British Politics

[DieselDaisy]

Theresa May's interview was a car crash.

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Ah what's one more car crash at this point. Wait til the economy goes into free fall and the ATMs stop giving out money. The banks are going to close and run to Russia with the money. 

[DieselDaisy]

I'm actually feeling sorry for her which is always a bad sign for a prime minister, i.e., when they are that bad they provoke feelings of sympathy in you. I remember Gordon Brown being in this position. Currently Theresa May is heading for that 'worst prime minister ever' list, consisting as it does of Messrs Lord North, Chamberlain, Eden and Brown - she's not there yet, but she is heading there.

[DieselDaisy]

Apparently the tower survivors were receiving £10 a day to live on until this pay-out!

[Padme]

Round One... and more to come next month

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/eu-uk-art-50-terms-reference_agreed_amends_en.pdf

[DieselDaisy]

Just tell Europe to go fuck themselves and withdraw. Problem sorted.

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In the end though May was just the sucker picking up Cameron's fuck up. Why she made the same mistake as Cameron is beyond me. They need to learn how to stone wall. You're in, just act like you know what you're doing. Maybe there's somekind of unconscious need to have Boris as prime minister. One more election then a hard Brexit, then Trump and Boris can make Dumb and Dumber 4 - Gin and Nukes. 

On 19 June 2017 at 8:07 AM, DieselDaisy said:

Apparently the tower survivors were receiving £10 a day to live on until this pay-out!

That's less than being on the dole with 3 kids? 

[AtariLegend]

On 6/19/2017 at 9:15 PM, Padme said:

Round One... and more to come next month

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/eu-uk-art-50-terms-reference_agreed_amends_en.pdf

Frazzled David Davis guides UK to 3-0 defeat in first round

First the handshakes and generous expressions of goodwill. Not forgetting the obligatory exchange of gifts: a mountaineering book from David Davis to Michel Barnier, a hiking pole from Barnier to Davis. When you’re heading over a cliff, you need all the help you can get. Davis couldn’t have been more charming. The EU was a magnificent institution, the best of the best, and the UK was keen to have the very closest links possible.

Just as it looked as if Davis might be about to have a change of heart and beg Barnier to let us stay after all, the bell rang for the start of the negotiations. The two teams headed off behind closed doors, with Davis exuding all the confidence of a non-league manager up against Barcelona. Several hours later he emerged for the press conference looking decidedly frazzled. His face was hot and sweaty and his hair was a mess. Lucky he’s still got plenty more to pull out.

Barnier, though, appeared remarkably unbothered. The talks had been constructive. He had laid out the EU’s demands on the timetable for the talks and Britain had caved in to all of them. Things couldn’t have got off to a better start.

Once citizens’ rights, the financial settlement and any other issues the EU considered important – don’t call us, we’ll call you – had been more or less agreed in principle, then Barnier might get round to considering the UK’s main concern – its future trading relationship with the EU. “I’m neither optimistic, nor pessimistic,” the EU capo di capi said casually. “I’m determined.” Determined to make life difficult for Davis, while appearing to be helpful. The clock was ticking and he wasn’t bothered how quickly it ran down.

With the UK having gone 3-0 down in the first minute, Davis tried to take a few upsides from the opening day’s talks. There was still plenty to play for, the lads had kept their heads up and had knocked the ball around nicely under the circumstances. The talks had been really useful and he was thrilled with his walking stick.

It had been good that the EU had agreed to the timetable that Britain hadn’t wanted to agree to, and he was looking forward to reaching a deal of some description. He finished by quoting Churchill – or believing he was, as there is no evidence that the great man ever said: “The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity and the optimist sees opportunity in every difficulty.” He forgot to add that the realist sees difficulty in every difficulty.

Davis’s panglossian take began to fall apart when the media were allowed to ask questions. First up was Ireland. Wasn’t it significant that Ireland was relegated to any other business when the UK wanted to make it a priority? Not at all, Davis insisted. The fact that it was under any other business was a sign of just how keen the EU was to resolve the border issues. Barnier just shrugged. “Ireland would require some imaginative solutions,” he said. He couldn’t think what they might be, but if anyone saw some flying pigs …

When ITV’s James Mates pointed out that everything was happening according to the EU timetable and that Britain had already given in to everything the British government had previously insisted was a red line in the negotiations, Davis began to implode. “Everything is exactly the same as before,” he yelled. “We will be leaving the single market and the customs union and the timetable is exactly the one we asked for. Nothing is decided until everything is decided.”

At this point Barnier began to get seriously concerned. His assumption that Davis had understood the real meaning behind the opening pleasantries had clearly been totally mistaken. He had imagined that Davis was bright enough to understand the rules of the game, but now it was looking as if the Brexit minister was simply a bit of an idiot. Davis didn’t even seem to realise he had agreed to making the terms of the financial settlement a priority, as he hadn’t bothered to mention it once despite being repeatedly pressed on it.

Time to spell things out for the halfwit. “We need to remain calm,” Barnier said menacingly. Here was the deal. The EU hadn’t made any concessions because it hadn’t needed to. It was the UK that wanted to leave the EU, not the EU who had wanted to leave the UK. He had warned that there would be trouble if Britain left the EU, and if the Brits were stupid enough to go through with it, then they deserved everything they got. It wasn’t about the EU punishing the UK – it was just that the consequences of leaving the EU would inevitably be punishing.

Just as things were about to turn really nasty, an EU official called the press conference to an end. Barnier smoothed his tie and strode off, having added another goal in injury time.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/19/a-frazzled-david-davis-takes-england-to-a-3-0-defeat-in-the-first-round

Must have broke Diesel's heart yesterday to see the Queen dressed as an EU flag giving a speech she clearly didn't want to.

 

Edited June 22, 2017 by AtariLegend

[AtariLegend]

Dacre pretending the Daily Mail has nothing to do with the Daily Mail online...

[Dazey]

31 minutes ago, AtariLegend said:

Dacre pretending the Daily Mail has nothing to do with the Daily Mail online...

TL;CBATR but I really want to see the cartoon.

[AtariLegend]

Oh and Channel 4 tonight reporting on more illegal Tory election shenanigans at this election!

Edited June 22, 2017 by AtariLegend

[DieselDaisy]

You can tell I've inherited my grandmother's prejudice. Hot looking bird on the train - at least I thought so before seeing she had a ''vote Labour'' sticker on her coat. Disgrace. My grandmother thinks Labour voters and people who watch ITV are ''common' haha.

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But isn't ITV more in line with Tory business. BBC is state power tv, basically the dole of TV. 

[AtariLegend]

7 hours ago, wasted said:

But isn't ITV more in line with Tory business. BBC is state power tv, basically the dole of TV. 

ITV's more neutral politically as far as the news goes than most of the other news stations. I'm not going to comment on the quality of their programming though, but it's not exactly Channel 5 (which used to be owned by the same nutter that ran the Daily Express).

BBC politically is made up of right wing presenters and sporadic left wing presenters with very little middle ground. Hence depending on what you're watching, it feels biased towards the other-side. It's not a good model.

 

Edited June 23, 2017 by AtariLegend

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Just now, AtariLegend said:

ITV's more neutral politically as far as the news goes than most of the other news stations. I'm not going to comment on the quality of their programming though, but it's not exactly Channel 5 (which used to be owned by the same nutter that ran the Daily Express).

BBC politically is made up of right wing presenters and left wing presenters with very little middle ground. Hence depending on what you're watching, it feels biased towards the other-side. It's not a good model.

 

ITV is run as a business though, make shows advertisers want to use. BBC is more like collectivist, we all pay then complain about it, but there's nothing you can do. But ITV if you don't watch they will  have to change the programmes. 

[DieselDaisy]

The BBC have a distinct left-wing bias. Watching their election coverage and the evident glee on the broadcasters' faces one would almost think that it was the Tories and not Labour who had lost a general election, trounced by 55 seats. There was also that television debate which consisted of six lefty candidates and an audience of angry lefties pelting abuse at Amber Rudd and the UKIP chap; never have I seen a more biased charade.

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16 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

The BBC have a distinct left-wing bias. Watching their election coverage and the evident glee on the broadcasters' faces one would almost think that it was the Tories and not Labour who had lost a general election, trounced by 55 seats. There was also that television debate which consisted of six lefty candidates and an audience of angry lefties pelting abuse at Amber Rudd and the UKIP chap; never have I seen a more biased charade.

I remember the Guardian always has all the BBC jobs. I never really met anyone who worked for the BBC who was a Tory. I'd be the tory in that situation. Maybe when you get to the top though it's like Richard Attenborough types. And all the Oxford ponces doing comedy. 

[AtariLegend]

27 minutes ago, wasted said:

I remember the Guardian always has all the BBC jobs. I never really met anyone who worked for the BBC who was a Tory. I'd be the tory in that situation. Maybe when you get to the top though it's like Richard Attenborough types. And all the Oxford ponces doing comedy. 

Andrew Neil, Nick Robinson, Michael Portillo, Andrew Marr and generally most of the people that write for the Spectator work for the BBC ect.

Before you get into Laura Kuenssberg various shenanigans that had the the BBC apologizing to offcom for. One of which was the interview with Corbyn 2 years ago on the 6'o clock news http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38666914 that ended up used in Tory attack adds.

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33 minutes ago, AtariLegend said:

Andrew Neil, Nick Robinson, Michael Portillo, Andrew Marr and generally most of the people that write for the Spectator work for the BBC ect.

Before you get into Laura Kuenssberg various shenanigans that had the the BBC apologizing to offcom for. One of which was the interview with Corbyn 2 years ago on the 6'o clock news http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38666914 that ended up used in Tory attack adds.

I've got Portillos Great Train Journeys on dvd. I'm not saying there's no Tories working at the BBC. Just that at it's core it's basically a commie institution. Not literally but in principle. Whereas ITV is more capitalist. ITV seems more working class but that doesn't translate to Labour. But then Labour in the 90s wasn't like real Labour. 

Edited June 23, 2017 by wasted

[DieselDaisy]

You only have to listen to the people who've worked for the BBC themselves,

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By far the most popular and widely read newspapers at the BBC are The Guardian and The Independent. ­Producers refer to them routinely for the line to take on ­running stories, and for inspiration on which items to cover. In the later stages of my career, I lost count of the number of times I asked a producer for a brief on a story, only to be handed a copy of The Guardian and told ‘it’s all in there’.

–  Peter Sissons, Former BBC News and Current Affairs presenter

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The BBC is “a publicly-funded urban organisation with an abnormally large proportion of younger people, of people in ethnic minorities and almost certainly of gay people, compared with the population at large”.

 

- Andrew Marr

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I absorbed and expressed all the accepted BBC attitudes: hostility to, or at least suspicion of, America, monarchy, government, capitalism, empire, banking and the defence establishment, and in favour of the Health Service, state welfare, the social sciences, the environment and state education. But perhaps our most powerful antagonism was directed at advertising. This is not surprising; commercial television was the biggest threat the BBC had ever had to face.

– Sir Antony Jay, former BBC producer and creator, inter alia, of “Yes, (Prime) Minister”

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“And, in the tone of what we say about America, we have a tendency to scorn and deride. We don’t give America any kind of moral weight in our broadcasts.”

– Justin Webb (pg. 66), Today presenter and former BBC North America editor

 

[DieselDaisy]

3 hours ago, wasted said:

I've got Portillos Great Train Journeys on dvd. I'm not saying there's no Tories working at the BBC. Just that at it's core it's basically a commie institution. Not literally but in principle. Whereas ITV is more capitalist. ITV seems more working class but that doesn't translate to Labour. But then Labour in the 90s wasn't like real Labour. 

You have to remember that the Tories were not really aggressively capitalistic until Thatcherism. Hitherto, the Conservatives tended to be split between One Nationists on the left (e.g., Disraeli, Baldwin, Supermac, Ken Clarke) and the Cornerstone Group to the right, with the Eurosceptics/Europhiles causing a further division. Traditionally the Whigs/Liberals, the original enemy of the Tories, were the party of business, capitalism and 'the city'  - if anything there existed a strong anti-capitalistic tendency in traditional Conservationism. 

 

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8 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

You have to remember that the Tories were not really aggressively capitalistic until Thatcherism. Hitherto, the Conservatives tended to be split between One Nationists on the left (e.g., Disraeli, Baldwin, Supermac, Ken Clarke) and the Cornerstone Group to the right, with the Eurosceptics/Europhiles causing a further division. Traditionally the Whigs/Liberals, the original enemy of the Tories, were the party of business, capitalism and 'the city'  - if anything there existed a strong anti-capitalistic tendency in traditional Conservationism. 

 

So that's why the BBC is more conservative than Liberal or capitalist. I associate conservatives with the right but on the left they can be conservative too. BBC seems like collectivist, everyone pays and gets this set thing. It seems sort of lefty. It's tv of the socialist state. Where's ITV is more populist right wing dictatorship tv. 

[DieselDaisy]

Did you know that the BBC are the largest prosecutor in the UK? There is something vaguely sinister about the mandatory license fee in which one is forced to pay a company he/she might never watch, nor adhere to (its values). I remember those little snooper vans (you do not really see them anymore).

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1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

Did you know that the BBC are the largest prosecutor in the UK? There is something vaguely sinister about the mandatory license fee in which one is forced to pay a company he/she might never watch, nor adhere to (its values). I remember those little snooper vans (you do not really see them anymore).

They used to want a license for every tv in the house. So if you were sharing a house, 4 or 5 people would have to pay. The trick was you were never in your room when they called. I just had rabbit ears aerial so the picture was terrible. Also the on off button didnt work so once I got it on I had to leave it on standby. But I'd still have to pay 100. People complain about iplayer now because they don't give you full access to stuff. 

[AtariLegend]

https://comewheatmay.com