GnR Chris Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Kasanova King said: Smh...stop with the semantics already. The classic 5 lineup is as original as GN'R gets....just because they had some rift raft lineup calling themselves GN'R for a few short months back in the mid 80's doesn't mean it was GN'R. Even the band themselves will tell you they really didn't become GN'R and a real band until they made that road trip together. So calling that early incarnation of a band "original" is even less authentic than calling New GN'R the original band....so please stop with the nonsense already. It isn't semantics though. Axl and Izzy are original members. They founded the band. It was named before Duff, Slash and Adler came on board. There are band photos and they even played live together. It doesn't matter if Duff and Slash have called themselves original members in the past. That doesn't make it true. Those two said a lot of things after they left GNR, and a lot of it was false. Like the entire fiasco over signing over the rights to the name under duress prior to a show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Riggs Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, GnR Chris said: It isn't semantics though. Axl and Izzy are original members. They founded the band. It was named before Duff, Slash and Adler came on board. There are band photos and they even played live together. It doesn't matter if Duff and Slash have called themselves original members in the past. That doesn't make it true. Those two said a lot of things after they left GNR, and a lot of it was false. Like the entire fiasco over signing over the rights to the name under duress prior to a show. Did that group of guys release anything at all? Professionally record anything? Play anywhere outside of LA County? Anywhere outside of California? Did they have a logo? Was their name even trademarked? Was there a written contract legally forming said band? Just curious as to why Slash and Duff would years later have to sign over their rights to the band's name if they weren't part of its founding. If they weren't founders they must've had some great negotiation skills and foresight to get an equal share of the name with people that did found it. Pretty remarkable business acumen considering their substance intake and age at the time. Edited June 24, 2017 by Martin Riggs 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scumcat Esq. Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 On 21.06.2017 at 0:54 PM, Gibbo said: Howard 101 did Soundgarden a few years back and the sound quality was perfect Okay, Houston, we've had a problem here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnR Chris Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Martin Riggs said: Did that group of guys release anything at all? Professionally record anything? Play anywhere outside of LA County? Anywhere outside of California? Did they have a logo? Was their name even trademarked? Was there a written contract legally forming said band? Just curious as to why Slash and Duff would years later have to sign over their rights to the band's name if they weren't part of its founding. If they weren't founders they must've had some great negotiation skills and foresight to get an equal share of the name with people that did found it. Pretty remarkable business acumen considering their substance intake and age at the time. See here: http://gnrontour.com/setlistalm85.htm for links to flyers and the lineup at the time. Getting a record deal and legalizing everything doesn't mean it didn't exist prior. People will always associate the classic lineup, and to some extent Sorum and Dizzy to the "real" GNR or the definitive lineup. Because those are the guys who made the band who they are. I recognize that. And for a long time I considered the AfD lineup as the "real" GNR. But I've softened that stance. The "real" GNR is the current lineup. MY preferred GNR will always be the five guys on AfD. Edited June 24, 2017 by GnR Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RONIN Posted June 24, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, GnR Chris said: See here: http://gnrontour.com/setlistalm85.htm for links to flyers and the lineup at the time. Getting a record deal and legalizing everything doesn't mean it didn't exist prior. People will always associate the classic lineup, and to some extent Sorum and Dizzy to the "real" GNR or the definitive lineup. Because those are the guys who made the band who they are. I recognize that. And for a long time I considered the AfD lineup as the "real" GNR. But I've softened that stance. The "real" GNR is the current lineup. MY preferred GNR will always be the five guys on AfD. Well, as long as you acknowledge that it's just like, your opinion, man. None of the principals (Axl, Izzy, or Tracii) consider the Ole/Tracii lineup to be the original band since they were all playing musical chairs and joining many different bands month after month. Axl softened his stance when he struggled to legitimize NU Guns, but even as recently as his last online chat, he mentions that Tracii didn't have anything to contribute aside from the name and even that association is diminished by Axl's explanation of the GnR name. Tracii literally has said in every interview he's done that his time in GnR was completely forgettable and that he was part of a ton of other band lineups during this time. If the actual principals don't consider that iteration of the band to be in any way Guns N' Roses, it seems very strange that a certain contingent of fans would keep dredging this semantical argument up from the swamp unless it's to support a spurious agenda. There's also the very real fact that none of what you say has any legal basis whatsoever as Justanurchin has pointed out in his post. You have a few flyers made during the two or so months that Ole/Tracii were in the band. Do we know how many people tried out for the band during this time and were in it for a day or two? Let's not forget those important Guns N' Roses members either. Meanwhile, only 5 guys are on the contract signed w/ Geffen. Tom Zutaut was only interested in 5 guys, the same guys who made AFD. So for all legal purposes, the AFD lineup are Guns N' Roses. This is a topic that has been beaten to death on this forum for the last 15 years and has only served as a transparent excuse for certain Axl fanboys to undermine the legitimacy of Slash, Duff, and Adler. The irony is, now that Izzy is on Axl's bad side, none of these Axl fans, who love to bring up this Ole/Tracii lineup, seem to care about the so-called original co-founder Izzy Stradlin rejoining his band. Funny how that works. Izzy was so important as the co-founder of the band during the nu-guns years for these Axl fans who felt he was the only one with a legitimate claim to GNR aside from Axl - yet now, he's totally expendable because we have the awesome talent of Fortus, the former Rihanna/Britney session guitarist. A lot of the Axl fans are running for cover since this reunion was first announced - not surprised to see this Ole Beich shtick pop up whenever they get triggered. Edited June 25, 2017 by RONIN 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 1 hour ago, AslatIE said: Thank you for clear my post ☺ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cantona Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Ratam said: Thank you for clear my post ☺ My pleasure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Riggs Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, GnR Chris said: See here: http://gnrontour.com/setlistalm85.htm for links to flyers and the lineup at the time. So the answer to all of my questions is no. (Edit: Well technically I was off on one thing...one of that group's shows during its month long existence as a live band took place in Anaheim which is in Orange County) Slash, Duff and Steven were equal partners when GNR became an official & legally recognized name and entity. Another term for that is a founding member. To say otherwise when talking about a professional band in Los Angeles, CA trying to make it big is not only incorrect but purposefully idiotic imo. Edited June 24, 2017 by Martin Riggs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychoKiss344 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 So what is the purpose of this show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsinindy Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 2 hours ago, PsychoKiss344 said: So what is the purpose of this show? None really, just a promo show for Sirius. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holographic Universe Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 1 hour ago, tsinindy said: None really, just a promo show for Sirius. I wonder if GNR Lies had been released during the internet era of the band would be allowed to play this venue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXL_N_DIZZY Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 2 hours ago, tsinindy said: None really, just a promo show for Sirius. That- and the historic nature of the venue adds a little extra "juice" too (IMHO). I had been wanting Guns to do something like this ever since acts like Neil Young, etc. played Carnegie Hall a few years back. Nice "feather in the cap" to play the Apollo IMHO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Martin Riggs said: So the answer to all of my questions is no. (Edit: Well technically I was off on one thing...one of that group's shows during its month long existence as a live band took place in Anaheim which is in Orange County) Slash, Duff and Steven were equal partners when GNR became an official & legally recognized name and entity. Another term for that is a founding member. To say otherwise when talking about a professional band in Los Angeles, CA trying to make it big is not only incorrect but purposefully idiotic imo. I noticed some verbiage in the original NITL promos where they describe Axl as the founder and Slash/Duff as original members. Who knows if the wordplay has any legal significance or if Duff/Slash approved it just to help the redhead save face after agreeing to the reunion. Edited June 25, 2017 by RONIN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonizedmind Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 The last time... My god, Axl must of been merry as fuck, the amount Howard was trying to flirt it up with Erin! He's punched dudes for much less.... It's a pretty hilarious call in, would be amazing if the "difficult negotiations" was more down to the fact of securing an interview ! Do we think, any chance? It is a special birthday, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stizzy Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 On 6/21/2017 at 8:15 AM, Silent Jay said: What was on this video, please? It no longer plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Any word as to how how Nightrain members are supposed to be able to get a crack at tickets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stizzy Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 17 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said: Any word as to how how Nightrain members are supposed to be able to get a crack at tickets? Been wondering that myself. Also, does anyone think there is a chance that the Sirius show is scheduled for 20th because they will do a AFD 30 show on 21st in LA with Steven + Izzy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 23 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said: Any word as to how how Nightrain members are supposed to be able to get a crack at tickets? I was still trying to find something out for you on that and haven't heard anything :/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, Stizzy said: Been wondering that myself. Also, does anyone think there is a chance that the Sirius show is scheduled for 20th because they will do a AFD 30 show on 21st in LA with Steven + Izzy? Who knows with them.. This could be a 30th anniversary show either way.. At a small indoor venue like this in New York they may not even come on stage until midnight which would be the 21st. Just now, RussTCB said: I was still trying to find something out for you on that and haven't heard anything :/ I'm baaaack Arrived home safe and sound late Sunday night.. Thanks for looking out homie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holographic Universe Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 On 6/24/2017 at 2:57 PM, GnR Chris said: It isn't semantics though. Axl and Izzy are original members. They founded the band. It was named before Duff, Slash and Adler came on board. There are band photos and they even played live together. It doesn't matter if Duff and Slash have called themselves original members in the past. That doesn't make it true. Those two said a lot of things after they left GNR, and a lot of it was false. Like the entire fiasco over signing over the rights to the name under duress prior to a show. Did Axl and Izzy play as GNR with tracii guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 On 24.6.2017 at 9:47 PM, GnR Chris said: See here: http://gnrontour.com/setlistalm85.htm for links to flyers and the lineup at the time. Getting a record deal and legalizing everything doesn't mean it didn't exist prior. People will always associate the classic lineup, and to some extent Sorum and Dizzy to the "real" GNR or the definitive lineup. Because those are the guys who made the band who they are. I recognize that. And for a long time I considered the AfD lineup as the "real" GNR. But I've softened that stance. The "real" GNR is the current lineup. MY preferred GNR will always be the five guys on AfD. Basically they were bitchin' around with band members and band names at the time. That's nothing new. Slash even joined and leaved the band before they come into line with the name. Just because he and Steven joined the band a month later again and the band choose to keep the name, doesn't make them less of original members. Guns N Roses were the five guys that lasts longer than that period. They were looking for the right people and the right name till they found each other. That's when GNR was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stizzy Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Tom-Ass said: Who knows with them.. This could be a 30th anniversary show either way.. At a small indoor venue like this in New York they may not even come on stage until midnight which would be the 21st. I'm baaaack Arrived home safe and sound late Sunday night.. Thanks for looking out homie Oh, dear! I never thought of that! Thank you, Tom! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 3 hours ago, Tom-Ass said: Who knows with them.. This could be a 30th anniversary show either way.. At a small indoor venue like this in New York they may not even come on stage until midnight which would be the 21st. Now that's a thought. They come out at midnight, play AFD from A to Z....(little over 1 hour show) Now making that a private show would sort of make sense.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Jay Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 13 hours ago, Stizzy said: What was on this video, please? It no longer plays. The Howard Stern radio segment, he and Robin talk GnR and the show for half a hour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 10 hours ago, Kasanova King said: Now that's a thought. They come out at midnight, play AFD from A to Z....(little over 1 hour show) Now making that a private show would sort of make sense.... That's my guess for this; they're gonna play AFD front to back, then probably do it every so often on the NA after that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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