Sabbath's 13 was a number 1 album don't forget! I wouldn't go lumping the last 2 Acker Dacker LPs into the same category as VH's or Aero's last offerings either. Those 2 band's new album's stand out as massive successes by comparison to VH and Aerosmith's imho Metallica and ACDC are not a nostalgia act ... they are serious bands with professional players. Deal with it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 21 minutes ago, agustingloger said: Metallica and ACDC are not a nostalgia act ... they are serious bands with professional players. Deal with it. Lol ACDC is the definition of a nostalgia band. Same props, same moves, same poses, same lighting, same show. Only tour 1-2 times a decade... Nostalgia isnt a bad thing though imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmore Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said: Lol ACDC is the definition of a nostalgia band. As long as they're putting out new records, I wouldn't put them into this category. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agustingloger Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 16 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said: Lol ACDC is the definition of a nostalgia band. Same props, same moves, same poses, same lighting, same show. Only tour 1-2 times a decade... Nostalgia isnt a bad thing though imo a band who releases albums everytime and tour playing songs of the new album is not a nostalgia act .. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zajk Posted February 23, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2017 This thread makes me pretty sad.. Who is right and who is wrong? Or maybe no one is either right or wrong... As a fan who has seen the NITL shows twice in the last few weeks, I feel grateful.. Ecstatic even.. those two nights I feel I've caught a little of the magic.. those two nights may be the highlights of the year for me.. But as a fan I also feel we may have missed a chance to catch a whole lot of the magic that might be, had Izzy and Steven been invited along.. And don't mistake me, in no way do I think this is anything to do with how I feel.. Guns are not even my favourite band, but their music is a part of my life.. I adore the original 5, and gradually I am coming to admire those that have come after.. But for me it's all about the music.. So Axl may not sound quite the same, but fuck, Axl still sounds good to me... Slash is still a super hero, and Duff is inspirational.. No one swings like Steven did and I think still could and would.. And Izzy fuck they need you man.. Maybe I'm just getting old, but the world needs the chemistry of the original five.. Even if for just one more time.. Or.. Then again maybe I'm just too sentimental.. This current thing is pretty great.. Chi Dem songs especially.. And as as a fan I am glad we got what have right now, in '16/17, cause omg everyone needs some highs in thier otherwise exhausting lives. Anyway, enough from me. Long live guns and roses! Be good to each other :-) 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6lake sa66ath Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 hour ago, agustingloger said: Metallica and ACDC are not a nostalgia act ... they are serious bands with professional players. Deal with it. Deal with what?! Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 23 minutes ago, agustingloger said: a band who releases albums everytime and tour playing songs of the new album is not a nostalgia act .. Theyve released 2 albums in the past decade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agustingloger Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said: Theyve released 2 albums in the past decade exactly. That's good ... how much do you want to release in ten years? Maybe 3 but 2 is Ok .. on the otherside you have Axl since 94 till now only released one... and keep touring playing songs of 30 years ago .. that's a nostalgia act, not acdc. 9 minutes ago, Blake Sabbath said: Deal with what?! Huh? Many people here critizes metallica or acdc all the time .. yeah my favourite band is gnr but those are much more professional, consistent and shit they release music man .. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsinindy Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 9 hours ago, ZoSoRose said: Sadly, they CAN tour on nostalgia alone for the rest of forever. Look at The Rolling Stones, U2, Aerosmith, ACDC, The Who, Metallica, Van Halen, KISS, etc. Do you think any of those big, stadium/arena bands are selling because of new material? Hell no. All of those artists barely release music and when they do, it is seen as simply a little bonus for die hards. They'll have a lead single played on the radio for a month or two and that's it. No one really cares. GNR (with Axl and Slash) moves them away from at least KISS territory, and into at least permanent Aerosmith and ACDC territory. If they tour after NITL they are guaranteed at least arenas until they retire or die, and if they wait another 5 years, they could probably sell stadiums (with less dates, cheaper tickets, and maybe another big band). They are officially in legacy, nostalgia mode. Nothing more. Yes Alex, this is correct. But I believe the argument was they could keep on selling out stadiums in this configuration forever. My point was they really haven't sold out stadiums now (in the US other than the largest markets) and they eventually would go to arenas, then theaters then be done, bc this is clearly a money grab, so once the money dries up they are done. additiknally every single one of those bands you cite are putting new records to tour and most of them have failed at having a successful tour after their first go around other than the Stones and the Who, both of whom are on the Mt Rushmore of rock. U2 isn't a fair comparison either bc they have been consistently putting out successful records and are the original members. a lot of your comparisons are apples to oranges. Every scenario and situation is different for one reason or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsinindy Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, agustingloger said: exactly. That's good ... how much do you want to release in ten years? Maybe 3 but 2 is Ok .. on the otherside you have Axl since 94 till now only released one... and keep touring playing songs of 30 years ago .. that's a nostalgia act, not acdc. Many people here critizes metallica or acdc all the time .. yeah my favourite band is gnr but those are much more professional, consistent and shit they release music man .. As someone ego consistently bashes those two bands, you have a fair point. In all fairness though, the sands of time haven't run out on GnR releasing new material yet before bashing them for lack of it in my opinion. On the other hand...for both of these bands their material now is garbage, so it's also fairly irrelevant. Edited February 23, 2017 by tsinindy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agustingloger Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Just now, tsinindy said: As someone ego consistently bashes those two bands you have a fair point. In all fairness though, the sands of time haven't run out on GnR releasing new material yet before bashing them for lack of it in my opinion. Because their songs are too good .. and even if they add more deep cuts even spaghetti incident songs they could keep touring forever without releasing anything new.. but this is not the case, they are playing the same songs always and after they finish this tour then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsinindy Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 minute ago, agustingloger said: Because their songs are too good .. and even if they add more deep cuts even spaghetti incident songs they could keep touring forever without releasing anything new.. but this is not the case, they are playing the same songs always and after they finish this tour then what? What is your question? I don't understand. My point is I don't think it's fair to bash GnR for not releasing new material yet when they have been reformed for less than a year. It seems you are claiming GnR is a nostalgia act bc they have no new material and these other bands aren't bc they do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agustingloger Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Sorry I did misunderstand you .. I tought you mean that they songs are still good and they could keep playing without releasing something new.. and maybe i was agree with that .. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6lake sa66ath Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 33 minutes ago, agustingloger said: Many people here critizes metallica or acdc all the time .. yeah my favourite band is gnr but those are much more professional, consistent and shit they release music man .. Yeah and I'm still confused as to why you quoted what I said and told me to "deal with it"?! im from Australia mate, we don't fuckin' criticise our own i.e. Acker Dacker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooker Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Carne_asaDA said: Grain of salt, anyone? Yeah, we are just seeing one side of the story. Steven isn't a fully reliable person. I have no doubts the big 3 did this for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMAC20 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I hate to say this I love Steven but as long as AXL-SLASH- DUFF are on the same stage I really don't care who the drummer is - the other guitar player is either - I have seen all the members in their Prime and last year as well in Nashville besides IZZY - AS long as SLASH DUFF and AXL are making music I am very Happy as a lifetime fan - SLASH is the reason I became a fan and he always brings it every night just like always - Welcome to the Slash SHOW and I have always loved it and always will love it !!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agustingloger Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, Blake Sabbath said: Yeah and I'm still confused as to why you quoted what I said and told me to "deal with it"?! im from Australia mate, we don't fuckin' criticise our own i.e. Acker Dacker I was not talking to YOU exactly. My point was that most people here makes fun of Metallica or shit like that but the fact is they are a consistant band .. In terms of professionalism, releasing music, rotating songs.. Metallica>GN'R.. some people have to accept that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slosh13 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Słash said: Steven is not the problem, its how the mind of some people work, the big 3 are too much of themselves, they think they are above anyone else. Its their nature. Duff is a diplomatic person, Slash and Axl think how they can earn more money. Take an example of Dizzy Reed, yeah he is a complete tool, but poor guy totally gets ignored by everyone and this blue haired chick is so friendly with Slash, Duff and Axl. Steven is a far away thing, When Slash and Duff could backstab their friend Matt, they played with him for so many years in big bands did so many shows together. Duff was best friends with Izzy, but see what happened now? How can you substantiate any of that? How do you know Slash only wants to make money? You are talking about their relationships which most of us are not privy to. Edited February 23, 2017 by Slosh13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 hour ago, ZoSoRose said: Lol ACDC is the definition of a nostalgia band. Same props, same moves, same poses, same lighting, same show. Only tour 1-2 times a decade... I don't agree. Most of if not all of their tours are in support of new music. They have released music all the way up to their last tour and always play a handful of new songs at their shows. They may have played less when Axl joined but their last two albums got a decent amount of radio time around my area. Just because they stick to their Guns and play stripped down Rock N' Roll doesn't make them nostalgia.. This is also a band that has refused up to this point to release a greatest hits record as well. My two cents on AC/DC 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOS--LOA Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Did that dude who wrote Steven's book ever end up getting paid? After reading about that debacle a few years ago I take anything Steven says with a huge grain of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooker Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, TOS--LOA said: Did that dude who wrote Steven's book ever end up getting paid? After reading about that debacle a few years ago I take anything Steven says with a huge grain of salt. This is why I don't trust any of the people involved in this whole debacle. Even Duff looks shady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacdaniel Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I really don't think that this is a reunion in Axl's eyes, and thats the problem people are having with it. Axl has very little interest in an AFD 5 reunion. This is still his band as far as he is concerned. Read between the lines. 1) Slash and Duff play CD songs 2) Slash and Duff can't do interviews / press 3) 2 keyboard players and pyro (something Slash + Duff wouldn't care too much for) In return, Axl has agreed to be on time and play some songs like Coma / DTJ. In Axl's eyes, Guns had some open slots with Bumble, Tommy and DJ leaving. There was an opportunity for Slash and Duff to rejoin. Even if Steven and Izzy were involved, it would be in addition to Richard, Frank, Melissa and Dizzy. People wanted a sentimental AFD 5 reunion, but that was never on the cards. I am happy with the reunion because this is what I expected and this is exactly what they announced 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, jacdaniel said: I really don't think that this is a reunion in Axl's eyes, and thats the problem people are having with it. He said it was 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 11 hours ago, ZoSoRose said: Sadly, they CAN tour on nostalgia alone for the rest of forever. Look at The Rolling Stones, U2, Aerosmith, ACDC, The Who, Metallica, Van Halen, KISS, etc. Do you think any of those big, stadium/arena bands are selling because of new material? Hell no. All of those artists barely release music and when they do, it is seen as simply a little bonus for die hards. They'll have a lead single played on the radio for a month or two and that's it. No one really cares. No, you don't care, but you're not everyone, you do realize that, don't you? Also, U2 has been releasing albums consistently since 1980, so get your facts straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Money Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Any links to this interview yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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