AtariLegend Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255181 Personally I hope the Scottish stay to decrease the chances of the Tories being in power for a generation, but if I was Scottish I'd be tempted to get out now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Does she even have the authority to call a referendum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I wonder what @Graeme has to say about this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dazey said: Does she even have the authority to call a referendum? She has a majority to pass the legislation in Parliament. It might only be an advisory referendum if May's government doesn't agree to make it legally binding, but if the result was "Yes" and May ignored it, I can't see that going very well. To answer Slash's question, I'm all for it. I think it was more-or-less inevitable in the aftermath of the EU referendum (and to a lesser extent the 2015 General Election) where the difference in political culture between Scotland and other parts of the UK was displayed very starkly. I don't believe it's sustainable to try and maintain a unitary state over the long term when we're clearly pulling in different directions and I believe the most mature thing to do would be to break up the UK and create a new co-operative relationship between the island nations. Edited March 13, 2017 by Graeme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Graeme said: She has a majority to pass the legislation in Parliament. It might only be an advisory referendum if May's government doesn't agree to make it legally binding, but if the result was "Yes" and May ignored it, I can't see that going very well. To answer Slash's question, I'm all for it. I think it was more-or-less inevitable in the aftermath of the EU referendum (and to a lesser extent the 2015 General Election) where the difference in political culture between Scotland and other parts of the UK was displayed very starkly. I don't believe it's sustainable to try and maintain a unitary state over the long term when we're clearly pulling in different directions and I believe the most mature thing to do would be to break up the UK and create a more mature, co-operative relationship between the island nations. Ever watch Question Time and see the audience boo every time Scotland is mentioned? It's quite clear the words United Kingdom and Britain mean England to alot of people. Noticed this alot more since the referendum on TV. When I was a kid though I'd remember living in the midlands and people would look at me confused, not knowing that Northern Ireland was part of the UK. I know people get offended by alot of the generalizations made about why certain areas voted leave during the referendum and it's true it's not all about the foreigners. However alot of the country have very different ideas about identity. They'll be making films about these referendums and this government's rhetoric in decades to come. I personally hope that there's no such referendum here for a United Ireland. Too much risk of political violence from both sides of the previous generations regardless of outcome. Edited March 13, 2017 by AtariLegend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 20 minutes ago, Graeme said: She has a majority to pass the legislation in Parliament. It might only be an advisory referendum if May's government doesn't agree to make it legally binding, but if the result was "Yes" and May ignored it, I can't see that going very well. To answer Slash's question, I'm all for it. I think it was more-or-less inevitable in the aftermath of the EU referendum (and to a lesser extent the 2015 General Election) where the difference in political culture between Scotland and other parts of the UK was displayed very starkly. I don't believe it's sustainable to try and maintain a unitary state over the long term when we're clearly pulling in different directions and I believe the most mature thing to do would be to break up the UK and create a new co-operative relationship between the island nations. What happens if Scotland votes against independence again though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Dazey said: What happens if Scotland votes against independence again though? Guess we're coming out of Europe with you lot and buckling up for a decade or more of Tory hegemony that we're not gonna vote for. Sounds like a treat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 27 minutes ago, Graeme said: Guess we're coming out of Europe with you lot and buckling up for a decade or more of Tory hegemony that we're not gonna vote for. Sounds like a treat. Just for the record I actually think you should get another vote given the circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracii Guns Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Not against another referendum for Scotland, but it appears that many Brexit voters have changed their minds on that particular stance too- so can we have another vote on Europe too? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Gracii Guns said: so can we have another vote on Europe too? Given the voting tonight and lack of fight for amendments, I don't think there'll be a second referendum. The Tories have went on about the EU for decades and evil human rights ect. Now there's chance to get rid of it all and blame voters afterward for anything that goes wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted March 18, 2017 Author Share Posted March 18, 2017 So much for unity. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/17/brexit-important-keeping-uk-together-public-say-poll-telegraph/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toroymoi Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Scotland's too good for us, seeing my country turn in to a haven for the tories has not been pleasant (to say the least). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) If the English were allowed to vote in any 2nd referendum I think it's safe to say that Scotland would get their independence. Edited March 19, 2017 by bucketfoot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) Can't believe I'm saying this, I'm a from protestant background (although I'm not religious) and one of my parents was in British army... think I'm starting to become pro United Ireland. Edited March 29, 2017 by AtariLegend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I hate to sound slefish here, but let's say one were to travel to Scotland in June with the intention of tasting and purchasing whisky. In what scenario of Brexit combined with this referendum would the whisky be the cheapest? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicrawker Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) Where is William Wallace when you need him................ Edited March 29, 2017 by classicrawker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Guys, I'm not British but I'm European. This is what May has said about the main issues for the Leave supporters She can't guarantee lower immigration after Brexit She can't guarantee the 350 millions for NHS. She basically said it's not the size, it's how you use it She doesn't have an economic plan. All she said was that there will be a new economic model without any detail It seems it's Brexit just for the hell of it. Go for it Scotland!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 7 hours ago, classicrawker said: Where is William Wallace when you need him................ That film is historically inaccurate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicrawker Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Graeme said: That film is historically inaccurate. no it was alternate facts mate......... Edited March 30, 2017 by classicrawker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I hope the Scots leave. And that Wales and Northern Ireland will follow. Serves you fight for leaving the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Graeme said: That film is historically inaccurate. Get's Scots Americans/Canadians riled up though... you know people who's great, great, great, great grandfather/mother once lived in Scotland 300 years ago maybe. Edited March 30, 2017 by AtariLegend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 Cameron doing a U turn, talking about how he was never a fan of the EU. Didn't like the flag for the right wing press. You mean a man who spent years going on about evil human rights at every PM Q/A's in parliament during his tenure didn't like the EU? Shocking! Always thought Cameron being pushed as the face of REMAIN, was an attempt at self sabotage. Fucking Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 On 3/29/2017 at 6:42 PM, classicrawker said: Where is William Wallace when you need him................ Ensconced in a hollywood mansion somewhere neckin' Bourbon goin' 'fuckin' yids...first Christ and now me, when will people see them for what they are!' 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 (edited) For some reason, Gibson is how I imagine all UKIP voters had they been born in the US; Edited April 1, 2017 by AtariLegend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 (edited) On 30/03/2017 at 3:15 AM, Georgy Zhukov said: I hope the Scots leave. And that Wales and Northern Ireland will follow. Serves you fight for leaving the EU. Voting to leave an undemocratic political union, run by unelected, self-serving bureaucrats and in doing so reclaiming our sovereignty and identity? Yeah, how dare we? Personally I think the Scots would be absolutely insane to leave the UK and try to get back in with the EU, but it would be their choice and it is only right that they get to decide on that. The day Article 50 was triggered was a great, great day. Edited April 1, 2017 by bucketfoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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