If Axl's vocal issues were a medical condition..

[AxlsFavoriteRose]

4 hours ago, soon said:

If Axls vocal changes and decline in consistency is related to a health issue, then my goodness my heart goes out to the poor guy!  What a horror it is for anyone to see their health decline, to even teeter on experiencing disability.  Its especially hard for any of us when it is our craft that is impacted by declining health.  That thing in us that shines and creates beauty for this world.  Its heart breaking.  A tragedy best left to poetry.

And i would be so grateful that even if he's been suffering poor health, surgery and use-damage that he has continued to share his gift.  Knowing his body may not deliver but risking it for us.  Knowing each good performance could be his swan song.  

What if he had surgery on throat due to use damage, then changed to clean voice for CD as a result, then felt it was rejected so went back to the voice that damaged him?  How would I feel?  Overwhelmed, cathartic, shamed, mesmerized.  Grateful.

I think Axl sounds great regularly with GNR.  There are songs that he's aged out of and thats to be expected with his style.  And like many artists, he has good nights and he has amazing nights.  And yeah, some duds.  But on NITL he's done really great all things considered. I got to see the NA run and I do think it was generally more consistent then other legs, so Im happy about that.

He remains the best singer, frontman and visionary in rock n roll history in this fans books.  Its not mere legacy.  He is still there. 

great, thoughtful, well thought out post!

[AxlsFavoriteRose]

12 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

Yous guys are gonna will death onto Axl Rose, why don't you leave that poor fucker alone and let him do his job   'well, he sounds a litttttttttttle different today!', EVERYONE sounds a little different every fuckin' day, thats the way the human race/ the human body etc works, it's about envoirnment, diet, lifestyle etc etc, every guitarist doesn't play the same everyday, every singer especially doesn't sing the same every day, thats the way the cookie crumbles, just fuckin' enjoy what you got cuz 10 years ago it was hard to see that mad fat ginger cunt out in broad daylight, much less back and gigging with the people (or some of the people) everyone wanted him to be with.  

spot on!

[Gordon Comstock]

It's not about his health, it's not about his age, the complaints come from the very obvious fact that he chooses to perform some of his best, most popular songs with his weakest singing voice. He admitted the clean voice was a conscious change in the CD era, and with a lot of songs he's become set in his ways. He still cruises through songs like YCBM and Paradise City like he's playing casinos with DJ Ashba. If you're gonna do a huge reunion tour and charge an arm and a leg, then at least be on par with the performances you give in your side job (AC/DC).

[stella]

Dude has been singing his entire life, he's in his 50s, and for the last 30+ years he's been performing music with a lot of screaming and high notes. And his voice isn't the same as it was when he was 25? Quelle surprise. As to AC/DC vs. GnR music sounding different, it could be how he's approaching it, how he thinks it needs to be sung, the type of coaching or direction he's being given (if any), or that those particular songs are easier on his voice.

In 1988 on the Iron Maiden tour there were news reports that his voice was thrashed to the point he wasn't talking when he was offstage. Even in the AfD era he had nights where he didn't sound as good. Injuries happen to many singers, especially over time. It's life.

The way I feel about it is that if he didn't give a fuck, he wouldn't be up there for three hours running around. He's doing his best, and if I want to hear him sound just like he did on AfD and UYI I will just listen to the CDs.

 

[AlexC]

19 hours ago, TheFormerSoul said:

It is apparent that Axl's voice is not very strong this tour, and many of you guys have expressed frustration with how he sounds currently.

Having seen many of the photos/vids of this tour and even attending a live show, I can attest to feeling the same way too, both with Axls voice, and frankly, his fragile looking appearance.   

 

The question is this; if the reason for Axl's poor vocals and performances were a direct result of a vocal or physical handicap, would you guys feel less critical of this tour? 

Yes. The guy seems so fragile...

[Draguns]

7 hours ago, soon said:

If Axls vocal changes and decline in consistency is related to a health issue, then my goodness my heart goes out to the poor guy!  What a horror it is for anyone to see their health decline, to even teeter on experiencing disability.  Its especially hard for any of us when it is our craft that is impacted by declining health.  That thing in us that shines and creates beauty for this world.  Its heart breaking.  A tragedy best left to poetry.

And i would be so grateful that even if he's been suffering poor health, surgery and use-damage that he has continued to share his gift.  Knowing his body may not deliver but risking it for us.  Knowing each good performance could be his swan song.  

What if he had surgery on throat due to use damage, then changed to clean voice for CD as a result, then felt it was rejected so went back to the voice that damaged him?  How would I feel?  Overwhelmed, cathartic, shamed, mesmerized.  Grateful.

I think Axl sounds great regularly with GNR.  There are songs that he's aged out of and thats to be expected with his style.  And like many artists, he has good nights and he has amazing nights.  And yeah, some duds.  But on NITL he's done really great all things considered. I got to see the NA run and I do think it was generally more consistent then other legs, so Im happy about that.

He remains the best singer, frontman and visionary in rock n roll history in this fans books.  Its not mere legacy.  He is still there. 

Having a disability isn't the end of the world!   This and the original poster has said some STUPID things. I have a physical disability. I work for Bloomberg LP and have been there since 2000. I am also a very well educated college graduate. I graduated with a 3.74 GPA. I've played football, drive, and date.  Learn from someone who has a disability before saying something STUPID!!  

3 hours ago, AxlsFavoriteRose said:

great, thoughtful, well thought out post!

Far from a well thought out post. It was DUMB!!

[Draguns]

20 hours ago, TheFormerSoul said:

It is apparent that Axl's voice is not very strong this tour, and many of you guys have expressed frustration with how he sounds currently.

Having seen many of the photos/vids of this tour and even attending a live show, I can attest to feeling the same way too, both with Axls voice, and frankly, his fragile looking appearance.   

 

The question is this; if the reason for Axl's poor vocals and performances were a direct result of a vocal or physical handicap, would you guys feel less critical of this tour? 

WTF!!!!! As someone with a physical disability, I am DEEPLY OFFENDED by this!  He does not have a physical disability. Even i if he did that would not hinder his performance.  In addition, the word handicap is an 80s term which has a negative connotation. 

[AxlsFavoriteRose]

2 minutes ago, Draguns said:

Having a disability isn't the end of the world!   This and the original poster has said some STUPID things. I have a physical disability. I work for Bloomberg LP and have been there since 2000. I am also a very well educated college graduate. I graduated with a 3.74 GPA. I've played football, drive, and date.  Learn from someone who has a disability before saying something STUPID!!  

Far from a well thought out post. It was DUMB!!

uh ok. sorry if what i said was insensitive but i had a cousin with a disability and he didn't go around attacking people for their opinions. very sorry for your disability. but saying someone is stupid is just not right. what if i had a learning disability and posted this because i didn't understand it as well as you think i should have? then you would the one stupid and dumb. js...

[Draguns]

1 minute ago, AxlsFavoriteRose said:

uh ok. sorry if what i said was insensitive but i had a cousin with a disability and he didn't go around attacking people for their opinions. very sorry for your disability. but saying someone is stupid is just not right. what if i had a learning disability and posted this because i didn't understand it as well as you think i should have? then you would the one stupid and dumb. js...

Nothing to be sorry about! Please give me a break. This person that you agreed with stated something very offensive. Don't excuse that person's behavior at all!!  There's a difference between a learning disability and ignorance.  This and your comments are ignorance. 

Edited April 5, 2017 by Draguns

[AxlsFavoriteRose]

2 minutes ago, Draguns said:

Nothing to be sorry about! Please give me a break. This person that you agreed with stated something very offensive. Don't excuse that person's behavior at all!!  There's a difference between a learning disability and ignorance.  This and your comments are ignorance. 

again you are attacking people and that is not cool. we all have our opinions here. you are speaking about your opinion but expect us not to have the same right to express ours?

and honestly, this is not a put down but you seem very angry. have you sought help about it? i have no idea what your disability is, if you had it from birth or whatever. and this is just a suggestion but you can make your point better by not coming in and throwing out words like stupid, dumb and ignorant. peace

[soon]

2 hours ago, Draguns said:

Having a disability isn't the end of the world!   This and the original poster has said some STUPID things. I have a physical disability. I work for Bloomberg LP and have been there since 2000. I am also a very well educated college graduate. I graduated with a 3.74 GPA. I've played football, drive, and date.  Learn from someone who has a disability before saying something STUPID!!  

Far from a well thought out post. It was DUMB!!

So.... you have a disability that doesn't affect your chosen profession.  Thats nice for you.  Something like that comes as no surprise to me as disability is a spectrum.  And since you lead such a full life I cant understand you being so sensitive.

I was clearly speaking within a context where poor health and disability DID effect a persons chosen career.   

I am disabled.  You made a really foolish assumption and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Also.... in a addition to being a very privileged disabled person:  you are the only person sighting their employment at Bloomberg as part of a claim to a moral high ground. 

So, please, as you say; learn from some one with a disability before you say something stupid.

EDIT: leaving my reply as is.  Wish I would've handled it better, though.  Was taken off guard and as a disabled person with a different experience of potential it struck a raw nerve. Thanks to the many who were cool to me about this!

Edited April 6, 2017 by soon

[soon]

15 minutes ago, Draguns said:

WTF!!!!! As someone with a physical disability, I am DEEPLY OFFENDED by this!  He does not have a physical disability. Even i if he did that would not hinder his performance.  In addition, the word handicap is an 80s term which has a negative connotation. 

you need to chill.

stop attacking people.

this is simple:  disabilities that relate to signing could effect singing.  its really really painful straightforward.

 

[Draguns]

5 minutes ago, AxlsFavoriteRose said:

again you are attacking people and that is not cool. we all have our opinions here. you are speaking about your opinion but expect us not to have the same right to express ours?

and honestly, this is not a put down but you seem very angry. have you sought help about it? i have no idea what your disability is, if you had it from birth or whatever. and this is just a suggestion but you can make your point better by not coming in and throwing out words like stupid, dumb and ignorant. peace

Lady, you don't know me. I think you are the one who needs help.

[soon]

1 minute ago, Draguns said:

Lady, you don't know me. I think you are the one who needs help.

chill out

[Draguns]

3 minutes ago, soon said:

you need to chill.

stop attacking people.

this is simple:  disabilities that relate to signing could effect singing.  its really really painful straightforward.

 

So saying something like it's a horror to experience a disability is cool to you? 

[Draguns]

1 minute ago, AxlsFavoriteRose said:

uh yeah i do actually. you were on IMDB and pulled this same stuff. welcome to ignore cos i don't do trolls.

IMDB, the movie database? 

[soon]

1 minute ago, Draguns said:

So saying something like it's a horror to experience a disability is cool to you? 

you've either really missed the point or you're trolling intentionally.  Have a nice day

[Draguns]

Dude, those are your words. Not mine. 

[ludurigan]

8 hours ago, Mendez said:

Im guessing you dont think Axl sounded good in 2006/2007?

you are correct

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i grew up listening to GNR 1985-1991

then i spent the next decade listening to GNR 1985-1991

to this day i get my dose of GNR listening to GNR 1985-1991

i dont listen to GNR 1992 and 1993 mostly because izzy wasnt there, tracy and roberta and their 9 fucking friends were there, and specially because axl was just on autopilot and sounded really lifeless on those years, specially 1992.

in 1993 he sort of got back to some "good spirits" (and the circus was nowhere to be seen) but it didnt last, did it?

anything after 2001 is REALLY bad specially the horrendous clean voice that axl decided to use. that sounds like utter crap

its unlistenable to me

i know a lot of people of my age that feels the same

to add insult to the injury, axl chose these "extremely talented and hard working people" () to play on his solo band and these people really sound like a lifeless cover band

they play the songs note for note, they add some (very untasteful) notes and it stilll sounds lifeless

its pretty much unbearable to listen to your favorite songs being played by people like bumble-whatever and bucket-shit and dj-crap and i dont even like remembering the name of these people

these people made axl solo band sound completely unlistenable

there is no fun listening to that crap

since the guns and aliens tour started it is obvious that axl improved ((not only vocal wise but apparently he is in good spirits) and he seems to have kinda stopped using the clean (mickey-bee-gees-whatever) voice

but even then so he still sounds bad

with the odd exception of some songs with ac/dc (back in black, thunderstruck, shoot to thrill and maybe a couple more)

and of course songs like easy and brownstone where axl uses his low voice

[Draguns]

5 minutes ago, Kris_1989 said:

@Draguns As somebody who also has a disability, calm down. Nobody said anything offensive.

----

As for Axl having a disability, no it wouldn't make me sympathize more. Part of having disabilities is knowing your limits. If he knows he has one that is going to affect his performance then he should hang up his hat and call it a day. Not charge the fans a arm and a leg knowing full well he cant deliver.

I disagree. Saying something to the effect of having a disability is a horror isn't cool. That part was offensive. 

[RussTCB]

Alright, everyone calm down. I think there's a lot of misunderstandings going on from both sides here.

Just now, Kris_1989 said:

I understand your offended because you're reading the post as an attack on your own disabilities. But they weren't talking about you and for some people their disability can be horrific and life altering. Take Brian Johnson, he's a singer, musician and music lover that is losing his ability to hear. Would you not call that horrific? Or even my own situation, I was a successful athlete and blew out both my knees due to a genetic disease. It ended my career and changed my life before I was even 14... Is that not horrific?

My point is, don't take it personal. It's great that you have overcome your disability. But depending on what's wrong medically not all are able to do the same. As another poster said, disabilities aren't black & white. It's a spectrum.

Oh....what @Kris_1989 said.

[Tom-Ass]

On 4/5/2017 at 1:09 AM, AxlRoseCDII said:

I would feel more sympathetic if it was a medical issue but since he "doesn't owe us an explanation" then we currently have no reason to believe so. He sounds pretty good though, barring YCBM/SCOM/LALD/Paradise. I think he just lost his mid voice entirely, but still has that amazing high voice and gravely low one.

Man, I think he is great on LALD.. He totally revived my enjoyment of the song this tour.. 0:48   \m/

 

Edited April 6, 2017 by Tom-Ass

[Draguns]

3 minutes ago, Kris_1989 said:

I understand your offended because you're reading the post as an attack on your own disabilities. But they weren't talking about you and for some people their disability can be horrific and life altering. Take Brian Johnson, he's a singer, musician and music lover that is losing his ability to hear. Would you not call that horrific? Or even my own situation, I was a successful athlete and blew out both my knees due to a genetic disease. It ended my career and changed my life before I was even 14... Is that not horrific?

My point is, don't take it personal. It's great that you have overcome your disability. But depending on what's wrong medically not all are able to do the same. As another poster said, disabilities aren't black & white. It's a spectrum.

Nobody was trying to insult you.

I wasn't reading it as an attack on my disability.  To say something like that is enhancing stereotypes for people with disabilities.  It's not horrific for some people  to have a disability. Brian Johnson is doing different things besides music. He actually likes cars more than music. In addition, he can still sing in the studio and is working on his hearing. In your case, you are doing something different. It's not horrific. You bounced back.  

It annoys me with society's perception that having a disability is such a bad thing. It's not. 

[Tom-Ass]

Before the reunion started I didn't have much faith that Axl was going to pull this off.  He needed to be good carting this line up out on stage or it wasn't going to work. I had some serious doubts..

There haven't been many fans more critical than me on Axl the last 15 years or so but I gotta give credit where credit is due.. There are some songs that he struggles on. Especially some of the hits like Sweet Child, YCBM and Paradise City but he seems like he is giving 100% to me and that is all that counts. I think he does a good do great job on the majority of the songs.  Some better than others but he fucking rips on songs like Jungle, Nightrain, Jungle and Out Ta' Get Me.. Is great on songs like Brownstone, ISE and Don't Cry.. Has gotten much better on songs like Estranged and and Civil War since the April shows... I hate Mickey and I am not hearing it a ton at all. When I do it is toned down.. The guy is in his 50's.. His voice has naturally changed in some ways.. For the people saying he is better or tries harder with AC/DC...He sounds great on the Brian Johnson songs but there were weaker moments during some of the Bon Stuff. I don't account any of it to lack of effort, he just naturally has a harder time with some vocal ranges.  He doesn't sound like he did in the 90's but I think he is doing a damn fine job and giving it all he's got. He sounds a lot better than the majority of his peers at this point too..  he could lose the boots, hats and gut, but I think he is kicking ass for the most part.. maybe drop a CD song or two as well

Axl, if you are out there. Keep on keepin on.. You are kicking ass!

Edited April 6, 2017 by Tom-Ass

[Mendez]

1 hour ago, ludurigan said:

you are correct

===

i grew up listening to GNR 1985-1991

then i spent the next decade listening to GNR 1985-1991

to this day i get my dose of GNR listening to GNR 1985-1991

i dont listen to GNR 1992 and 1993 mostly because izzy wasnt there, tracy and roberta and their 9 fucking friends were there, and specially because axl was just on autopilot and sounded really lifeless on those years, specially 1992.

in 1993 he sort of got back to some "good spirits" (and the circus was nowhere to be seen) but it didnt last, did it?

anything after 2001 is REALLY bad specially the horrendous clean voice that axl decided to use. that sounds like utter crap

its unlistenable to me

i know a lot of people of my age that feels the same

to add insult to the injury, axl chose these "extremely talented and hard working people" () to play on his solo band and these people really sound like a lifeless cover band

they play the songs note for note, they add some (very untasteful) notes and it stilll sounds lifeless

its pretty much unbearable to listen to your favorite songs being played by people like bumble-whatever and bucket-shit and dj-crap and i dont even like remembering the name of these people

these people made axl solo band sound completely unlistenable

there is no fun listening to that crap

since the guns and aliens tour started it is obvious that axl improved ((not only vocal wise but apparently he is in good spirits) and he seems to have kinda stopped using the clean (mickey-bee-gees-whatever) voice

but even then so he still sounds bad

with the odd exception of some songs with ac/dc (back in black, thunderstruck, shoot to thrill and maybe a couple more)

and of course songs like easy and brownstone where axl uses his low voice

You ever tried diving into bumble-whatevers and bucket-shits solo material? You might like at least one song.

 

dj-crap's band Sixx:am isn't anything special to me, but I will say that I haven't heard all of their material to form an educated opinion. Although I'm not going to shit all over it just because I don't like it

Edited April 6, 2017 by Mendez