blackrose87 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 So we all know the big 3 are milking it with this "reunion" with stories speculating millions per show with the rest of the band I guess on some sort of generic contracts. I'm curious as to the status of Dizzy .The guy's been a silent loyal follower to Axl for 25 years or so. Surely he must be higher up the pecking order than say Melissa or Frank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Cavalerra Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Based on playing Tambourine itself should guarantee him got more than the other hirelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 He's paid as he's always been paid since Illusions: enough to afford beer and a couch to crash on. Del James lives further in Axl's ass than Dizzy, so his accommodations are different I imagine. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Dizzy is a warrior. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caught_in_a_Coma Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 This next song, is put together by Mr Dizzy Reed and Mr Chris Pitman. This is called Silkworms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaguns1982 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) I doubt dizzy was ever a part of the partnership, he's probably always been on some type of wage. Good coin for being an ass licker. dont even get me started on del James... Just a hanger on who's made a career out of being a suck hole Edited March 16, 2017 by megaguns1982 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-W.A.R- Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 3 hours ago, RONIN said: He's paid as he's always been paid since Illusions: enough to afford beer and a couch to crash on. Del James lives further in Axl's ass than Dizzy, so his accommodations are different I imagine. this is what i'd like to ask Del Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 A lot of sidemen live modestly because when they're not on the road, but it's enough to not worry about a mortgage - however, they start looking at one room as being a home studio and there goes the money, but it's their version of a home office/mancave. I'm sure what he made in GNR allowed him to buy a nice Hollywood home, but even A-list celebrities have neighbors and don't all live behind gates. Some people just have an overpriced condo because they don't want to plant roots there. Some musicians are "homeless" but rich, so they'll live in hotels, at their girlfriend's, or even with mom or a sibling. Or in an RV...but that RV's probably a half million dollars, parked in Malibu a few feet from the ocean - and can work on their music in there. Vagabond life. You're not going to get the number out of any of them, but in a Q&A, if you ask "what can a sideman make in a big rock band LIKE theStones or Guns",you might get a ballpark figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
life_247 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 The wierd thing is Dizzy Reed isn't a sideman in the traditional sense. Sidemen normally only play live or on the occasional track but since the Illusions Dizzy has been part of the band officially - he's on the back of the record cover! (He got 6 writing credits on CD - so he's the only other member of the current line up to have writing credits) I'd assume since he's been on the payroll since the Illusions tour he's getting an alright bit of the pie - but isn't legally part of the Guns partnership. You could safely assume he gets a lot more than Frank, Fortus and Melissa. It really depends how they do it - it could be a case of Fortus,Frank and Melissa are simply employee's in a sense of getting travel expenses etc. on top of a flat salary while Dizzy may get a base rate along with a couple of percent. This isn't unusal as when people join a band they normally don't have the £ or $ to sit and wait for 2 years for the gigs to payout (you've got to clear down all your fee's and pay the employee's first) - most people wouldn't sign on to work for free for 2 years before collecting on their work. In the case of large concert tours they are so expensive to run that the first 75%+ of the shows often are required to pay all the costs and salarys of the people involved. (In fact I think the last U2 tour every date paid for all the expenses and only the final date was pure profit split between the band!) So like I said its not Axl,Slash,Duff being mean and not splitting the Pie - they are probably taking the large fiscal risk in putting on the tour whereas the other 4 probably would prefer to take home less but be paid every month from the get go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 He was asking money from people for his daughters college tuition Remember those leaked emails where he was begging beta that what is going to happen next with the band as he needed money. I feel bad for him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ludurigan Posted March 17, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2017 i really started respecting Dizzy Reed when he made fun of Izzy Stradlin SONGWRITING ABILITY Everyone that makes fun of Izzy gets my respect -- right there and then -- specially when they make fun of izzys songwriting ability DIZZY REED ON IZZY: Izzy used to be a great songwriter- his contribution to Guns N' Roses first album are phenomenal. But, its almost like the guy has lost the fire... I mean I saw the guy a couple years back in the studio... and he was showing me a song he had just written called "Toothpuller" - it was literally about him visiting the dentist and getting a tooth pulled out. [Dizzy then sings some of the lyrics] I mean... this is a guy who wrote some badass songs and now he's writing about getting his tooth pulled... I mean come on... can you imagine Axl singing that live?' Given the extensive body of work by Mr. Dizzy Reed, his imense (its unmesureable, really) contribution to the art of songwriting, the many (many!) songs he wrote for GNR and on his many solo albums and also the stuff he co wrote for other great (seminal, really) rock bands like huh... yeah... huh... hookers and blow and... huh... ...and also considering that Izzy Stradlin only helped writing 4 of the best rock albums ever written in the history of mankind ...oh, and he only did like 10-plus really cool rock n roll solo records... given all that, I came to the conclusion that this Dizzy Reed guy is entitled to make fun of Izzy Stradlin -- specially when it comes to the art of songwriting! Dizzy Reed, such a classy guy! ...and what a songwriter! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, ludurigan said: i really started respecting Dizzy Reed when he made fun of Izzy Stradlin SONGWRITING ABILITY Everyone that makes fun of Izzy gets my respect -- right there and then -- specially when they make fun of izzys songwriting ability DIZZY REED ON IZZY: Izzy used to be a great songwriter- his contribution to Guns N' Roses first album are phenomenal. But, its almost like the guy has lost the fire... I mean I saw the guy a couple years back in the studio... and he was showing me a song he had just written called "Toothpuller" - it was literally about him visiting the dentist and getting a tooth pulled out. [Dizzy then sings some of the lyrics] I mean... this is a guy who wrote some badass songs and now he's writing about getting his tooth pulled... I mean come on... can you imagine Axl singing that live?' Given the extensive body of work by Mr. Dizzy Reed, his imense (its unmesureable, really) contribution to the art of songwriting, the many (many!) songs he wrote for GNR and on his many solo albums and also the stuff he co wrote for other great (seminal, really) rock bands like huh... yeah... huh... hookers and blow and... huh... ...and also considering that Izzy Stradlin only helped writing 4 of the best rock albums ever written in the history of mankind ...oh, and he only did like 10-plus really cool rock n roll solo records... given all that, I came to the conclusion that this Dizzy Reed guy is entitled to make fun of Izzy Stradlin -- specially when it comes to the art of songwriting! Dizzy Reed, such a classy guy! ...and what a songwriter! Holy shit when did Dizzy say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-W.A.R- Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 15 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said: Holy shit when did Dizzy say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesecake Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 31 minutes ago, ludurigan said: i really started respecting Dizzy Reed when he made fun of Izzy Stradlin SONGWRITING ABILITY Everyone that makes fun of Izzy gets my respect -- right there and then -- specially when they make fun of izzys songwriting ability DIZZY REED ON IZZY: Izzy used to be a great songwriter- his contribution to Guns N' Roses first album are phenomenal. But, its almost like the guy has lost the fire... I mean I saw the guy a couple years back in the studio... and he was showing me a song he had just written called "Toothpuller" - it was literally about him visiting the dentist and getting a tooth pulled out. [Dizzy then sings some of the lyrics] I mean... this is a guy who wrote some badass songs and now he's writing about getting his tooth pulled... I mean come on... can you imagine Axl singing that live?' Given the extensive body of work by Mr. Dizzy Reed, his imense (its unmesureable, really) contribution to the art of songwriting, the many (many!) songs he wrote for GNR and on his many solo albums and also the stuff he co wrote for other great (seminal, really) rock bands like huh... yeah... huh... hookers and blow and... huh... ...and also considering that Izzy Stradlin only helped writing 4 of the best rock albums ever written in the history of mankind ...oh, and he only did like 10-plus really cool rock n roll solo records... given all that, I came to the conclusion that this Dizzy Reed guy is entitled to make fun of Izzy Stradlin -- specially when it comes to the art of songwriting! Dizzy Reed, such a classy guy! ...and what a songwriter! Is that his mouth or his ass talking? What a loon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Cavalerra Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Eh, he's just stating a fact, the flame has been fading since long time ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Still, you don't say that about a founding key member of the band you are in, especially since he plays on all those songs. His career revolves around Izzy's talent. I don't dislike Dizzy, and that quote was a while ago and I even get the context, but its sort of in poor taste imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
History2010 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 15 hours ago, Słash said: He was asking money from people for his daughters college tuition Remember those leaked emails where he was begging beta that what is going to happen next with the band as he needed money. I feel bad for him I gotta see those leaked emails.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Wagszilla said: I'm guessing the lyrics were written by Dizzy because Pitman's work is all aces. And that song, instrumentally, is awesome. Pitman is so late 90's though. I know he played on a Tool album and was tight with the APC guys but I always found Pitman's shtick to be cheesy in Guns. He gave the nu band an outdated feel if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top-Hatted One Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 28 minutes ago, History2010 said: I gotta see those leaked emails.... +1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
History2010 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Pitman earned 163k in 2011. So Dizzy should probably be paid decent money. After all these years he has hopefully received a raise or two. 163k or more a year to tour stadiums across the world sounds like a pretty cool gig to me lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Wagszilla said: His key effects were a little on the dated side in GNR as the years went on, I'll agree with that. If the album came out in 2002 like it should of, reasonably timely. Not bleeding edge but commercial music never is. Agreed. That's the tragedy of that whole album...so much of it would have been contemporary if they had just made the original release date. I know it isn't his style but I wish Axl had just finished his albums with Guns rapid fire style like Izzy and just brought in new collaborators for each one. First album could have been his Reznor/Dave Navarro colllab and then from there he could have gone back to his ballads with Bucket and Finck. Too bad -- I feel like it could have all worked out with just a bit of tweaking. Edited March 17, 2017 by RONIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendez Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 22 minutes ago, Wagszilla said: Pitman probably has done 1000% more work in the studio than Dizzy. I feel like Marco Beltrami has done 1000% more work than both of them for the CD sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby845 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Axl 1 mill, Slash and Duff 750k, Dizzy 200k, Frank, Richard 150k... equals 3 mill... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xBrownstonex Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 It doesnt work that way, kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 9 hours ago, ZoSoRose said: Holy shit when did Dizzy say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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