DieselDaisy Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 I think the (youthful) critics of Theresa May want her to be their Thatcher for some reason, possibly because she is a woman. There are a number of problems with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 One is we are out of credit. Thatcher/Blair maxed out the credit card, Cameron borrowed some some loan sharks. May is kind of on the run from gangsters with baseball bat who want to break her legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Corbyn at Glastonbury was about the most sinister political spectacle seen in Britain. It was straight out of the Goebbels handbook of mixing art/entertainment and political propaganda. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 I do not really understand what is happening to this sodden country, I really don't? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4635504/EDL-anti-fascist-groups-square-central-London.html Still there is some humour - even here, What is Gary Neville doing there? Bit hot but I do not think she likes me somehow - I cannot fathom why? Nothing really much to add there haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 I really don't get why people let Neo-Nazis live. They should be wiped off the face of the earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 13 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: Corbyn at Glastonbury was about the most sinister political spectacle seen in Britain. It was straight out of the Goebbels handbook of mixing art/entertainment and political propaganda. Well this is my interpretation and speculation. The way I see it I think it is good that kids have a politician as hero or mentor. I don't like it when kids role models heroes are football players and celebrities. Corbyn's speech was not only setting goals for today but also for the future. 20 years from now those kids will be teachers, lawyers, doctors, etc. Well I think Corbyn meant to pass the torch. The world needs for those kids to care about the environment, education, jobs, NHS, etc not only now but also in the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 13 minutes ago, Padme said: Well this is my interpretation and speculation. The way I see it I think it is good that kids have a politician as hero or mentor. I don't like it when kids role models heroes are football players and celebrities. Corbyn's speech was not only setting goals for today but also for the future. 20 years from now those kids will be teachers, lawyers, doctors, etc. Well I think Corbyn meant to pass the torch. The world needs for those kids to care about the environment, education, jobs, NHS, etc not only now but also in the future. That is all fair and good but none of it is pertinent to what I said. To actually proselytise, and be endorsed - be seen to be endorsed - by a gigantic arts/entertainment event (e.g. Eavis), is very sinister indeed; any student of totalitarian regimes will describe to you the successful ability for non-political but highly influential bulwarks of society, e.g. the arts and entertainment and sports world or the churches, to collaborate with, and harness themselves to, a political ideology/party/person(s) and thus proliferate the politics through influence and monopolising of the media. Besides, what if you hated Corbyn (there must have been one or two in that crowd?) and were left watching a bearded Trot rant on about 'austerity' instead of Liam Gallagher playing 'Wonderwall'? Let me put this to you: a Tory delivers a political speech at say Last Night of the Proms? There would be outrage from the left! The left would be saying exactly what I have just said above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 3 hours ago, Georgy Zhukov said: I really don't get why people let Neo-Nazis live. They should be wiped off the face of the earth. Probably because if you wiped Neo-Nazis off the face of the earth, you'd then be the Nazis (using the term liberally to describe arbitrary totalitarian governments). I have a real hard job calling Neo-Nazis 'Nazis' infact - or even 'fascisti'. More like the chavy football-hooligan off-pourings of Britain's deprived council estates. 'Racists' certainly, but most of them couldn't tell you what bona fide Nazism is (I bet) which did have distinct ideological origins and trends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 They tend to exeggerate neo nazis, but in reality they haven't killed 4 million muslims, that was the US government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 I bet these English groupings like the EDL would be surprised to learn that Muslims served in the Waffen-SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 9 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: I bet these English groupings like the EDL would be surprised to learn that Muslims served in the Waffen-SS. It is more a badge for their racism. It is basically like 8 guys in a basement though, meanwhile these huge militaries are drone bombing the middle east and it's a humanitarian effort to stop terror. It seems like a contradiction to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Horrified to see my local MP (or dinosaur as Caroline Lucas would say) on TV propping up the fucking Tories. You'd think I'd be happy about them having extra money to spend here? See what they've done with public money over the past few years. The cash for ash scam cost the tax payer half a billion on it's own. If these guys had been English, even Murdoch and Dacre would have struggled to defend them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 On 24/06/2017 at 8:51 PM, DieselDaisy said: I do not really understand what is happening to this sodden country, I really don't? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4635504/EDL-anti-fascist-groups-square-central-London.html Still there is some humour - even here, What is Gary Neville doing there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Don't know why the EDL would be getting that much attention when the political wing of these guys is outside downing street giving speeches about the union; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, AtariLegend said: Don't know why the EDL would be getting that much attention when the political wing of these guys is outside downing street giving speeches about the union; They look like little miniature people, like Jawas from Star Wars if they entered the army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 It warms my heart to hear about Jon Snow himself at Glastonbury chanting "Fuck the Tories". Never picked it up before, but Channel 4 has been my preferred evening news for a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 What an absolute idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Ratbrain said: Is this, your posting of this that is, aimed at anyone by any chance haha? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 It's a proper shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 New fishing policy. The thing is this is an agreement from 1964. There was not EU back then. I'm confused http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40471466 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 11 hours ago, Padme said: New fishing policy. The thing is this is an agreement from 1964. There was not EU back then. I'm confused http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40471466 It sounds like European though like Human Rights and will get Daily Express/Mail pensioners jumping for joy. People aren't going to bother reading the figures though either which seem to suggest that this isn't going to make much of a difference to the lives of British fishers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Jon Snow looks like he is pregnant in the above picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I'm completely lost. Can anyone summarise what is going on? feels like there's 2 governments and they both have multiple personalities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 10 hours ago, wasted said: I'm completely lost. Can anyone summarise what is going on? feels like there's 2 governments and they both have multiple personalities. Last year 52% of voters decided to fucked it up for everyone else. They believed in stupid lies from populists and lame ass politicians. Then the incompetent guy who used to be PM just jumped from the sinking boat. In his place there is an incompetent and stupid woman who doesn't have a clue about anything either. She thought that with silly slogans everything was going to be allright. Wrong! She called an election because she was 120% sure her party was going to win with a landslide. Wrong again! The Tories lost seats and she has even less mandate and polularity than before the election. People are against austerity policies. And the current government is doing nothing about it. In the middle of this mess there was a "three hours meeting" between EU negotiators and the UK negotiations team A.K.A. Curly, Larry and Moe. They and the UK ended up with something called reality. Meaning the UK has to pay a divorce bill before the UK can negotiate a new kind a of trade agreement. Later this months there is a second "three hours meeting" Only God knows what's gonna happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 14 minutes ago, Padme said: Last year 52% of voters decided to fucked it up for everyone else. They believed in stupid lies from populists and lame ass politicians. Then the incompetent guy who used to be PM just jumped from the sinking boat. In his place there is an incompetent and stupid woman who doesn't have a clue about anything either. She thought that with silly slogans everything was going to be allright. Wrong! She called an election because she was 120% sure her party was going to win with a landslide. Wrong again! The Tories lost seats and she has even less mandate and polularity than before the election. People are against austerity policies. And the current government is doing nothing about it. In the middle of this mess there was a "three hours meeting" between EU negotiators and the UK negotiations team A.K.A. Curly, Larry and Moe. They and the UK ended up with something called reality. Meaning the UK has to pay a divorce bill before the UK can negotiate a new kind a of trade agreement. Later this months there is a second "three hours meeting" Only God knows what's gonna happen. So hard or soft Brexit is really just a brexit, we just will never get a good deal like they said. And then there's Cornyn who might crash the party, but it's still some sort of brexit. We'll never be a force in the EU. It really did seem like the old folks and generation dole just voted us out. But they were really only voting to help a small group of elite business people. I think what you wrote does clarify the situation. I was lost between all the various forms of brexit and Corbyn shennanigans. It just seems crazy to do brexit then go back to the 70s with Corbyn. I just think we are in denial. We are bankrupt. We don't make anything. We have been paying salaries and welfare with borrowed money for years. But we still think our standard of living is because of our work ethic or superiority. And both parties sell us a right load of bollocks every election. But the noose is getting tighter. Brexit on the surface may have a certain section of the population owning that. But it was probably just old foggies and some weird pride aka denial. I might have speculated too far. I think it's what you said though. It's stable shambles at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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