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5 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

If there is a hell, I'm sure someone like him will be there that's for sure.

i believe in hell, like i believe in heaven. it's the ultimate in justice. children are victim of a suicide bomber? while absolutely abhorrent, i believe the attacker will get his punishment twentyfold in hell. it's what's keeps me going. if this wouldn't exist, there is nothing that would prevent me from going totally insane.

"belief" is somewhat frowned upon these days, but everyone deals with this insanity in his own way. this is my way.

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5 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

They'll be some more attacks tomorrow as tomorrow is Laylat al-Qadr, the night of Muhammad's first revelation.

It'd be nice if someone had revealed to him that blowing yourself up in public is wrong. 

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1 hour ago, Oldest Goat said:

I understand, mate. I wasn't trying to confront you. The only stuff I really take issue with are the vatican, fundamentalists, terrorists, etc. The negative/extreme stuff.

Personally, I don't believe in heaven & hell, in the typical sense at least, but of course I have zero issue with regular individuals like you finding comfort. It would never even occur to me to frown upon that.

no worries, i was talking about society in general. and screw the vatican and all radicals, i'm in the same boat as you on that one.

fundamental concepts of humanity are violated these days. in times like these, people are searching for a reason, an explanation. "the center doesnt hold", someone said. my belief helps me through this. but i dont expect anyone else to think the same way.

and thanks for your understanding mate, it's appreciated.

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4 hours ago, action said:

fundamental concepts of humanity are violated these days. in times like these, people are searching for a reason, an explanation. "the center doesnt hold", someone said. my belief helps me through this. but i dont expect anyone else to think the same way.

 

If you are searching for a reason, it's all about what islamic fundamentalists think and believe, and what they are thinking now.

We assumed it's important for them to like us, that we can co-exist, what Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said was that our traditionnal system, our rights, our social liberties, are all weapons-gifts that Allah placed in our minds, so we can be defeated. They think it's a fatal weakness and that's why they will 'win'. Omar Cheikh said they believe they've been compelled by Allah to purge the world, that the world will be at peace, when there is a muslim caliphate in charge of the entire world, and all the infidels and apostates has either been converted, killed or enslaved, which include any other muslim that doesn't think exactly like they think. (A 2020 muslim caliphate is also something CIA was imagining in 2004) We have people on TV, trying to ratchet up the use of Sharia law, who continue to claim that islam is a religion of peace, but they're telling the truth, but not from our perspective. KSM also said that western society and sharia law cannot coexist because we foolishly believe that we have some say on how their laws should be. When they kill people, its an act of worship, to show how powerful Allah is, by slaughtering people who are hopeless to prevent it, that's not a act of anger, but an act of love for them. KSM said, in essence, they are still mad because of the cruisades.

And what is going on, a number of people making decision about foreign policies without understanding the way they think. It's political correctness, Kalid Sheik Mohammed, and the other senior islamic terrorists would see PC as a force multiplier, because what that does allow them to operate and ratchet up Sharia without being enchallenged because everytime you push back there is this made up, islamophobia (not a phobia), that's something made up by the muslim brotherhood to be able to keep people from saying what is actually occuring. The last US president, Barack Osama said more people die in bathtubs than from terror attacks, he was thinking short term, they are thinking long term. Everyday, a terrorist gets up trying to figure out a better way to deciminate a poison/biological weapons, a better way to get killers into our countries and we're blinding ourselves. The UE and particularly Germany is committing cultural suicide, you don't have to kill your culture by bringing all the islamists in. I'm gonna use a horrible analogy, we're right at the begining stage of a zombie apocalypse, we see a few zombies here and there, but we're not doing what we need to do to fix it, to stop this. Twenty years down the road, it's gonna look more like World War Z. It's already gone so far in Europe, that they gonna have to do things that seem more brutal and more draconian, than what they would have had to do if they were more careful about who they let in.

 

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2 hours ago, Silent Jay said:

 

If you are searching for a reason, it's all about what islamic fundamentalists think and believe, and what they are thinking now.

We assumed it's important for them to like us, that we can co-exist, what Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said was that our traditionnal system, our rights, our social liberties, are all weapons-gifts that Allah placed in our minds, so we can be defeated. They think it's a fatal weakness and that's why they will 'win'. Omar Cheikh said they believe they've been compelled by Allah to purge the world, that the world will be at peace, when there is a muslim caliphate in charge of the entire world, and all the infidels and apostates has either been converted, killed or enslaved, which include any other muslim that doesn't think exactly like they think. (A 2020 muslim caliphate is also something CIA was imagining in 2004) We have people on TV, trying to ratchet up the use of Sharia law, who continue to claim that islam is a religion of peace, but they're telling the truth, but not from our perspective. KSM also said that western society and sharia law cannot coexist because we foolishly believe that we have some say on how their laws should be. When they kill people, its an act of worship, to show how powerful Allah is, by slaughtering people who are hopeless to prevent it, that's not a act of anger, but an act of love for them. KSM said, in essence, they are still mad because of the cruisades.

And what is going on, a number of people making decision about foreign policies without understanding the way they think. It's political correctness, Kalid Sheik Mohammed, and the other senior islamic terrorists would see PC as a force multiplier, because what that does allow them to operate and ratchet up Sharia without being enchallenged because everytime you push back there is this made up, islamophobia (not a phobia), that's something made up by the muslim brotherhood to be able to keep people from saying what is actually occuring. The last US president, Barack Osama said more people die in bathtubs than from terror attacks, he was thinking short term, they are thinking long term. Everyday, a terrorist gets up trying to figure out a better way to deciminate a poison/biological weapons, a better way to get killers into our countries and we're blinding ourselves. The UE and particularly Germany is committing cultural suicide, you don't have to kill your culture by bringing all the islamists in. I'm gonna use a horrible analogy, we're right at the begining stage of a zombie apocalypse, we see a few zombies here and there, but we're not doing what we need to do to fix it, to stop this. Twenty years down the road, it's gonna look more like World War Z. It's already gone so far in Europe, that they gonna have to do things that seem more brutal and more draconian, than what they would have had to do if they were more careful about who they let in.

 

i'm not really busy considering how to please certain groups of people, i'm a busy man as it is.

my belief is, we're all born equal and if you kill people, you go to hell where judgment awaits you.

i'm very cautious not to get too involved in searching for "the guilty one". "judge not, lest you be judged in the same way". it basically means, i dont care. if they want to blow themselves up, that's their responsability. life is short and who knows what's in the afterworld? justice will be done, but i dont see much justice here on earth, if any.

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47 minutes ago, action said:

i'm not really busy considering how to please certain groups of people, i'm a busy man as it is.

my belief is, we're all born equal and if you kill people, you go to hell where judgment awaits you.

i'm very cautious not to get too involved in searching for "the guilty one". "judge not, lest you be judged in the same way". it basically means, i dont care. if they want to blow themselves up, that's their responsability. life is short and who knows what's in the afterworld? justice will be done, but i dont see much justice here on earth, if any.

great post!

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45 minutes ago, action said:

i'm not really busy considering how to please certain groups of people, i'm a busy man as it is.

my belief is, we're all born equal and if you kill people, you go to hell where judgment awaits you.

i'm very cautious not to get too involved in searching for "the guilty one". "judge not, lest you be judged in the same way". it basically means, i dont care. if they want to blow themselves up, that's their responsability. life is short and who knows what's in the afterworld? justice will be done, but i dont see much justice here on earth, if any.

It's a conscious decision, not to see the forest for the trees. Basically you won't be able to recognize your enemy, not even fight back. So in a way, if you don't care, you letting your enemy detroys you, and everything you cared for. This indifference is actually helping them.

Know the enemy and know yourself, so you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

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On 21.6.2017 at 6:15 PM, Silent Jay said:

 We have people on TV, trying to ratchet up the use of Sharia law, who continue to claim that islam is a religion of peace, but they're telling the truth, but not from our perspective.

It still is to me, those attacks are comitted only by people which aren't true Muslims to me since they don't believe in one of the core philosophies of Islam.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4638994/ISIS-commanders-killed-one-group-s-suicide-bombers.html

ISIS commanders have been killed after one of the group's suicide bombers blew himself up at a meeting following the terrorists' collapse in Mosul.

There have been 80 suicide bombings by ISIS in the past four days, according to the BBC, and with the terror group facing extinction in Mosul, it appears their motive has now turned to taking as many casualties as they can with them.

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"ISIS terrorists burned one of its own child jihadis after he refused to kill his family.
The boy, who was part of the Cubs of the Caliphate, was killed in the area of Mutaibaija near Tikrit.
A local source in Salahuddin Province told Alsumaria News the desperate jihadis had taken to attacking their own families if they did not approve of ISIS' radical ideologies. 
The Cubs of the Caliphate was formed to recruit children to be used as suicide bombers."

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Meanwhile in Germany....
A court in Germany has authorized a group of self-appointed Sharia police to continue enforcing Islamic law in the city of Wuppertal. The law they were cleared of vioilating outlaws uniforms that are threatening, such as those of Hitler's brownshirts.

The issue has been brewing ever since 2014, when German politicians reacted strongly to reports of young Salafists conducting nightly "Sharia police" patrols in the city, ordering people to stop various activities, according to the International Business Times.

The men were photographed wearing orange hi-visibility jackets emblazoned with the words "Sharia police" on the back.

They reportedly approached passersby near nightclubs and gambling houses to deter them from un-islamic activities such as drinking alcohol and gambling.

Ministers in Angela Merkel's coalition have denounced the actions and said that Germany would not tolerate such Sharia activity.

 

Sharia patrols have been seen in other European cities including London, Copenhagen and Hamburg.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/231786

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16 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

Meanwhile in Germany....
A court in Germany has authorized a group of self-appointed Sharia police to continue enforcing Islamic law in the city of Wuppertal. The law they were cleared of vioilating outlaws uniforms that are threatening, such as those of Hitler's brownshirts.

The issue has been brewing ever since 2014, when German politicians reacted strongly to reports of young Salafists conducting nightly "Sharia police" patrols in the city, ordering people to stop various activities, according to the International Business Times.

The men were photographed wearing orange hi-visibility jackets emblazoned with the words "Sharia police" on the back.

They reportedly approached passersby near nightclubs and gambling houses to deter them from un-islamic activities such as drinking alcohol and gambling.

Ministers in Angela Merkel's coalition have denounced the actions and said that Germany would not tolerate such Sharia activity.

 

Sharia patrols have been seen in other European cities including London, Copenhagen and Hamburg.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/231786

sharia police equals the brown shirts of the nazi regime. one in the same in their racist, extremist line of thoughts, except for the underlying ideology.

i'll make up my own mind about this. if things are getting to extreme in the future with this "sharia police" telling me what to drink, what to do, then i'm the fuck outta here. "where", that will be a problem to solve another day

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23 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

Meanwhile in Germany....
A court in Germany has authorized a group of self-appointed Sharia police to continue enforcing Islamic law in the city of Wuppertal. The law they were cleared of vioilating outlaws uniforms that are threatening, such as those of Hitler's brownshirts.

The issue has been brewing ever since 2014, when German politicians reacted strongly to reports of young Salafists conducting nightly "Sharia police" patrols in the city, ordering people to stop various activities, according to the International Business Times.

The men were photographed wearing orange hi-visibility jackets emblazoned with the words "Sharia police" on the back.

They reportedly approached passersby near nightclubs and gambling houses to deter them from un-islamic activities such as drinking alcohol and gambling.

Ministers in Angela Merkel's coalition have denounced the actions and said that Germany would not tolerate such Sharia activity.

 

Sharia patrols have been seen in other European cities including London, Copenhagen and Hamburg.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/231786

Sounds fishy to me. "Authorized [...] to continue enforcing Sharia laws", really? Even if it conflicts with German law? Surely not. I suppose they, like many other groups in Western society (like the Norwegian "Natteravnene") have been allowed to continue their practise of walking streets at night and talking to people. There is no law against that. Even if their mission is to make people follow islamic religious laws and traditions. And even if they wear identical clothes (=uniforms). I could join up with a bunch of line-minded guys, don some matching clothes, and started walking the streets trying to convince people about whatever I want. As long as I don't break any national laws (like harrasment, violence, etc), then I am free to do that. I am sure that the court in Germany has just similarly upheld these muslims right to do the same. Or is the point that they have received immunity from German Law and are free to set that aside when it contradicts Sharia Law. Again, surely not. This sounds to me like pure demagogery.

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Here's an article from a newssource I find more trusty: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35059488

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A German court has ruled that Islamists who patrolled a city's streets as "Sharia police" did not break the law and will not be prosecuted.

Nine were arrested in September 2014 after patrolling streets in Wuppertal, western Germany. They wore bright orange jackets with the words "Sharia police". They told passers-by not to frequent discos, casinos or bars.

The court said they had not violated laws on uniforms and public gatherings.

So the court declared they had not broken the law. They just did what everyone else is allowed to do, as per German Law. And unless you think these muslims should be denied a right that you and I have, then you can't really disagree with the verdict.

I am as opposed to fundamental islamism as anyone. Just like I am opposed to any irrational beliefs, especially when they cause harm to others. But fighting them by denying their followers a right other people have, or by restricting fundamental rights on freedom to speech and religious freedom, is, in my humble opinion, the wrong way to go and will only escalate friction. Everybody is equal before the law. And if we start dismantling the pillars of our free democracies when we are opposed, then I don't know if they are worth defending anymore.

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