[soulraper]

Before we get this argument started I would like to point out that I am a huge fan of the Axl Rose of yesterday.

Axl Rose in the 80's, and Early 90's

The same person? I know I don't. the mofo's gone crazy, he couldnt stand watching GNR die the way it did.

Chinese Democracy was a fake, ultra-edited, foot-note in Rock N' Roll

AFD, GNR Lies, and UYI 1 and 2 changed music forever.

This is one of my huge points of argument of whether Axl's new Guns really is Guns N' Roses. There is no Steven, Izzy, Slash, or Duff, and in my opinion THERE IS NO TRUE AXL ROSE ANYMORE. This is not the Guns N' Roses we once knew. This is nothing.

"Funny how everything was roses when we held onto the GUNS"
Where the fuck did the Guns go?

Axl Rose is hanging onto the old Guns N' Roses songs and the name making shit with a band of hired hands.

Izzy is out making so-so solo albums

Stephen is touring with Adler's Appetite and getting clean, and playing on 3 tracks on Slash's new solo album

Duff is touring with Loaded, and working with Slash on Velvet Revolver

Slash is in the process of making his solo album, not to mention working in a band whose debut record went 2 TIMES PLATINUM. Nothing near the success of AFD but it sure kicked the shit out of Chinese Democracy (CD went 1x platinum)

FUCK YEAH, CHECK AND MATE, KISS MY ASS FUCK YOU

[Scaramouche]

You have a good point yeah.

[Conor]

soulraper, on Jul 28 2009, 11:08 PM, said:

GNR Lies, and UYI 1 and 2 changed music forever.

I fail to see what you're topic is actually trying to say You've just listed a few points which are essentially just reasons you don't like Axl, and even they aren't really that valid. Anyway, if you truly believe what I quoted you're just fucking naive. Appetite for Destruction certainly has it's footprint in music, those other three, although great albums and loved greatly by us... did not change music forever. And if you believe that, you're an idiot.

[jarrett_gnr]

80s Axl > 06 Axl > UYI Axl > 02 Axl

[soulraper]

Conor, on Jul 28 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

soulraper, on Jul 28 2009, 11:08 PM, said:

GNR Lies, and UYI 1 and 2 changed music forever.

I fail to see what you're topic is actually trying to say You've just listed a few points which are essentially just reasons you don't like Axl, and even they aren't really that valid. Anyway, if you truly believe what I quoted you're just fucking naive. Appetite for Destruction certainly has it's footprint in music, those other three, although great albums and loved greatly by us... did not change music forever. And if you believe that, you're an idiot.

Sir, I beg to differ

GNR Lies- Patience is one of the most well known acoustic Rock N' Roll songs of all time.

Use Your Illusion I- November Rain is often quoted as having one of the best, most influencial guitar solos of all time. Also, Don't Cry still garners massive radio play to this day.

Use Your Illusion II- Civil War, and Knockin' On Heaven's Door are also very well known and also garner massive radio play to this day.

I believe I have made my point.

[jarrett_gnr]

soulraper, on Jul 28 2009, 07:12 PM, said:

Conor, on Jul 28 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

soulraper, on Jul 28 2009, 11:08 PM, said:

GNR Lies, and UYI 1 and 2 changed music forever.

I fail to see what you're topic is actually trying to say You've just listed a few points which are essentially just reasons you don't like Axl, and even they aren't really that valid. Anyway, if you truly believe what I quoted you're just fucking naive. Appetite for Destruction certainly has it's footprint in music, those other three, although great albums and loved greatly by us... did not change music forever. And if you believe that, you're an idiot.

Sir, I beg to differ

GNR Lies- Patience is one of the most well known acoustic Rock N' Roll songs of all time.

Use Your Illusion I- November Rain is often quoted as having one of the best, most influencial guitar solos of all time. Also, Don't Cry still garners massive radio play to this day.

Use Your Illusion II- Civil War, and Knockin' On Heaven's Door are also very well known and also garner massive radio play to this day.

I believe I have made my point.

Civil War and a bad cover changed music forever? November Rain solo is one of the most influential guitar solos of all time? LOL.

[soulraper]

uoi, on Jul 28 2009, 07:30 PM, said:

Slash's end solo in November Rain really inspired me to play guitar. I honestly may never have picked up the guitar and could have chosen a different instrument if it wasn't for songs like that.
There are some other guitarists out there that truly inspire me to never want to play guitar.

I think most people would see Knockin on Heaven's Door as a great cover. I heard it blasting out a car radio the other day with the recognizable solo. Really was nice to hear.

thank you for seeing my point.

jarrett_gnr, on Jul 28 2009, 07:04 PM, said:

soulraper, on Jul 28 2009, 07:12 PM, said:

Conor, on Jul 28 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

soulraper, on Jul 28 2009, 11:08 PM, said:

GNR Lies, and UYI 1 and 2 changed music forever.

I fail to see what you're topic is actually trying to say You've just listed a few points which are essentially just reasons you don't like Axl, and even they aren't really that valid. Anyway, if you truly believe what I quoted you're just fucking naive. Appetite for Destruction certainly has it's footprint in music, those other three, although great albums and loved greatly by us... did not change music forever. And if you believe that, you're an idiot.

Sir, I beg to differ

GNR Lies- Patience is one of the most well known acoustic Rock N' Roll songs of all time.

Use Your Illusion I- November Rain is often quoted as having one of the best, most influencial guitar solos of all time. Also, Don't Cry still garners massive radio play to this day.

Use Your Illusion II- Civil War, and Knockin' On Heaven's Door are also very well known and also garner massive radio play to this day.

I believe I have made my point.

Civil War and a bad cover changed music forever? November Rain solo is one of the most influential guitar solos of all time? LOL.

Civil War is a vastly popular song, as is Knockin' On Heaven's Door, and November Rain has one of the most well-known, popular, and influencial solos of all time. How can you disagree? I'm honestly confused.

[jarrett_gnr]

soulraper, on Jul 29 2009, 12:00 AM, said:

uoi, on Jul 28 2009, 07:30 PM, said:

Slash's end solo in November Rain really inspired me to play guitar. I honestly may never have picked up the guitar and could have chosen a different instrument if it wasn't for songs like that.
There are some other guitarists out there that truly inspire me to never want to play guitar.

I think most people would see Knockin on Heaven's Door as a great cover. I heard it blasting out a car radio the other day with the recognizable solo. Really was nice to hear.

thank you for seeing my point.

jarrett_gnr, on Jul 28 2009, 07:04 PM, said:

soulraper, on Jul 28 2009, 07:12 PM, said:

Conor, on Jul 28 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

soulraper, on Jul 28 2009, 11:08 PM, said:

GNR Lies, and UYI 1 and 2 changed music forever.

I fail to see what you're topic is actually trying to say You've just listed a few points which are essentially just reasons you don't like Axl, and even they aren't really that valid. Anyway, if you truly believe what I quoted you're just fucking naive. Appetite for Destruction certainly has it's footprint in music, those other three, although great albums and loved greatly by us... did not change music forever. And if you believe that, you're an idiot.

Sir, I beg to differ

GNR Lies- Patience is one of the most well known acoustic Rock N' Roll songs of all time.

Use Your Illusion I- November Rain is often quoted as having one of the best, most influencial guitar solos of all time. Also, Don't Cry still garners massive radio play to this day.

Use Your Illusion II- Civil War, and Knockin' On Heaven's Door are also very well known and also garner massive radio play to this day.

I believe I have made my point.

Civil War and a bad cover changed music forever? November Rain solo is one of the most influential guitar solos of all time? LOL.

Civil War is a vastly popular song, as is Knockin' On Heaven's Door, and November Rain has one of the most well-known, popular, and influencial solos of all time. How can you disagree? I'm honestly confused.

Civil War is often referred to as one of the most pointless songs ever written. KOHD was an overdone cover. Yes, November Rain's solo was great, but I don't see how you can call it influential. Influential is stuff like Hotel California and the Beatles. If anything, the music video was influential on how to glorify a guitarist to the point of making me want to throw up. If anything, I think the reason Slash is so influential is because of his image. He's the epitome of "cool" in rock 'n' roll. All wannabe-rock star kids see themselves in the leather jacket, top hat, and sunglasses.

inb4 typical uoi post of "lets see you do better" etc.

This post has been edited by jarrett_gnr: 28 July 2009 - 11:23 PM

[krock]

Axl of yesterday or Axl of today....Either way, he's still hot, vocals still sound great and whether he's puttin' out music or not, the man has enough money to do wtf he pleases.

We all miss the original band members and the magic they created together. The original line up is of the past. When hell freezes over and the devil wears ice skates, that's when the original 5 will get back together.

Personally, I'm glad the old members are doing well. I think Axl is doing well too.

[twenty-nine]

soulraper, on Jul 29 2009, 12:00 AM, said:

uoi, on Jul 28 2009, 07:30 PM, said:

Slash's end solo in November Rain really inspired me to play guitar. I honestly may never have picked up the guitar and could have chosen a different instrument if it wasn't for songs like that.
There are some other guitarists out there that truly inspire me to never want to play guitar.

I think most people would see Knockin on Heaven's Door as a great cover. I heard it blasting out a car radio the other day with the recognizable solo. Really was nice to hear.

thank you for seeing my point.

jarrett_gnr, on Jul 28 2009, 07:04 PM, said:

soulraper, on Jul 28 2009, 07:12 PM, said:

Conor, on Jul 28 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

soulraper, on Jul 28 2009, 11:08 PM, said:

GNR Lies, and UYI 1 and 2 changed music forever.

I fail to see what you're topic is actually trying to say You've just listed a few points which are essentially just reasons you don't like Axl, and even they aren't really that valid. Anyway, if you truly believe what I quoted you're just fucking naive. Appetite for Destruction certainly has it's footprint in music, those other three, although great albums and loved greatly by us... did not change music forever. And if you believe that, you're an idiot.

Sir, I beg to differ

GNR Lies- Patience is one of the most well known acoustic Rock N' Roll songs of all time.

Use Your Illusion I- November Rain is often quoted as having one of the best, most influencial guitar solos of all time. Also, Don't Cry still garners massive radio play to this day.

Use Your Illusion II- Civil War, and Knockin' On Heaven's Door are also very well known and also garner massive radio play to this day.

I believe I have made my point.

Civil War and a bad cover changed music forever? November Rain solo is one of the most influential guitar solos of all time? LOL.

Civil War is a vastly popular song, as is Knockin' On Heaven's Door, and November Rain has one of the most well-known, popular, and influencial solos of all time. How can you disagree? I'm honestly confused.

I think the album version of KOHD sucks. The live versions from the 80's are so much more raw and oganic. I'd much rather listen to those early versions than the bloated "You can take your rank subjegation....." blah, blah, blah Tracy blah blah blah reggae that they turned that song into.

[ItsSuchACrimeUKnowItsTruee]

I like late 2006 Axl live more than any other Axl, and Chinese Democracy is my favorite album.

The only problem he had in 2006 is that he runs out of breath too often, often due to him running/dancing around stage. 80s/90s Axl's voice was too scratchy, and not in a good way.

This post has been edited by ItsSuchACrimeUKnowItsTruee: 01 August 2009 - 10:48 PM

[FuddMckagan]

jarrett_gnr, on Jul 28 2009, 05:44 PM, said:

80s Axl > 06 Axl > UYI Axl > 02 Axl

Agree. (Im agreeing with Jarret )

krock, on Jul 29 2009, 12:35 AM, said:

Axl of yesterday or Axl of today....Either way, he's still hot, vocals still sound great and whether he's puttin' out music or not, the man has enough money to do wtf he pleases.

I wouldn't go that far.....

This post has been edited by Slash-rulz: 01 August 2009 - 11:39 PM

[seely]

jarrett_gnr, on Jul 28 2009, 11:44 PM, said:

80s Axl > 06 Axl > UYI Axl > 02 Axl

this, though i think the UYI and 01-02 eras were the best for on stage rants!

[Conor]

soulraper, on Jul 29 2009, 12:12 AM, said:

Conor, on Jul 28 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

soulraper, on Jul 28 2009, 11:08 PM, said:

GNR Lies, and UYI 1 and 2 changed music forever.

I fail to see what you're topic is actually trying to say You've just listed a few points which are essentially just reasons you don't like Axl, and even they aren't really that valid. Anyway, if you truly believe what I quoted you're just fucking naive. Appetite for Destruction certainly has it's footprint in music, those other three, although great albums and loved greatly by us... did not change music forever. And if you believe that, you're an idiot.

Sir, I beg to differ

GNR Lies- Patience is one of the most well known acoustic Rock N' Roll songs of all time.

Use Your Illusion I- November Rain is often quoted as having one of the best, most influencial guitar solos of all time. Also, Don't Cry still garners massive radio play to this day.

Use Your Illusion II- Civil War, and Knockin' On Heaven's Door are also very well known and also garner massive radio play to this day.

I believe I have made my point.

No, you really haven't made your point. Just because they are good songs, great songs, does not mean that they changed music forever. That's complete bullshit and you fucking know it. The general public does not have GNR Lies up there with Sgt Pepper, Dark Side of the Moon, Thriller etc. Yes, I prefer Lies to all three of those albums, but it did not change music forever. Neither did UYI I or II.

[JesusisSavior]

I loved Axl's vocals up until the whole helium fiasco, i much perfer his sand papery uneven voice. Absolutely hated the use of pro tools altering his voice throughout CD

jarrett_gnr, on Jul 28 2009, 06:44 PM, said:

80s Axl > UYI Axl > 06 Axl > 02 Axl

fixed