[Drifter]

Why are some people so against the new GnR Lineup?

It doesn't make sense to me why people are so fixed on a reunion or the old line up to get back together for good. I love the old line up and the old music as much as the next person, but i also like the new music and new line up even though its ever changing.

At the end of the day the music still good IMO, and the music is still being made, so whats the difference apart from the changing faces?

[rancid punks]

It isn't that I have anything against these guys but other than Bucket (who is long gone), what personalities are there really in the band? I guess Ashba might have one but the thing is back in the day ,Slash,Duff etc. all talked openly and freely about GnR. There wasn't this "no comment"bullshit. You never heard Slash or Duff say "That isn't my place to discuss that, I'll let management talk"

Let's face it,outside of us nobody gives a flying fuck for Frank Ferrer,Ron etc. That isn't to say they aren't great players but they just don't have the "It Factor" that Slash,Duff,Izzy and Steven are all blessed with.

[marlon_brando15]

They have stones and apples!

[Carne_asaDA]

Chemistry is not there.

Axl brought in a bunch of talented musicians (with the exception of Robin) together but the guys just don't mesh as a band. And that is evident in Chinese D.

[Satanisk_Slakt]

Obviously most people think here think they've done some good music. I wouldn't mind the band at all if they weren't calling themselves Guns N' Roses when they clearly isn't Guns N' Roses. You don't need to tell me that they aren't Axls solo-project, but they are damn much closer to be that than to be Guns N' Roses, that's for sure.

[Scaramouche]

rancid punks, on Oct 1 2009, 10:05 PM, said:

It isn't that I have anything against these guys but other than Bucket (who is long gone), what personalities are there really in the band? I guess Ashba might have one but the thing is back in the day ,Slash,Duff etc. all talked openly and freely about GnR. There wasn't this "no comment"bullshit. You never heard Slash or Duff say "That isn't my place to discuss that, I'll let management talk"

Let's face it,outside of us nobody gives a flying fuck for Frank Ferrer,Ron etc. That isn't to say they aren't great players but they just don't have the "It Factor" that Slash,Duff,Izzy and Steven are all blessed with.

This! Great post.

[myguiltysecret]

Carne_asaDA, on Oct 1 2009, 10:27 PM, said:

Chemistry is not there.

Axl brought in a bunch of talented musicians (with the exception of Robin) together but the guys just don't mesh as a band. And that is evident in Chinese D.

What do you have against Robin?

[Carne_asaDA]

myguiltysecret, on Oct 1 2009, 04:36 PM, said:

Carne_asaDA, on Oct 1 2009, 10:27 PM, said:

Chemistry is not there.

Axl brought in a bunch of talented musicians (with the exception of Robin) together but the guys just don't mesh as a band. And that is evident in Chinese D.

What do you have against Robin?

He sucks. He plays guitar as if his fingers have been ran over by an asphault paver.

[Drifter]

rancid punks, on Oct 1 2009, 10:05 PM, said:

It isn't that I have anything against these guys but other than Bucket (who is long gone), what personalities are there really in the band? I guess Ashba might have one but the thing is back in the day ,Slash,Duff etc. all talked openly and freely about GnR. There wasn't this "no comment"bullshit. You never heard Slash or Duff say "That isn't my place to discuss that, I'll let management talk"

Let's face it,outside of us nobody gives a flying fuck for Frank Ferrer,Ron etc. That isn't to say they aren't great players but they just don't have the "It Factor" that Slash,Duff,Izzy and Steven are all blessed with.

Never thought of it like that, and i can see what you mean. The new line up don't have that 'WOW' factor like the old line up did, expect the unexpected with those guys and the chemistry bubbled all over the place they just worked brilliantly, there personalities suited and complimented each other, they meshed together so well there talents together made magic. While the new line up is more you kinda know what your gonna get ( can't always say that for Axl though) and the chemistry is almost non exsistent, theres no spark and everything is all hush hush with the new guys and no one talks about anything really, While Slash Izzy etc, said what they thought, done whatever the hell they wanted, and fuck everyone else, like proper Rock n' Roll.

This post has been edited by Drifter: 01 October 2009 - 04:56 PM

[ResaRose]

Seems to me Izzy wasn't sold on the old line up. Not everyone thinks they're solid gold. They were mercurical, not synchronized, and the brilliant work bubbled up from there, not from great flow but from a combustion; they exploded and it was brilliant and it finally sizzled and even that is sweet.

I don't know what this 'It' factor is that u all talk about. I don't think it was possible for me not to love them once I heard the music. Plus we don't see the new guys even one tenth as much as we did the old ones, so really, we've got little to work with. Even with the tours, when some of u got to see them, they had the brick wall of old guns to deal with. We're never gonna see them in a clear light.

[sonny_1313]

Satanisk_Slakt, on Oct 1 2009, 05:28 PM, said:

Obviously most people think here think they've done some good music. I wouldn't mind the band at all if they weren't calling themselves Guns N' Roses when they clearly isn't Guns N' Roses. You don't need to tell me that they aren't Axls solo-project, but they are damn much closer to be that than to be Guns N' Roses, that's for sure.

I don't think anyone has anything against the new lineup. But most people agree that it's not GNR. It's pretty much widely known, outside of the fan forums, that this is an Axl Rose solo project. The general public have no idea who are even in the band. We don't even really know. Axl could show up with six different guys onstage that he's never played with before and he would still call it "Guns N' Roses."

In the end the only member of GNR as it stands that anyone really cares about is Axl.

[JesusisSavior]

The reason I have a thing against the new line up is because I think this is Axl's band. Not Guns N' Roses. If he were the just simply get a new band name and stop butchering "GN'R", I'd be happy. Old Guns & "New" Guns are two completely different bands.
I'm also not a fan of pro tools and over production. I like my rock n roll in it's rawest honest format.

[WhazUp]

rancid punks, on Oct 1 2009, 02:05 PM, said:

It isn't that I have anything against these guys but other than Bucket (who is long gone), what personalities are there really in the band? I guess Ashba might have one but the thing is back in the day ,Slash,Duff etc. all talked openly and freely about GnR. There wasn't this "no comment"bullshit. You never heard Slash or Duff say "That isn't my place to discuss that, I'll let management talk"

Let's face it,outside of us nobody gives a flying fuck for Frank Ferrer,Ron etc. That isn't to say they aren't great players but they just don't have the "It Factor" that Slash,Duff,Izzy and Steven are all blessed with.

+1

Great post.

[The Glow Inc.]

I think a lot of people don't think the New Guns necessarily suck as a band but suck at being GnR.
Not really at playing GnR ( even though Robin is still controversial... ) but at being GnR : acting like GnR, speaking of GnR, promoting themselves as GnR, looking like GnR etc...
Probably also because the new band doesn't really have the AFD attitude apart from Richard Fortus. They look like a prog band : way too serious.

I love them anyway but I get why fans of the original lineup don't.

This post has been edited by The Glow Inc.: 04 October 2009 - 05:51 AM

[Use Your Delusion 1]

they're dull

where's the drugs, attacking airport staff and getting pissed on stage?

thats what lots of people want to see, NuGNR are just not very rock & roll.