Popular Post RONIN Posted March 9, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2017 By Brian Ives On Saturday (September 17), Guns N Roses’ dual 1991 albums Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion II turn 25. The anniversary comes just as GNR has wrapped up a hugely successful reunion tour that saw founding members Slash and Duff McKagan back in the fold. It marked the first time that Axl Rose, Slash and Duff performed together since 1993. Absent from the reunion, however, was founding guitarist Izzy Stradlin’, who quit the band in 1991. This summer’s Guns N Roses reunion could have included the entire original lineup: singer Axl Rose, bassist Duff McKagan, drummer Steven Adler and guitarists Slash and Izzy Stradlin’. Adler joined the band for a few songs at a couple of shows, but Stradlin’, who has filled in with various versions of the band over the years, was a no-show. In a recent interview, Rose said Adler couldn’t do the tour due to a recent back surgery. Stradlin’, however, flaked out, according to the frontman. “I don’t even know what to say,” Rose said. “We make arrangements, and then he goes and does other things. With Izzy, you never know what to expect.” Which seemed like a plausible explanation, as the guitarist has a history of not wanting to tour. But Stradlin’ weighed in on the interview pretty quickly. “Bulls—,” he tweeted. “They didn’t want to split the loot equally. Simple as that.” After listening to the Use Your Illusion albums and reading the liner notes, one could make a good argument that Stradlin’ is worth his equal share. Prior to those albums, the band split songwriting credits evenly. On the band’s debut, 1987’s classic Appetite for Destruction, Rose, Slash, Stradlin’, McKagan and Alder were all co-writers. This started to change with ’88’s G N’R Lies. Of the older tracks, we learned that the nasty, dirty “Move to the City” was co-written by Izzy with Chris Weber (from pre-GNR band Hollywood Rose). Of the new songs, three were co-written by the entire band. The massive hit “Patience,” however, was a Rose/Stradlin’ co-write. If you made a playlist of songs from the Illusion albums and included only songs that Stradlin’ wrote, co-wrote or sang on, you’d have a pretty classic album. Let’s go through the songs. “Right Next Door to Hell” led off I (which boasted more of Stradlin’s influence than II). A co-written track with Rose and Hanoi Rocks associate Timo Kaltio, the song had all the punk rock spit and bile of Appetite and showed none of the Queen-like aspirations that would surface later on the Illusions. It did, however, give a hint of Rose’s paranoia: the lyrics were allegedly inspired by a conflict Rose had with a former neighbor. From there, we move to track two, one of the band’s Stonesy-est moments, “Dust N’ Bones,” which sees Stradlin’s debut as lead vocalist; he co-wrote the song with Slash and McKagan; Rose simply plays piano and sings backing vocals. It’s a look into what Velvet Revolver may have sounded like if Stradlin’ stuck around and they never approached Scott Weiland. A Stradlin’-led band with Slash, McKagan and drummer Matt Sorum may have lacked some panache without a frontman, but they would surely have been one of the most a–kickin’ bands of the past two decades. At any rate, “Dust N Bones” is one of the greatest, and most underrated, songs in GNR’s cannon. After the McCartney cover “Live and Let Die,” it’s the album’s first single, the ballad “Don’t Cry,” another Rose-Stradlin’ co-write. These guys clearly had a rapport, particularly with ballads. It’s too bad they don’t write together anymore. Track five is “Perfect Crime,” an Axl/Slash/Izzy co-write which is quintessentially Stradlin’, combining Stones swagger with Ramones/Clash/Sex Pistols attitude. Next, a song written solely by Stradlin’, who sings lead: the acoustic kiss-off “You Ain’t the First.” It wouldn’t have sounded out of place on The Stones’ Exile on Main Street, or at least as an Exile outtake. “Bad Obsession” is a Stradlin’ co-write with GNR associate West Arkeen and is as close to Aerosmith as Guns ever got without covering them. The song featured Hanoi Rocks frontman Michael Monroe adding some very Tyler-esque harmonica, and also saxophone reminiscent of “Same Old Song and Dance.” It was a great, and very rock and roll, and its use of a sax was no easy task. Guns tried to incorporate horns into their touring band after the Illusions were released; by then, Stradlin’ had quit. The horns (and backing singers) made GNR seem like a Vegas act. Side two of the album featured less of Izzy’s contributions, although a highlight of the Illusions is the Stradlin’ written and sung “Double Talkin’ Jive,” another of the band’s most punk rock moments. And by “punk” we’re talking ’70s and early ’80s punk, not the later hardcore strain. Everything that Stradlin’ did, then and now, has a swing and swagger. Izzy’s final contribution to Use Your Illusion I is “Bad Apples,” a collab with Axl, Slash and Duff. One of the group’s funkiest songs, it also veers closely to Aerosmith territory, so much so that you could actually hear Steven Tyler singing it. It’s proof of what these four guys were capable of when they worked together. Use Your Illusion II was less Izzy-centric, but his contributions were pretty massive. Like I, the second song featured Stradlin’ on lead vocals: this time it was on “14 Years,” a co-write with Rose, who sang backing vocals. Had Izzy stayed with the band, and had the band continued, there would have been a good case for giving him 2-3 songs per album (and his solo career provides a couple of potential Guns gems). “Pretty Tied Up,” another Stradlin’ contribution, was his one dud on the album. And then there was one more Rose/Stradlin’ song: “You Could Be Mine,” a song written in the ’80s that would have fit right in on Appetite for Destruction. Stradlin’ brought a sense of Stonesy/New York Dolls swagger to Guns N Roses; he seemed to care neither for heavy metal, hardcore punk or the near-prog Queen influences that his bandmates had; he gave the band their swing. With him, they weren’t just a “rock” band: they were rock androll. Without his contributions: well, they were still great. A version of the Illusions albums minus Izzy’s songwriting contributions would still include their classics “November Rain,” “Civil War” and “Yesterdays,” as well as underrated album tracks “Dead Horse,” “Coma,” “Locomotive (Complicity)” and “Estranged.” And that’s a pretty solid album. But it wouldn’t compare to the alternate-universe single-album Illusion that only has Izzy’s songs. Check this track list: “Right Next Door To Hell,” “Dust N’ Bones,” “Don’t Cry,” “Perfect Crime,” “You Ain’t the First,” “Bad Obsession,” “Double Talkin’ Jive,” “Bad Apples,” “14 Years,” “You Could Be Mine,” and, OK, “Pretty Tied Up.” It’s sad that the Axl/Slash/Duff/Izzy version of Guns N Roses (whether with Steven Adler or Matt Sorum on drums) said all they had to say in their brief discography. But it’s fair to say that Izzy Stradlin’s contribution was major, and was far greater than his rhythm guitar playing (which itself is an essential element of the band’s early sound). By most reports, Guns N Roses’ summer concerts were great. They could have been greater: it would have been awesome to see Izzy take the mic for a few songs (a la Keith Richards at Rolling Stones concerts). Guns fans deserve to see performances of “Dust N Bones” and “14 Years.” Maybe next summer. http://radio.com/2016/09/16/guns-n-roses-use-your-illusion-izzy-stradlin/ 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Pretty Tied Up is not a dud! It's fantastic! Other than that, great article. Thanks for posting. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkenchantress Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 The article is great. Pretty accurate! I personally love Izzy's songs, they are simple and effective, and his lyrics are bitter and real. Dust and bones is my favorite song from UYI's, just a fucking rock n' roll masterpiece. I also love You could be mine, it's so AFD... and Pretty tied up is like the most underrated song ever. Well, yes, Izzy Stradlin's contributions to those albums were pretty impressive even though they buried him in the mix and you can barely hear him. So, until time proves me wrong (and it hadn't in 26 years): Guns n' roses cannot release a decent album without Izzy Stradlin, and that's just a fact so far. But, oh, who cares, he's got no stage presence. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Pretty Tied Up a dud? Clueless. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archtop Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Great to see just how much Izzy contributed set out like this, "he gave the band their swing. With him, they weren’t just a “rock” band: they were rock and roll". love this quote, and couldn't agree more. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 The same thing again and again... At first, the article lists the songs written or co-written by Izzy and then lists the songs that Izzy didn't contribute, and compares them. So, the songs co-written by Izzy are Izzy songs. Why don't they make a list with the songs written exclusively by Izzy and then a list with the songs that Axl wrote or co-wrote? And see then which album would be more 'solid'? Dust N' Bones is a great song, but Civil War, November Rain, Estranged, Locomotive and Coma beat hands down anything Izzy wrote by himself (imo). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorderlineCrazy Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 hour ago, RONIN said: Guns N Roses’ summer concerts were great. They could have been greater That's everything that needs to be said. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADDOGJONES Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself said: The same thing again and again... At first, the article lists the songs written or co-written by Izzy and then lists the songs that Izzy didn't contribute, and compares them. So, the songs co-written by Izzy are Izzy songs. Why don't they make a list with the songs written exclusively by Izzy and then a list with the songs that Axl wrote or co-wrote? And see then which album would be more 'solid'? Dust N' Bones is a great song, but Civil War, November Rain, Estranged, Locomotive and Coma beat hands down anything Izzy wrote by himself (imo). Yeah, that's exactly what they did! What's with people just twisting everything all the time? what a sad state of affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkenchantress Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself said: Dust N' Bones is a great song, but Civil War, November Rain, Estranged, Locomotive and Coma beat hands down anything Izzy wrote by himself (imo). Of course it's a matter of taste. I'm a fan of simple things and I get tired easily of such long pompous songs. November rain especially, I only like the last part, I'd take Patience any day over it as the big GnR ballad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Darkenchantress said: Of course it's a matter of taste. I'm a fan of simple things and I get tired easily of such long pompous songs. November rain especially, I only like the last part, I'd take Patience any day over it as the big GnR ballad. It's a matter of taste indeed and I really like most of the 'simple' songs / rockers, however the others usually carry a lot more emotions, so they are actually deeper. Patience was co-written by Izzy and Axl, so let's leave it out of the equation. Tell me an Izzy-exclusive song that can objectively face NR or Estranged in that aspect. Regarding the lyrics, I don't think Izzy could write a Civil War or a Locomotive. You may prefer DTJ for example, but could you seriously claim that it has better lyrics than those two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted March 10, 2017 Author Share Posted March 10, 2017 25 minutes ago, WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself said: The same thing again and again... At first, the article lists the songs written or co-written by Izzy and then lists the songs that Izzy didn't contribute, and compares them. So, the songs co-written by Izzy are Izzy songs. Why don't they make a list with the songs written exclusively by Izzy and then a list with the songs that Axl wrote or co-wrote? And see then which album would be more 'solid'? Dust N' Bones is a great song, but Civil War, November Rain, Estranged, Locomotive and Coma beat hands down anything Izzy wrote by himself (imo). A band is a collaborative effort. Guns N' Roses used to be like that back in the day. They all probably contributed in their own small way to each song, but as Izzy has mentioned in the past, he would write a song and the band would proceed to add/subtract to it. But the substratum of the song is from Izzy. He's the foundation of a lot of GnR's songs. Use your Illusion is a tricky affair because the song crediting system became notoriously complicated. Locomotive for example was written by Slash but we have no idea if Izzy contributed to it or not -- the song was written when Slash crashed at Izzy's house in 1990 iirc. There have been rumors that a lot of tracks had contributions from Duff and Steven which were not included in the final credit listing. Izzy as well. Whether this is true or not is anyone's guess. To come back to the point, I'm assuming an "Izzy" song is one he wrote or co-wrote. If that's the definition we're going by, then Izzy contributing a little riff or flourish to Locomotive would not give him any writing credit for that song. As far as your argument that Dust N' Bones was weaker than the other efforts, that's all fine and dandy but all those songs are again, collaborative efforts. November Rain wouldn't be half the song it is without Slash. And yet, I can't really listen to Slash's solo albums much. Meh. Point being, what you're saying goes both ways. An Izzy solo song isn't all that great perhaps. But neither is an Axl solo song or a Slash solo song. Time and the critical/commercial consensus has proven that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted March 10, 2017 Author Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 hour ago, soon said: Pretty Tied Up is not a dud! It's fantastic! Other than that, great article. Thanks for posting. Yeah -- not sure what the author was thinking there. Arguably the best Izzy contribution along with YCBM and Don't Cry on Illusions. Pretty Tied Up, Locomotive and Breakdown are the highlights for me on UYI 2. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkenchantress Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself said: It's a matter of taste indeed and I really like most of the 'simple' songs / rockers, however the others usually carry a lot more emotions, so they are actually deeper. Patience was co-written by Izzy and Axl, so let's leave it out of the equation. Tell me an Izzy-exclusive song that can objectively face NR or Estranged in that aspect. Regarding the lyrics, I don't think Izzy could write a Civil War or a Locomotive. You may prefer DTJ for example, but could you seriously claim that it has better lyrics than those two? I don't know if the lyrics are better I know that those songs make me feel more so I like them more. I find Dust and bones and Pretty tied up lyrics brilliant though, classic Stradlin. And I didn't say Patience cause it was written by Izzy (as far as I know Izzy wrote it for Angela Nicoletti, she even has a tape with the original version he gave to her, then Axl probably added something so it's credited to both of them), it's my favorite GnR song and if it had been written by Axl alone it would still be my favorite. Whatever, I personally find November Rain lyrics pretty lame, what really makes the song more bearable for me is Slash's guitar most of the time. Edited March 10, 2017 by Darkenchantress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archtop Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 One of my favourite songs is you ain't the first, I love the rawness, never gets enough love, so I guess I'm in a minority here. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted March 10, 2017 Author Share Posted March 10, 2017 16 minutes ago, WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself said: It's a matter of taste indeed and I really like most of the 'simple' songs / rockers, however the others usually carry a lot more emotions, so they are actually deeper. Patience was co-written by Izzy and Axl, so let's leave it out of the equation. Tell me an Izzy-exclusive song that can objectively face NR or Estranged in that aspect. Regarding the lyrics, I don't think Izzy could write a Civil War or a Locomotive. You may prefer DTJ for example, but could you seriously claim that it has better lyrics than those two? And that's just like, your opinion man. I actually think his lyrics are very rock n' roll and lacking any of the heavy handed pretensions of some of Axl's stuff. Civil War's lyrics to me are a bit sophomoric and heavy handed. We don't need to diminish one person's contributions to make the other look better. I think Izzy and Axl are overall great songwriters. Yes, I even like what Axl did with Chinese Democracy (for the most part). They both complement each other well which is what the author of the article brings attention to. They balance each other out. Also - here's the other thing, every member brings their influence to the songs. An Izzy song, by itself, would sound like a stones song. Slash's stuff would go more in an Aerosmith or metal direction. Duff brings his punk influences to the equation. That's what Guns is. You can't remove one of these elements out and expect the final result to "sound" like Guns N' Roses. That's why the idea of having Fortus on an album or Gilby was and is preposterous. And to make matters worse, Izzy was Axl's main songwriting partner in the band. You're missing one half of the team essentially and that's really the point of this article. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerInThisTown Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Archtop said: One of my favourite songs is you ain't the first, I love the rawness, never gets enough love, so I guess I'm in a minority here. You're not alone. Love the downhome delta blues feel and the lyrics are just great. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkenchantress Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, Archtop said: One of my favourite songs is you ain't the first, I love the rawness, never gets enough love, so I guess I'm in a minority here. Love it too, is a very relatable song for me. I wanna like all @RONIN perfect posts but I'm out of likes! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorderlineCrazy Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, MADDOGJONES said: I haven't been fighting with anyone and I haven't cried in over a year. What issue do you have with talking facts? Why are you making things up? What opinion do I have that I am trying to get other people to embrace? when they don't embrace this opinion what do I do to annoy them? Do I name call them names and accuse them of crying? Talking facts? I'm still waiting for you to come up with some proof about your comments that Izzy rejected a full time offer and then another one to do guest spots. Or some proof that Duff is making way less money than Axl and Slash. You talk out of your ass and call it facts and then accuse people of being unable to differentiate opinions from facts. You want people to embrace your idea that the band is perfect as it is, that nothing can't be criticized (you jumped at someone for not liking Frank as a drummer!!) and that if Izzy and Steven are not involved it's their fault. YOUR OPINION. What do you do to annoy people? Hmm, you just come up with stupid comments like this: "Yeah, right. 14 years would have blown everyone's minds. Izzy is a plant pot on stage." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendez Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 2 hours ago, soon said: Pretty Tied Up is not a dud! It's fantastic! Other than that, great article. Thanks for posting. Diizzy makes it a dud IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, Mendez said: Diizzy makes it a dud IMO Nope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted March 10, 2017 Author Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 hour ago, MADDOGJONES said: Yeah, right. 14 years would have blown everyone's minds. Izzy is a plant pot on stage. And Fortus looks like he's having a stroke/orgasm onstage. Different strokes and all that. 53 minutes ago, BorderlineCrazy said: You again? Put it to rest, you already earned the "fan of the month" spot on Axl's wall, you can stop crying now. The band sounded better when Izzy was a part of it, regardless of what songs they were playing. Bingo. Moving past all the other drama, the band just sounds better with him. It makes you wonder what Axl was thinking when he brought in Zakk Wylde as a possible replacement. Jesus. Even now, GnR has two lead guitarists in the band. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendez Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Sosso said: Nope. Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 42 minutes ago, RONIN said: A band is a collaborative effort. Guns N' Roses used to be like that back in the day. They all probably contributed in their own small way to each song, but as Izzy has mentioned in the past, he would write a song and the band would proceed to add/subtract to it. But the substratum of the song is from Izzy. He's the foundation of a lot of GnR's songs. Use your Illusion is a tricky affair because the song crediting system became notoriously complicated. Locomotive for example was written by Slash but we have no idea if Izzy contributed to it or not -- the song was written when Slash crashed at Izzy's house in 1990 iirc. There have been rumors that a lot of tracks had contributions from Duff and Steven which were not included in the final credit listing. Izzy as well. Whether this is true or not is anyone's guess. To come back to the point, I'm assuming an "Izzy" song is one he wrote or co-wrote. If that's the definition we're going by, then Izzy contributing a little riff or flourish to Locomotive would not give him any writing credit for that song. As far as your argument that Dust N' Bones was weaker than the other efforts, that's all fine and dandy but all those songs are again, collaborative efforts. November Rain wouldn't be half the song it is without Slash. And yet, I can't really listen to Slash's solo albums much. Meh. Point being, what you're saying goes both ways. An Izzy solo song isn't all that great perhaps. But neither is an Axl solo song or a Slash solo song. Time and the critical/commercial consensus has proven that point. I would say that an Izzy song is a song that Izzy wrote by himself or at least the other members' input was minimal. The same goes with the Axl songs. All the other songs are a joint effort. Neither Izzy's nor Axl's solely. I don't disagree that Izzy wrote the skeleton of a big portion of the GNR catalogue, but on the other hand, one could say that the additions made by the others were very significant, since Izzy wrote rather simple stuff. Even Slash has said that Axl always knew how to take a simple Izzy structure and convert it into a great song. And also imo the lyrics and the melody of a song are as important as the music. So I consider Coma and Locomotive Slash and Axl songs for example, even though they originated from Slash. The solo is also very important as you said, but that goes for the Izzy songs as well. For example, DTJ is an Izzy-Slash song for me. I don't go by the credits. Izzy had one of the most basic parts in the songwriting, but even without him they wrote great songs. Axl was a better lyricist and wrote far more musically versatile and deeper songs. We aren't talking about Axl or Slash or Duff solo albums, since they are together the 3 of them now. I think that they were (are?) fully capable of making a great album without Izzy, considering all the non-Izzy songs on the Illusions. Edited March 10, 2017 by WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADDOGJONES Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, BorderlineCrazy said: Talking facts? I'm still waiting for you to come up with some proof about your comments that Izzy rejected a full time offer and then another one to do guest spots. Or some proof that Duff is making way less money than Axl and Slash. You talk out of your ass and call it facts and then accuse people of being unable to differentiate opinions from facts. You want people to embrace your idea that the band is perfect as it is, that nothing can't be criticized (you jumped at someone for not liking Frank as a drummer!!) and that if Izzy and Steven are not involved it's their fault. YOUR OPINION. What do you do to annoy people? Hmm, you just come up with stupid comments like this: "Yeah, right. 14 years would have blown everyone's minds. Izzy is a plant pot on stage." I never stated duff is making "way less money". Not sure why you have to change what i wrote? If you are going to argue against something I said at least get what I said right. I stated that he was not making an equal amount to Slash and Axl. The partnership agreement is in the public domain, it has been for maybe 10 years now, it was released as part of a law suit. Go and find it and read it or don't go and find it and don't read it. I don't care what you do. But I'm talking out of my ass because you don't know something? Right? You are not educated on a certain matter so anyone who states something you don't know is full of shit? Mmmm... nice logic. i don't want people to embrace the band as being perfect as it is. Again, never said that, not ever. If you don't like the band as it is, great, I don't give a fuck about it. Criticize what you want, just don't make things up and slander people because you aren't getting things your way, the treatment of Axl, Slash and duff lately is ridiculous. oh sorry, mate, did that statement annoy you? Am i not allowed to critique something? Pot meet kettle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorderlineCrazy Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 11 minutes ago, MADDOGJONES said: I never stated duff is making "way less money". Not sure why you have to change what i wrote? If you are going to argue against something I said at least get what I said right. I stated that he was not making an equal amount to Slash and Axl. The partnership agreement is in the public domain, it has been for maybe 10 years now, it was released as part of a law suit. Go and find it and read it or don't go and find it and don't read it. I don't care what you do. But I'm talking out of my ass because you don't know something? Right? You are not educated on a certain matter so anyone who states something you don't know is full of shit? Mmmm... nice logic. i don't want people to embrace the band as being perfect as it is. Again, never said that, not ever. If you don't like the band as it is, great, I don't give a fuck about it. Criticize what you want, just don't make things up and slander people because you aren't getting things your way, the treatment of Axl, Slash and duff lately is ridiculous. oh sorry, mate, did that statement annoy you? Am i not allowed to critique something? Pot meet kettle. So you just assume they're splitting the money according to the old partnership agreement based on...? Yeah, just guessing. The treatment of Axl, Slash and Duff lately is ridiculous? You must live in an alternative world. Criticizing something they've done is not the same as hating them. I don't like how they handled things with Steven at all (and you won't change that) but I still love them as much as it's actually possible. If you even doubt for a second how much they mean to me, then you're just guessing and talking out of your ass once again. No, that statement in particular didn't annoy me at all. I do find it annoying that all you do is fighting everyone. I'm still waiting to see a positive comment from you about something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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