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11 hours ago, Tom-Ass said:

For decades I have I wanted a Guns N' Roses reunion more than anything else in music.. I have enjoyed this for what it is and will continue to go to shows as long as Slash and Duff are in the band, but if they disband after this tour I really wouldn't care too much.. There have been amazing elements to the reunion  but they aren't as good as they could be and should be.. I just can't buy into Frank, Melissa, Fortus, the disappointing ticket prices and the continued focus on CD songs. 

The classic lineups built up an amazing legacy releasing only about 60 studio tracks and one live album. I just wouldn't want them to dilute that.

The focus on CD songs ... three songs in a two-and-a-half-hour-plus set? Ha!

People here are too concerned with legacy in regards to GNR releasing a record that might not live up to the impossible expectations. Did Michael Jordan ruin his legacy when he played for the Wizards? No, of course not. Nothing GNR does now will tarnish Appetite for Destruction. People thought a GNR record without Slash would do that, but it didn't.

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@JustanUrchin

In your opinion,

Do the current entities involved in the NITL tour have the pull to present options beyond the NITL tour, (have they/will they?) and do you believe all three of the S/D/A p'ship are willing to hear all options that go beyond the NITL tour?

Secondly, is the hesitancy to "bring back" the AFD5 simply an issue of the S/D/A p'ship('s) unwillingness to split the loot equally through the NITL Tour. I would assume there is more financial profitability with a studio recording involving AFD5 (and the subsequent tour,merch,licensing, etc.) versus  Chinese Democracy Redux... and if this is a part of the holdup, is it fair to assume the usual culprit(s)? 

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Timing would be perfect to launch a new Not in this lifetime (greatest hits) album & DVD. I'm sure they'll do something of sorts be the end of the year (and tour).

As far as new music, new live songs, I'm not expecting much really, it seems that Axl is no that passionate anymore about music and performing these days, more focused on playing it safe and pilling up the millions (and the pounds)... Oh well...

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2 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

Geez. There is plenty of footage, small tidbits that suggests that things are very well between them, like this:

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They are not going to gaze into each others eyes for 2 hours. They have a show to play.

Obviously, with Angus it's different, as he is not a colleague, but an Idol. Axl is a fan.

100%, this theme for me is very depressive ??

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3 hours ago, GnR Chris said:

The focus on CD songs ... three songs in a two-and-a-half-hour-plus set? Ha!

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Sometimes four CD songs while playing zero songs from LIES. Often having one in the encore where they have no place.  Also seems to be the only new songs the band learns to play to shake things up a bit are CD songs. It was the combination of that and other factors that made up my point. There are enough factors that if they hung it up I would be happy that I got to see Slash, Axl and Duff but I wouldn't be devastated due to the fact that there are as many underwhelming and shallow aspects to this reunion as there are amazing aspects.

Either way I am riding the wave too, but there are just factors that keeps the reunion from being as amazing as should be.  

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17 minutes ago, Marie82 said:

More NITL touring, back to AXL/DC with probably new music from them and then more touring. 

NITL can go on forever, they're killing on stage, getting along, no drama...everything has been on point.

 

True but after having seen UYI gigs then new Gn'R and finally the NITL gig, I cannot see that Axl is that passionate anymore about Gn'R. He seemed to me much more into the AXL/DC gig to be honest, both physically and especially vocally. 

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As far as new music, new live songs, I'm not expecting much really, it seems that Axl is no that passionate anymore about music and performing these days, more focused on playing it safe and pilling up the millions (and the pounds)... Oh well...

 

26 minutes ago, trqster said:

 

True but after having seen UYI gigs then new Gn'R and finally the NITL gig, I cannot see that Axl is that passionate anymore about Gn'R. He seemed to me much more into the AXL/DC gig to be honest, both physically and especially vocally. 

You saw two concerts and some footage from AXL/DC and are declaring that Axl is no longer passionate about the music or performing? 

The members of this forum ?

If AXL/DC runs its course and GNR goes no further than NITL (or eventually runs its course) I can only see Axl solo performing under his name and maybe even releasing music that way. This is my SPECULATION. 

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44 minutes ago, ramsey said:

 

You saw two concerts and some footage from AXL/DC and are declaring that Axl is no longer passionate about the music or performing? 

The members of this forum ?

If AXL/DC runs its course and GNR goes no further than NITL (or eventually runs its course) I can only see Axl solo performing under his name and maybe even releasing music that way. This is my SPECULATION. 

I've seen two LIVE concerts from AXL/DC & NITLT tours and I still can recall quite clearly the new Gn'R era two concerts too that I attended in '06 and '10. I'm entitled to my opinion but btw where do you see Axl legendary grit, improvising (even the setlist) and just interacting much with Duff or Slash on stage these days...? 

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1 hour ago, trqster said:

I've seen two LIVE concerts from AXL/DC & NITLT tours and I still can recall quite clearly the new Gn'R era two concerts too that I attended in '06 and '10. I'm entitled to my opinion but btw where do you see Axl legendary grit, improvising (even the setlist) and just interacting much with Duff or Slash on stage these days...? 

I think it's absurd to extrapolate all of your conclusions based off seeing four shows

None of us know what's actually going on. I'm just grateful that it's happening despite the imperfections

Fernando posted an insta story of him today flying solo to NYC. the day of a show.. Caption "quick trip to nyc"

THAT is much more indicative of things happening to me than any fan's interpretation of a show 

i wish people on this forum would be less emotional and more strategic in their analysis and information gathering...

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On 26 juni 2017 at 10:36 PM, ericy210 said:

Are you 12?  Slash and Axl dislike each other because of what they do onstage?  Perhaps they're just focused on performing.  

Dude, have you picked up a hip hop record recently?  

What a hostile environment. I guess it's your denial of seeing the truth that GnR will never ever release a record again. But at least Slash and Axl are great friends again and this tour is by no means a cash grab. Anyways go see them now, this might be the last chance. 

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What's sad is, Axl seems to operate as if he has all the time in the world, but in reality, time is of the essence cuz none of them are getting any younger. 

When he was 35, he could take his sweet time, but almost twenty years have passed since the beginning of the CD sessions, and he no longer has that luxury. If he seriously wants to put out another Guns record, then judging by how long it takes him to finish what he starts, then he better get recording yesterday if he wants it to be out before he's 60. 

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1 minute ago, Towelie said:

What's sad is, Axl seems to operate as if he has all the time in the world, but in reality, time is of the essence cuz none of them are getting any younger. 

When he was 35, he could take his sweet time, but almost twenty years have passed since the beginning of the CD sessions, and he no longer has that luxury. If he seriously wants to put out another Guns record, then judging by how long it takes him to finish what he starts, then he better get recording yesterday if he wants it to be out before he's 60. 

That's the big mystery of it all. How does he feel about it himself? Because he has only himself to blame.

I read the other day that the Foo Fighters are releasing their 9th album in a few months. Their first album was released in 1995. Four years after UYI. Since then Dave Grohl released 9 albums with his band and several albums with other projects and bands he's been a part of. Axl released one album in that time. It's such a waste of time and he never gets that back.

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12 minutes ago, EvanG said:

That's the big mystery of it all. How does he feel about it himself? Because he has only himself to blame.

I read the other day that the Foo Fighters are releasing their 9th album in a few months. Their first album was released in 1995. Four years after UYI. Since then Dave Grohl released 9 albums with his band and several albums with other projects and bands he's been a part of. Axl released one album in that time. It's such a waste of time and he never gets that back.

I don't think he really cares. 

Axl is a master of procrastination. Why else would he have toured virtually the same setlist since 2009? I think he only agreed to the reunion because NuGuns had exhausted every possible market, and were unlikely to keep selling out arenas without new material. So when faced at the crossroads of whether to put out another record with NuGuns or give Slash a call so he can carry on aimlessly touring, he picks the latter, such is his reticence to record and release new music.

 He seems to think every album has to be this sprawling epic magnum opus, instead of just making a solid rock album with the best he has to offer. 

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On ‎6‎/‎27‎/‎2017 at 9:48 AM, FuriousStyles said:

@JustanUrchin

In your opinion,

Do the current entities involved in the NITL tour have the pull to present options beyond the NITL tour, (have they/will they?) and do you believe all three of the S/D/A p'ship are willing to hear all options that go beyond the NITL tour?

Secondly, is the hesitancy to "bring back" the AFD5 simply an issue of the S/D/A p'ship('s) unwillingness to split the loot equally through the NITL Tour. I would assume there is more financial profitability with a studio recording involving AFD5 (and the subsequent tour,merch,licensing, etc.) versus  Chinese Democracy Redux... and if this is a part of the holdup, is it fair to assume the usual culprit(s)? 

These questions are making me sweat!  A prime offering of why Gn’R fans were and are badass.  You should’ve been front n’ center at the China Exchange.  I’m hesitant to answer—I don’t want a failing grade!

But here goes.  The legal facts are inescapable.  Slash and Duff, as Remaining Original Partners, boxed the singer in from NYD ’96 (when the singer quit Original Gn’R to form his solo “new band” and register a “new p’ship”) until ’14 when he came crawling back to them to seek approval to license his cover/solo band’s Vegas DVD.  What Slash n’ Duff fail to disclose in their accounts (and legal pleadings reigning the singer in), is that while the singer lied about the timing of the MOU in which he pirated the trademark, they BOTH failed to bring colorable action before the four-year statute of limitations in California had run.  They would’ve had to bring suit in ’96 since the MOU was signed in ’92 (even though Axl indisputably lied in his “open letter” about the timing of when he presented the MOU).  Since ’98, however, both Slash and Duff, with clear heads, have been an inseparable rock legally.  They controlled Original Gn’R’s sole asset—the back catalogue—while they were winning Grammies, and never wavered to Axl’s solo Gn’R (licensing, merch, synch, and so on).  It was a stalemate.  Axl controlled the trademark, as Leaving Partner, but failed to capitalize on it to the extent of late-night talk show mockery.  What’s a control freak with trademark in tow without the guitarist that made him famous?  That’s not rhetorical—what’s the trademark Coca-Cola without the recipe?

It likely seems that I’m avoiding your insightful questions, but stick with me.  My forte is more identifying and translating legal fact and pleadings to root out myth, revisionism, and contrarianism so that we can all get to a common understanding given the singer’s (and his live-ins) indisputable revisionism and litigiousness.  If I offer opinion based upon the legal pleadings and recent, relevant legal facts coupled with my own observations, it’s bound to be unpopular.  And right quick.

But if there’s ever a time, it’s on the eve of AFD 30 while the negotiation pokers are likely in the fire.  Eyes are on this board, after all—the tail wags the dog, particularly in light of the monstrosity, conglomerate LN culling its data and the hypersensitivities of the singer to insight drawn from fact.  Here goes:

The singer is coasting along, happy as a pig in shit that Slash is carrying/owning the show to the masses in sold-out stadiums world-wide, and is high as a kite on, what appears to me, to be a cocktail of psychotropic meds given his blunted affect at CE and Globo.  He capitulated to Remaining Original Gn’R Partners Slash and Duff for a payday assuredly now into the tens of millions, and for peace of mind.  He is now adored the world over for simply showing up on time (even though as a result of a coercive division of loss term), lazying out a Barry Gibb falsetto, and flashing a shit-eating grin for the opposite gender (“oh, look how happy this ‘most dangerous’ singer is”).  But he’s dumber than a box of rocks, a Jim Jones recruit-type lackey, and is now grandfather age.  He has the mind of a child, and his raging live-ins make Elvis’ posse look legit.  After being beaten down by Slash and Duff to the point that he couldn’t pay his umpteenth “keyboardist” to infringe upon copyrighted what-have-you German ambient noise, he is the quintessential sellout. 

LiveNation.  LN, and its insurers, run the show.  Second only to Slash and Duff’s separate counsel and (professional) management.  Forget about the stamped tail of the jet—this is a data culling conglomerate with more subsidiaries than I have hairs on my head.  Great that they’ve stifled the singer’s bully live-ins and professionally sell the tour, but it’s “diversity” first.  Adler’s fourth replacement looks like more of the world than Adler himself—Adler (God love him) is a super-minority Jew that looks like a “white” Californian.  The second what-have-you on “keys” looks like more of the world than the what-have-you before her (some guy with a towel or whatever?) .  And, bonus! she’s female.  We’ve gotta sell Asia, south of America, and the Mid-East.  Not many folks look like Adler in any of those places, as I can attest to, as having travelled to all.

Duff Money has been a financial consultant and (successful) writer longer than he was ever recording and performing for Original Gn’R.   This multi-millionaire (on investments alone) is so far removed from reality that he is an open socialist bathing in capitalism.   Mr. Punk Rock/HR Man sent Adler to the sidelines due to injury.  Duff Money, to me, is the disgusting party in this grab.

Izzy got out while the getting was good.  By offering his equity share (that was gobbled up by S/D/A) he avoided all legal liability and drawing from his capital account resulting from the singer’s assholery and criminal acts while still maintaining his juicy cut of the publishing royalties.  Mind you, Remaining Partners Slash and Duff were eating the singer’s “recording” indulgence until 1998 from the singer’s SOLO BAND.  And, to my memory, Izzy wasn’t necessarily a tight guitarist live—that’s the kind of shit that matters today, a 50+ year-old guitarist with no known riffs in the rock community who has made a living playing Izzy’s chords better than Izzy and picking in and around Slash as Izzy once did.  He’s none too happy, as the record shows.  “Stuck in the Middle,” “F.P. Money” with Adler’s first/metal replacement, and the “bullshit” reply to the singer’s, well, bullshit (as Duff Money sat in complicity).

Slash is the perpetual busy body—hence the nickname.  He, more than anyone else, knows that the singer can no longer bring it (live, anyhow).  Despite once being an unprincipled thief and dope fiend, he is rock defined.  That motherfucker can raise the dead with his tone alone.  But he’s bored as fuck with this S/D/A reunion.  This man holds the keys to your new music.  He is not going to work up the singer’s shitfest of material that the singer alluded to at the CE—it’s one of the primary reasons he didn’t cowtail on to the singer’s solo band to begin with.

The insightful questions, then, come back your way.   Sure, recordings are profitable—ask the likes of “Jay-Z.”  To say that it just isn’t so is just another form of Axl apologism.  Slash will lay down his tracks in days or weeks.  But to what?

But then there’s Adler.  He’s my bellwether.  Silence is as silence does.

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8 minutes ago, JustanUrchin said:

Slash is the perpetual busy body—hence the nickname.  He, more than anyone else, knows that the singer can no longer bring it (live, anyhow).  Despite once being an unprincipled thief and dope fiend, he is rock defined.  That motherfucker can raise the dead with his tone alone.  But he’s bored as fuck with this S/D/A reunion.  This man holds the keys to your new music.  He is not going to work up the singer’s shitfest of material that the singer alluded to at the CE—it’s one of the primary reasons he didn’t cowtail on to the singer’s solo band to begin with.

But yet he has no qualms playing licks over the singer's solo material every night live? 

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1 hour ago, Towelie said:

But yet he has no qualms playing licks over the singer's solo material every night live? 

 

26 minutes ago, ramsey said:

You over complicating your way of writing to try to come off as intellectual. Of all the people in this forum you might be the most biased. If you weren't, you wouldn't refer to certain members of the band via non names and others directly. Stop acting so fucking "inside" and be direct. Lose your bias. So sick of everyone in this forum having an emotion based perception by which they come up with grandiose statements about the future or what's happening while having ZERO factual information just SUBJECTIVE bs. 

You want us to

1) see everything through you POV

2) try to trick people into thinking you know what you're talking about when you don't

So I challenge you....

Drop the cryptic BS, drop the bias where one member gets to be Slash & the other "the singer",  and drop some actual information into this sub

Oh and take off your fucking fedora 

It’s ugly.  And depressing.  I know.  But I was asked for an opinion, and gave one based upon legal fact.  Is your complaint with my opinion?  I should hope, as the legal fact upon which it rests is irrefutable.

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1 hour ago, ramsey said:

You over complicating your way of writing to try to come off as intellectual. Of all the people in this forum you might be the most biased. If you weren't, you wouldn't refer to certain members of the band via non names and others directly. Stop acting so fucking "inside" and be direct. Lose your bias. So sick of everyone in this forum having an emotion based perception by which they come up with grandiose statements about the future or what's happening while having ZERO factual information just SUBJECTIVE bs. 

You want us to

1) see everything through you POV

2) try to trick people into thinking you know what you're talking about when you don't

So I challenge you....

Drop the cryptic BS, drop the bias where one member gets to be Slash & the other "the singer",  and drop some actual information into this sub

Oh and take off your fucking fedora 

Excellent post!!!!!!! Clapssssds ☺?

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17 minutes ago, Magnus Cavalerra said:

That guy hates “the singer“ so much he starts emulate "the singer“ itself.  

I have afraid with this post Axl commite suicide, hope Axl not read this terrible  post,good you post ?☺

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5 hours ago, Towelie said:

I don't think he really cares. 

Axl is a master of procrastination. Why else would he have toured virtually the same setlist since 2009? I think he only agreed to the reunion because NuGuns had exhausted every possible market, and were unlikely to keep selling out arenas without new material. So when faced at the crossroads of whether to put out another record with NuGuns or give Slash a call so he can carry on aimlessly touring, he picks the latter, such is his reticence to record and release new music.

 He seems to think every album has to be this sprawling epic magnum opus, instead of just making a solid rock album with the best he has to offer. 

 

I can't figure out why anyone would expect Axl, Slash or Duff to give a single fuck about recording a new album at this point. They're old-ish men who are going to make money hand over fist with or without a new record. A record which - by the way - would probably be critically panned no matter how good it ends up being. There's just no way at this point in their lives they can live up to what they created in the past, so whatever labor-intensive work they put into writing and recording a new album, would probably lead to a "ehh.. they should have left well enough alone" end result from fans and critics.

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