VIDEOGAME Thread...

[Guest Jack_the_ripper]

Ea wants the rockstar asset as part of the deal, it's why it's taking so long for them to buy them out. They want Rockstar as well, only reason they are really interested in Taketwo. I know that the rockstar deal is up in 2009, Sir, I'm well informed.

Rockstar actually doesn't put that much time or effort into their flagship titles, not anymore than any other developer might. There is only 3 men I can say that they put actual ridiculous amounts of time and effort into their games, and those 3 are:

1. Shigeru Miyamoto

2. Masahiro Sakurai

3. Hideo Kojima

As much as I dislike the MGS series, I can't deny Kojima's passion for the industry, and I can respect the man.

The gaming industry has already pushed far beyond the film industry. I mean, it's interactive. Films aren't interactive, you see someone get shot by the hero, all is well. In the game though, you are the 1 pulling that trigger, and depending what game it is, it usually is a very gory exploit (such as head shots are in GTA, where their heads blow off and they run around like headless chickens. Now if you want to tell me that's done with taste, and it's art, then sir, you should perhaps get your brain checked.) Games have also already pushed it about as far as things will go as well, politicians are mis-informally putting down their foots, and soon most gratuitous violence will be banned from games all together (perhaps that isn't such a bad thing.)

Ughhhhh i'm not even going to argue about the quality Rockstar assures in GTA to a Japan-o-phile. You obviously don't want to give credit to a western developer.

Video games are not art. I'd say shooting somebodies head of is done with taste. It obviously isn't real. Every single person who buys the game can tell you that.

Why aren't movies getting banned when a 17 year old can go see Saw and watch torture porn for the next 2 hours? Or how about a 17 year old kid going to go see Hostel to watch somebody's cock get cut off?

Wow, I love how you completely ignored my points, I don't know if you just didn't read my post, or are just plain stupid. I have no clue, I'll let that for other people to judge.

Firstly, not a japan-o-phile, most people here already knows this, since I fucking shit like anime. I'll give credit to a western developer that is not making a game for soul purpose of money. However, it just seems that most, or a large majority, of western developers are in it for the big bucks. For example, I'm willing to give props to Valve, games like Half-life or portal are more than just to sell. There's a great philosophy behind the company. Anything that T2, Rockstar, EA, even Ubi now (which is sad, used to love ubi in the early 00's, put out some great titles back then.) is all about a cash crop, and I can't respect that at all. GTAIV is just that, milking the cashcow. (for the record, plenty of japanese companies are also now guilty of this, Square is a perfect example of that. How many times have they milked the final fantasy 7 franchise for a quick buck?)

art 1 |ärt|

noun

1 the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.

(most) videogame developers have a creative vision when creating a video games, of course as with all arts, they use plenty of imagination. Video games are definately part of the visual form, but take it a step further by adding audio, and even interactivity. Any real gamer will appreciate a game for its beauty, and even emotional power (Chrono trigger is a perfect example of that.)

If movies are art, so is a video game.

Also, you have some issues if you think headless people running around like headless chickens because you shot their heads off is tasteful.

As for your last part about movies, I've already proved you entirely wrong in my post, but for the sake of making you look stupider, let me say it again. A movie is not interactive. You can watch those things, and perhaps be grossed out, however you are not doing the action, merely watching it. It will not have as deep of a psychological impact as if you were to do that in a video game. Video games are interactive, meaning for you my simple minded friend, that you press buttons, your character corresponds to the buttons on the screen. In a video game, you are openly selecting blow off heads, in movies, you have no choice, it's playing on the screen.

See the difference, one your watching and have no control over, the other you have entire control, and it's up to you whether you blow off the head or not.

[SylvesterStallone]

I was a huge Rockstar fanboy, I even liked "The Warriors", but they really let me down with Manhunt 2. That game was just an absolute turd.

Question to all you wii owners, is this pretty much a dead year for wii? I ask because it's obvious nintendo makes the best games for this console. Now that we have mario kart coming out next week in America, is that pretty much the last A-list game until nintendo updates another classic like Donkey Kong, Pilot Wings,etc?

[Guest Jack_the_ripper]

for now, it's dead. But NOA president Reggie promised some huge announcements for the second quarter at e3 and promised another charged christmas for Nintendo, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Edited April 22, 2008 by Jack_the_ripper

[Black Sabbath]

GTA is gonna be great. Not the greatest ever, but great.

And Jack, one question... How do you remember all of those crazy Japanese name and how to spell them? I wouldn't waste time trying to remember game creator names and what not.

[Guest Jack_the_ripper]

it's rather easy, I care about the developer and the philosophy behind his game. Why do people remember film directors names? As for the spelling, having worked on a site reporting on games, it just sticks with you.

[Black Sabbath]

it's rather easy, I care about the developer and the philosophy behind his game. Why do people remember film directors names? As for the spelling, having worked on a site reporting on games, it just sticks with you.

Ah I see, I was actually wondering 'cos I never payed close attention to names like that.

The only directors names I recognize and remember and stuff would be the big wigs like Spielberg and Lucas and so on.

I'm thinking about taking my $5 off of Metal Gear. I just don't feel that excited about it anymore. And I was going to buy it for the online anyway, so unless the Beta just blows me away, then I think I'll put my $5 onto something else.

EDIT: Hell, I'll probably end up getting Metal Gear anyway.

Edited April 22, 2008 by Axls_Shorts_Rule

[vicious]

metal gear will be brilliant.

jack i respect your points (don't agree with them but do respect them)

the only thing i'll have to disagree completely with is that rockstar knew they would be taken over and therefore are being very "out there". EA didn't attempt to buy take two until GTA was almost finished, they were mostly just trying to make the 360 and ps3 versions very similar at that time. also it's looking less likely EA will buy them now. GTA will be released in a week and EA wanted the take over before it was released, it's guarenteed to make millions.

[Anagram Of Oral Sex]

Jack why the fuck are you even giving an opinion about a series that you haven't played in 10 years?

Are western developers in it for the money? Or do they just happen to make a lot of money? T2 is in it for the money? Tell that to Ken Levine and 2k Boston. What about Gearbox? Bethesda? Bungie? Bioware? Epic? Insomniac? Turn 10? Silicon Knights? Ensemble? Lionhead?

Interactivity doesn't magically enhance violence to a multitude of 10.

Something being real magically enhances the violence to 10.

Everybody has a mind able to distinguish real and fake.

I'm sure you have some sort of violent video game. Blow some people's heads off for a while then come back here and tell me how you feel. Then when your done with that I'll send you some links to a few videos consisting of be-headings, self mutilation, and maybe a little suicide. Then come back here and tell me how different it feels.

Anyone who has watched a video depicting real death online can vow for me. I've personally watched some pretty terrible videos on the internet and the feeling afterwards is COMPLETELY real and could never be matched by a movie or video game.

THAT is exactly why every ignorant politician and mom out there who think video games have a direct correlation to violence is WRONG.

[The Sandman]

AOOS - spot on bro.

[Guest Jack_the_ripper]

Jack why the fuck are you even giving an opinion about a series that you haven't played in 10 years?

Are western developers in it for the money? Or do they just happen to make a lot of money? T2 is in it for the money? Tell that to Ken Levine and 2k Boston. What about Gearbox? Bethesda? Bungie? Bioware? Epic? Insomniac? Turn 10? Silicon Knights? Ensemble? Lionhead?

Interactivity doesn't magically enhance violence to a multitude of 10.

Something being real magically enhances the violence to 10.

Everybody has a mind able to distinguish real and fake.

I'm sure you have some sort of violent video game. Blow some people's heads off for a while then come back here and tell me how you feel. Then when your done with that I'll send you some links to a few videos consisting of be-headings, self mutilation, and maybe a little suicide. Then come back here and tell me how different it feels.

Anyone who has watched a video depicting real death online can vow for me. I've personally watched some pretty terrible videos on the internet and the feeling afterwards is COMPLETELY real and could never be matched by a movie or video game.

THAT is exactly why every ignorant politician and mom out there who think video games have a direct correlation to violence is WRONG.

unlike every other idiot that criticizes shit, I play the shit I criticize, so I've played GTAIII, vice city, san andreas, and I will try GTAIV. I know my shit sir, and I have enough gaming experience to back it up.

As for the companies you mentioned, every single 1 of those companies has 1 or 2 developers that are worth a damn, the rest are just in it for a quick buck. I've said it before though, this isn't the sole case in the western world, Japan is very guilty of this as of late as well.

The interactivity of killing is still more extreme than watching it in a movie, althought admittedly less than watching a video of decapitation... Of which, please keep it to yourself, I'd rather not see that. I never mentioned this by the way, you were talking about a movie, and that's what I compared it too.

[Black Sabbath]

This should get interesting.

[Guest Jack_the_ripper]

Considering I'm extremely dis-satisfied with nintendo currently, you couldn't be wronger.

[Anagram Of Oral Sex]

None of the companies I listed are in it for the quick buck. I mean do you even know who I listed? You just shrugged off some of the best developers in the business. Seriously go suck some more Japanese elitist dick. Japan is falling farther and farther behind every year. They are still weary of child stalkers which is the reason Nintendo can't put together a real fucking online system.

Video games are not more extreme. They don't even come close to photo realistic violence found in movies.

You not wanting to watch real footage of death says enough. Video games are not murder simulators. Nothing can simulate the feelings you get from the real thing.

[Black Sabbath]

Considering I'm extremely dis-satisfied with nintendo currently, you couldn't be wronger.

That doesn't make sense in this conversation.

[Black Sabbath]

I'm not sure... After I beat the shit out of a Pikachu, my bloodlust was unquenchable. I WANTED MORE!

[Guest Jack_the_ripper]

None of the companies I listed are in it for the quick buck. I mean do you even know who I listed? You just shrugged off some of the best developers in the business. Seriously go suck some more Japanese elitist dick. Japan is falling farther and farther behind every year. They are still weary of child stalkers which is the reason Nintendo can't put together a real fucking online system.

Video games are not more extreme. They don't even come close to photo realistic violence found in movies.

You not wanting to watch real footage of death says enough. Video games are not murder simulators. Nothing can simulate the feelings you get from the real thing.

I infact do know every single company you named, however I don't have time to mention games every single 1 of those companies made.

[The Sandman]

None of the companies I listed are in it for the quick buck. I mean do you even know who I listed? You just shrugged off some of the best developers in the business. Seriously go suck some more Japanese elitist dick. Japan is falling farther and farther behind every year. They are still weary of child stalkers which is the reason Nintendo can't put together a real fucking online system.

Video games are not more extreme. They don't even come close to photo realistic violence found in movies.

You not wanting to watch real footage of death says enough. Video games are not murder simulators. Nothing can simulate the feelings you get from the real thing.

I infact do know every single company you named, however I don't have time to mention games every single 1 of those companies made.

Do you hate Bioshock?

[Black Sabbath]

And you say GTA is bad Jack...

[Anagram Of Oral Sex]

The only thing good about Manhunt 2 was the unique environments and situations you find yourself in. The game was complete shit though.

[Guest Jack_the_ripper]

oh manhunt 2 is fucking horrible.

Bioshock was grand, why do you ask? I know, 2k game. They knocked 1 out of the park, congragulations.

[Black Sabbath]

I know Manhunt is and was shit, but I'm just saying that it is way more violent than GTA ever dreamt of being.

[Guest Jack_the_ripper]

the game isn't mainstream like GTA though, everyone plays GTA, I mean literally, almost everyone.

[Black Sabbath]

'Cos it's fun.

[illusions]

I hope you can drive drunk in gta4!

[Black Sabbath]

I hope you can drive drunk in gta4!

You can.

Talk drunk, walk drunk, drive drunk.

You can do it.