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  1. 28 points
    Again and hopefully better. So happy birthday Axl! Here's a little summary of your past birthdays: 1980s 1990s 2000s 2010s (PS. If you want to quote me, please delete all the gifs in the quote or it will fuck up the page. Thank you. )
  2. 27 points
    Just heard they are starting recording in Feb. True or bullshit who knows but that's what I have been told from a reliable sourse today.
  3. 26 points
    HAPPY BIRTHDAY DUFF! Hope you have a great one (lol, as if he was reading it here )
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  6. 19 points
    I think he would look a lot better if he put out a new album.
  7. 19 points
    rnr hall of fame 1994 unrecognizable ever since
  8. 18 points
    I WANT A FUCKIN' GUNS N' ROSES ALBUM!!!
  9. 18 points
    I don't know how to post photos here. For those of you who are in the fanspot FB group I posted a photo there. I didn't ask about GnR but I don't think we'll be seeing him there anytime soon. What's the best way to put this into words? So Steven is a great guy, really loveable and adorable. He hugged me a bunch of times and hugged everyone else he met. The issue isn't that he's a bad person or anything. He's still like a kid and you kind of want to make sure that someone is around to watch him. Compare him to Slash and Duff. They're professional, experienced touring musicans and they know how to conduct themselves in a professional way. Steven is like a wild card. He just wants to hang out and have a good time, but you don't really know what he's going to do. Especially in an environment where there's a lot of attention on him and band (like NAMM). That was ok back in the 80s when they were playing clubs and theaters. They were young and on loads of drugs and it was fine, but now Slash and Duff are older and sober. They want to know that everyone (especially on a tour of this magnitude) with behave and be professional, dependable, reliable, speak carefully, and so on. Frank fits that (and Axl wanted him). With Frank they don't have to worry about anything (except maybe the tempo). Steven, I think if I was touring in a band with him I would always be thinking about where he is and what he's doing. Not saying he can't be professional and all that (I'm sure he would if it came to it) but there's just too much weight and risk riding on this whole thing with the tour and where GnR is now. Steven is the wild card factor and the least controllable, and he could be a liability. Everything I said above, none of that has to do with his previous substance abuse problems. That's just my impressions from spending a little bit of time with him today and seeing him interact with people. I think his wife is probably a huge help in helping him be accountable and staying clean. Does that make sense to you all? I'm struggling to put into words my thoughts from seeing him today. It's one of those things that you can't really understand unless you've met him and been around him for a little while. Slash, Duff, and Axl, they know him even better than any of us. Before I thought, "oh he can do the tour and play the AFD stuff and be just fine" but after meeting him I think I'm starting to understand a little more what the others might be thinking.
  10. 16 points
    The basics of this old story are widely known and have been discussed multiple times, but I thought it would be useful to post this material for everybody who doesn't know or remember the details (and since at this moment there are no news about the band to discuss). ---------------- Steven signed a contract on March 28, 1990, with which he was demoted from a partner to an employee and was put on "probation" by the band and management. From the GnR partnership agreement signed in October 1992: [Steven] is back in the band. He was definitely out of the band. He wasn’t necessarily fired, we worked with Adam Maples, we worked with Martin Chambers, and Steven did the Guns N’ Roses thing and got his shit together. And it worked, and he did it, and he plays the songs better than any of ‘em, just bad-assed, and he’s GNR. And so if he doesn’t blow it, we’re going to try the album with him, and the tour and, you know, we’ve worked out a contract with him....(...) It’s only been since Thursday last week, and he’s doing great. We’re all just hoping it continues [Axl, Stick To Your Guns by Mick Wall; Kerrang, 21st and 28th of April 1990] Then, in July 1990, Steven was fired. ---------- The following newpaper reports and quotes are in chronological order. Steven's lawsuit was filed in July 1991, the trial took place in the summer of 1993 and it ended with an out of court settlement in September 1993. Most of the band members' quotes are from here: http://www.a-4-d.com/t91-steven-adler Steven didn't leave. Steven was fired. We gave him every ultimatum, we tried working with other drummers, we had Steven sign a contract saying that if he went back to drugs he was out. He couldn't leave his drugs...and other things had happened involved with Steven that Steven is basically someone I used to know. It makes me feel bad, but there's other things beside the band that he was involved in with his drugs that's been very dangerous and scary and I want nothing to do with him [Axl, Famous Last Words, MTV, 1990] He was lying to us on a daily basis. I was trying to talk some sense into him but it never happened. He wouldn't listen to anybody-none of us will! And Axl and Duff had had it. As amazing as it seems in this "drug-free"exercise and health age, there's a bunch of us who are stilll clinging fast to the late '60s and '70s. But Steve never grew up to the fact that it's not all just sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll. To him it was a big fantasy and we took care of him. And now he's on his own. [...] I did keep in touch. I'd pop into his house every now and then to see how he was doing. l stuck with him, as you'd do for a loved one. And then he started getting on my case, saying, 'I've heard you guys are all on heroin and what's the difference, blah blah blah ... .' And finally I couldn't talk to him anymore. I'd take him out to dinner and it would turn into this huge fight, to the point where I couldn't take it. So now l don't see him anymore. I call his doctor and l think about him a lot. And I worry. 'Cause it's a scary thing. And he was my best friend for a long time [Slash, Musician, December 1990] I felt really bad for Steven. He's saying stuff like "How could they do this to me?" But it wasn't a matter of how we could do this to him. It was how he could do this to us. He was taken care of by the band. Anybody who thinks we just kicked him out is just somebody who doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about and doesn't know what went on. We waited for him for a fucking year. How long is a band supposed to wait around? We all wanted to get out and play, and he wanted to play, too. He was just too loaded to do it. Really we did all kinds of things for this kid to get him back to normal, and he refused. Every time he went into rehab, he took off. [...] Steven had no control whatsoever. He didn't want to be in rehab and still wanted to be doing what he's doing. He thought it was very rock & roll. What do you tell a guy like that? So I just said, "Fuck it, that's it. I can't deal with it anymore, we have to get a new drummer" [Slash, Rolling Stone, January 1991] It was the hardest thing in the world having to (drop him) from the band. But we couldn't wait any longer. We had to make the new record. [Slash, Los Angeles Times, July 1991] We tried our best to get Steven back together. Steven - he's always been the child of the band, the one that was always just the happy-go-lucky, sex, drugs and rock'n'roll and that's it. He couldn't understand why the drugs were so separated from rock'n'roll all of a sudden; why he couldn't be a junkie and be in a rock'n'roll band, because the twain are supposed to meet on the same ground. But after a while it's really not like that. You have to take care of yourself. People will not go around wiping your ass for you. So a year went by (three visits to rehab) and I finally said, Steven, you've got to go. (...) It still fucks with me. And I still check up on him. I won't go so far as to say he's clean and I won't go so far as to say he's still fucked up. I know he's unhappy. [Slash, Tears Before Bedtime?; Q July 1991] We had recorded like 18 tracks for the Use Your Illusion I record with Steven and it just wasn’t happening. We put him through rehab like three times. I even went to his drug dealer’s house and threatened him with a gun and said, ‘Dude, if you ever...’ [Duff, Circus Magazine, 1991] July 21, 1991: ^^^ "Alan Nivens" and "Douglas Ostein" February 2, 1992. Article with excerpts from a Steven interview: We turned him onto drugs? My f?!king ass! That's so pathetic. Steven is scared to death of me. If he sees me in public, he just turns into a grovelling heap of defeatism. He just doesn't know what to say. He mumbles. I ask him a straightforward question, 'What's your motivation behind this?"' and he doesn't know what to say. Until now I haven't said a word about Steven to the press. I haven't attacked him; I haven't insulted him. I felt sorry for him. I didn't want to hurt him. We gave him a year to get his shit together. He couldn't play any of the new shit anyway. It got to a point where the material was way beyond him. I can't believe this little f?!ker. I read the shit he said about us in Circus (...) He said in that article he's sober now, but every time I've seen him, he's been wasted. I don't know what he's wasted on; I don't even care. I lost all concern and feeling for the guy. And I know a drug lie when I see one. We couldn't get any work done at Rumbo [the original studio where the band started work on Use Your Illusion three years ago]. He cost us a fortune. We had to edit the drum track to 'Civil War' just so we could play to it. At Rumbo, Steven would nod out to the point where he would be on a stool, but his head would be touching the floor. He'd say, 'I'm tired. I'm sleepy,' and he couldn't play. That was basically it. We gave him so many chances to turn around. We took him to Indiana, to play Farm Aid, and he jumps on the drum riser and almost breaks his f?!king neck. Look, Steven was a part of what made Guns N' Roses happen. He had a great energy. He wasn't an insanely great drummer, but he had tons of attitude. When the sex and drugs and the whole bit started to get out of hand, he went right along with it. But there's a certain time when you really have to control your life. I'm not preaching - I'm in no position to preach - but you must be aware of your own existence and take care of your own business. You just can't be loaded all the time and expect everything to be okay. Trust me, I know. As far as the rest of us, we bounced back, we straightened up. Steven never did. We always told each other when it was getting real bad. Everybody was there for the individual who needed help. That's how we're survived as a band. But Steven would never cop to anything, as far as telling us how bad it was. And now he's suing us. Thank you very much [Slash, RIP March 1992] The misconception is that we kicked him out for the hell of it, and that I was the dictator behind it. The truth is, I probably fought a little harder to keep him in the band, because I wasn't working with him on a daily basis like the other guys were. They grew tired of not being able to get their work done because Steven wasn't capable of it. I've read interviews where he's saying that he's straight. Most of the time he isn't. He's the type of person who wants everything handed to him, and he did get it handed to him. He got it handed to him from me (...). I paid $1.5 million by giving him 15% of my publishing off of Appetite For Destruction. He didn't write one goddamn note, but he calls me a selfish dick! He's been able to live off of that money, buy a shitload of drugs and hire lawyers to sue me. (....). I feel bad for him in ways, because he's a real damaged person, but he's making choices to keep himself in that damage. There's nothing we can do at this point. We took him to rehabs, we threatened his drug dealers, we helped him when he slashed his wrists. I even forgave him after he nearly killed my wife. I had to spend a night with her in an intensive-care unit because her heart had stopped thanks to Steven. She was hysterical, and he shot her up with a speedball. She had never done jack shit as far as drugs go, and he shoots her up with a mixture of heroin and cocaine? I kept myself from doing anything to him. I kept the man from being killed by members of her family. I saved him from having to go to court, because her mother wanted him held responsible for his actions. And the sonofabitch turns on me? I mean, yeah, I'm a difficult person to deal with, and I'm a pain in the ass to understand, and I've had my share of problems, but Steven benefited greatly from his involvement with me - more than I did from knowing him. Steven had a lot of fans, but he was a real pain in the ass. I need to keep him in my life for you? F?!k you! ["I, Axl" Del James, RIP Magazine - 1992] At this time I had nearly managed to get clean up, from everything. When I was looking at the band, I would see Stevie, who was a good guy, who's been struggling with us during all these years, but couldn't handle it anymore. He was a real millstone, he needed to clean up! Fuck... We all tried to help him, to support him. But no, finally, we'd been on the road with this guy for years and we lived this dilemma: "OK. We leave him six months doing nothing without any guarantee it gets better, or we forget about the double album and we burry the band?" Actually, the industry's machine woke up and the answer was: "We take someone else to cut these records." It's wasn't an easy decision. [Izzy, Rock & Folk, September 1992] August 21, 1993: August 24, 1993: September 25, 1993: October 4, 1993: October 21, 1993 (same content as the newspaper clip right above except for the last sentence): Yeah, we've got to pay [Steven] a lot of money. For no fuckin' reason that I can understand. [Slash, Q magazine, March 1994] ----------------------------- Some later quotes: As I feared, [Steven] had become the odd man out. At rehearsals, Duff and I had the tedious job of dealing with him. While Axl was aware of the situation, he wasn't obligated to watch over Steven 24/7 like we were. (...) Steven was becoming a heavier burden every day [Slash, autobiography, 2007] We were saying to him, 'Steven, you're fucked up.' We said: 'Me and Slash, we're fucked up, but you're really fucked up'. I remember saying to him: 'If me and Slash think you're fucked up, think about who's saying that...[Duff, Classic Rock, 2002] We had this unwritten sort of code – pull it back when it’s sensible, when it’s time to record or time to play a show. Pull it back. Check yourself. There had been a few times where we’d check each other. You know: ‘hey dude…’ And that’s all you’d have to say. It was a sort of honour amongst thieves. But Steven wasn’t able to pull it back time and time again. The irony wasn’t lost, even then. Slash and I told him quite a few times: ‘Dude, it’s us talking to you. If we’re telling you you’re getting too fucked up, you’re getting too fucked up. Look who’s talking to you. We’re the guys that everyone else is worried about, and we’re worried about you.’ It was really heartbreaking. We warned him too many times [Duff, Classic Rock, 2011] When we started rehearsing the material [for Use Your Illusion] that's when Steven's house of cards came crashing down. He was utterly useless when put to the test: most of the time he'd fade away from the proper time signature somewhere in the middle of the song or just forget where he was altogether. He was just incapable of locking in with Duff or me like he used to do. It was pretty dire; something had to be done . [Slash, autobiography, 2007] We tried for the longest time to give Steven a vision and a function. There was a combination of factors going on. One was that he could just not connect to the kind of material that Axl was writing. “Coma”, “Estranged” … he’d just roll his eyes. And, of course, the fact that he had no control over his heroin habit. [Alan Niven, quoted in Mick Wall, Last Of The Giants, 2016] Steven just kept on lying. He kept saying he'd given up. I'd already been around to his dealer's house and threatened to kill him if he sold Steven any more drugs. And one night I went round to Steven's house and pressed the redial button on his phone. And guess where it went? And that was that [Duff, Classic Rock, May 2006] It got so bad, and he seemed so incapable of reining it in, that at one point I found out where his drug dealer lived and took a shotgun to teh guy's home. Fuelled by booze, obviously. I waited for him, intending to threaten the fuck out of this dude to get him to stop supplying Stevie with the things that were going to kill him. It's lucky this guy never showed up - lucky for him, of course, but also for me [Duff, autobiography, 2011] Farm Aid was the last show we ever played with him. When we got back to L.A., Steven got even worse - I don't know, maybe because he knew the end was near, or maybe because heroine is that shrewd of a devil. There were a few more rehab stints, but they were short-lived, maybe twenty-four to forty-eight hours at a time. The last straw came when we were asked to donate a track to a charity album called 'Nobody's Child,' (...). By then we were completely alienated from Steven. In that session, there was us and there was him. After it was finished, before Mike Clink could mix it, he found that he had to cut and paste the whole drum track together [Slash, autobiography, 2007] The last show I ever played with them was over at Farm Aid. And to this day, I never heard the original version of “Down on the farm.” I guess some punk band (UK Subs) did it, and we’re on stage and all of a sudden Axl goes; “This is a song 'down on a farm.” And I yelled at Duff: “I go, Duff, Duff, what the fuck is this, how does this go?” And he just clapped his hands and just says; “just do this (clapping hands) boom, boom, boom.” And that song came out so kick ass, because I knew what Duff was gonna play before he played it. Yeah, each of us knew what we were gonna do before, we were, each of us were gonna do it. And I mean, if somebody was gonna hit a wrong note, which rarely happened, or something, (pauses) we knew it was gonna happen before. It just was so tight. It was just wonderful, and then for them to just turn on me – that was pretty much the worst moment. [Steven Adler, Metal Sludge, 2006] When producer Mike Clink and I had pieced together the drum track for 'Civil War' earlier that year, it was clear Steven was not going to be able to perform with us if he didn't turn things around. When we had played a couple songs to a huge crowd at Farm Aid in April, he was a mess onstage. After that we thought we could scare him straight. We told him we were auditioning drummers and figured he's snap out of it as soon as he heard that. When that didn't work, we hired a professional sober coach, Bob Timmons, who had helped Aerosmith get clean, to talk to him. [...] Slash and I served as the voice of the band during Steven's last days wit GN'R. But no matter what we said to him, nothing changed. We told him we were getting ready to enter the studio. Still no change. Finally, we suggested he get a lawyer. It was meant to scare him, but it proved convenient for Slash, Axl, Izzy and me. In the end we had our lawyer tell his lawyer that he was permanently out [Duff, autobiography, 2011] I wanted to get off heroin and, because I just started doing it with the guys. And I didn’t know you got sick. The first day I got sick I called up my manager and I said; “dude, I don’t what the fuck is going on, but I feel sick.” And (pauses) he took me to this doctor and this doctor gave me an opiate blocker. But you can’t take an opiate blocker when you’re on heroin. And then if you did do heroin, nothing would happen. But you can’t take it until you’re completely off the heroin. And I got completely, so sick, and they wanted to go in and record “Civil War.” I said: “Slash dude, I’m so sick I can’t do it right now.” And he said; “We can’t waste the money, we got to do it now!” I said dude; “Don’t even tell me about wasting money, we know one other person who is wasting SO much fucking money, we can wait another week.” [Steven Adler, Metal Sludge, 2006] Man, I was fucked up, and I have never denied that, I couldn’t really deny it because it was pretty fuckin’ obvious…But I wasn’t the only one. I remember one day Slash called me to go to the studio and play Civil War, I think it was. I’d been given an opiate blocker by a doctor. I still had opiates in my system and it made me so sick. I must have tried, like, 20 times to play it, but I couldn’t. I was very weak and I didn’t have my timing. Slash and Duff were shouting at me and telling me I was fucked up. [Steven Adler, Classic Rock, 2011] The writing was on the wall, and things quickly came to a head. Axl's patience as far as Steve went was long gone, so we had the inevitable get-together to discuss the situation; with Alan [Niven]'s support, Axl insisted that we give Steven a written ultimatum. It was a contract that Steve was forced to sign, that at best we hoped would scare him sober and at worst would orchestrate his departure from the band. The paperwork was clear; it said that if Steven showed up high to recording sessions, he'd be fined. If he did it three times, he'd be fired, or something along those lines. Steven signed it, he agreed to all of the terms, and like anyone caught in the throes of smack, he ignored all the promises he made and continued the way he had been [Slash, autobiography, 2007] We were like, what do we do? We had a band lawyer, and it was like, okay, you’ve got to warn him formally. This will scare him. You’re gonna get six months and you’ve got to do this and that. The lawyer’s like, okay, we’ll try that. We really thought that he’d pull it back and he didn’t. All the way up to getting Matt Sorum to play on the record, we thought that would get Steven back. Then we realised, it’s just not going to happen. It’s just not. I wouldn’t be being honest if I told you I knew exactly the point. I don’t remember exactly when it was but it was right in there. I just thought for a while, he’s going to come through this cycle. I’m not sitting here twenty years later in judgement. We all had our battles. [Duff, quoted in Mick Wall, The Last Of The Giants, 2016] The day after the “Civil War” recording session, Doug called me and asked me to come down to the office to sign some papers. He offered no explanation for his behavior the previous day, and I didn’t try to lay on any guilt. I just told him I was still very ill. There was a long silence on the phone, then Dougie told me that the matter was very important and wouldn’t take long. He told me he had been instructed by the GNR attorneys to tell me that my presence was absolutely required. In spite of what had gone down, I still wanted to believe that Dougie was my caring wingman, and when he promised I would be in and out of there quickly, I decided to rally. I cared more for his situation than my own. I could hear the stress in Doug’s voice and I didn’t want to bust his balls, so I got myself together and Cheryl drove me. When I walked in, Dougie and one of our lawyers, a professional-looking middle-aged woman, had a stack of papers for me to read. Read!? I couldn’t even see. They told me all I had to do was sign at the bottom of all the pages with the colored paper clips at- tached. I asked what this was all about. Dougie told me, “It’s nothing to worry about.” In my condition, I wasn’t about to read all this shit, but I was a little freaked and my jaw just dropped. In essence, I thought I was agreeing not to party and not to screw up on any band-related activities for the next four weeks. If I fucked up, they would fine me $2,000. I thought, “What the hell, no problem. The band doesn’t even have anything scheduled during the next month, and even so, what’s two grand?” I signed everything. I just wanted to get out of there, go home, and lie down. I discovered later that what I had actually signed away was my life. What the legal papers actually stated was that they were going to give me $2,000 for my contribution to Guns N’ Roses. Everything else, my royalties, my partnership in the band, my rights, was gone! Of course, I didn’t know this at the time. I’m sure with all these papers I naively signed, they thought they had my fate sealed. They had a signed, ironclad deal against me. [Steven Adler, autobiography, 2011] I got a call a few weeks after that and I had to go to the office and there was all these stacks of papers, contracts, for me to sign, and I realised that I was being fired. It ended up with me having to go to court to get my royalties and my writing credits [Steven Adler, Classic Rock, 2011] I'm not sure of the exact timetable, but it didn't take long for Steven to violate the terms of the sobriety contract we handed him, and once he did, he was done for. (...) I couldn't deny the fact that kicking Steven out of Guns N' Roses for drug abuse was kind of ridiculous and excessively harsh. It was also hypocritical. [Slash, autobiography, 2007] In no way was it minor. It was incredibly painful and frustrating. I’ve got to confess I’m still capable of a flash of red-hot anger with Steven at that. I have an understanding of why and what happened to him. But it was survivable. We spent a lot of time with Steven trying to get him through it and I resent the fact that he plays the victim, I think that’s bullshit. You know, own up, Steven. Be responsible for your own decisions and actions. You let us down, all of us. And we got to the point where putting him on probation didn’t work. [Alan Niven, quoted in Mick Wall, The Last Of The Giants, 2016] It was totally regrettable. But the band finally got to the place where we wanted to make a record, which was a hard enough place to get to… We’re talking about the span of about a year, which to us was like a lifetime, and Steven… we could not get him back to front. We were resigned to the fact that he wasn’t going to be able to do it in the time frame that we needed to get going, because we might miss the bus. We might fall apart again and take another year to get it together. [Slash, Classic Rock, 2011] Axl was fucking convinced that Erin had been overdosed and raped. Well, that’s going to go down well, isn’t it? That was a really clever choice that you made there, Steven, and it really helped everybody. Is it any surprise that we got to the point that we had to seriously consider getting someone else? Did we have any choice? [Alan Niven, quoted in Mick Wall, Last Of The Giants, 2016] I called the ambulance and saved her, [and] this bitch [McCoy’s wife] tells Axl I gave her heroin. He calls me up and says he’s coming over with a shotgun to kill me… [Steven Adler, Metal Sludge, 2006] Sadly, we had to replace our founding drummer because of acute drug problems. We had to replace him so that we could finally get on with making our new record and touring [b, Reverb, December 2009] I continued to hole up in my room, completely adrift, doing my thing. I don’t know how (maybe through Cheryl), but my mom discovered that the band had cut me off completely and that I wasn’t going to be receiving any more checks from Guns N’ Roses. Mom really went to bat for me. She contacted a top entertainment lawyer and proceeded to sue the band. I had given her the go-ahead and was all for it, but I was barely involved. When I had to take the stand, my nerves were shot. I kept a small stash in my pants and every chance I could, I went to the bathroom for a few hits. As a result, I delayed proceedings more than once. But the jury liked me. They believed I was honest and candid, because I was. During the course of the proceedings, they dragged the whole band in. Can you imagine how I felt watching Axl and Slash speaking out against me? Axl and Slash took the stand and came off completely cocky and arrogant. You stupid fucks. Thanks, boys. Your condescending attitude was one sweet gift to me. You thoroughly alienated the jury and I was awarded $2.5 million in dam ages and regained my 15 percent in continuous royalties. [Steven Adler, autobiography, 2011] All I remember is that the next time I saw Steve was in court, because he sued us, which seemed asinine. He was in such bad shape that I knew what he was doing when he headed to the bathroom in the middle of the proceedings. He sued us for a couple of million buck for a glitch in the execution of his sobriety contract. He needed to have an attorney present when he signed it, and he hadn't had one. Of course, thanks to our attorneys, we didn't know this. I was shocked when I found out that Steven won his lawsuit and we had to pay him two million bucks [Slash, autobiography, 2007] The biggest check I got handed to me, it didn’t come in the mail, uh, was two million two hundred fifty thousand dollars. ($ 2,250,000.00). It wasn't the pay off, it was what they owed me. And I got all my royalties back, and I got my (in-audible), I got everything back. They took every, wanted, they wanted to give me two thousand dollars and throw me in the street. And take my royalties, my song writing credits, they wanted to take everything from me. I got my two million two hundred fifty thousand dollars. That was already owed to me from when the lawsuit – whole thing was going on, and got all my royalties and rights back. I get 15% of everything. [Steven Adler, Metal Sludge, 2006] This whole cockamamie thing about “they didn’t pay me my royalties” is bullshit. He was paid his royalties and in fact he was paid composer royalties that he didn’t deserve. That was a courtesy bestowed on him by the rest of the band in a sense of all for one and one for all. [Alan Niven, quoted in Mick Wall, Last Of The Giants, 2016] And from a Steven interview a few days ago: One day I just went, 'This isn't cool. I don't wanna do this anymore,'" he said of his decision to quit doing drugs. "And I didn't realize that if you're doing heroin and then you stop doing it, you get violently sick — violently sick. Like, the inside of your bones ache — the inside of your every bone, it aches so bad and you just wanna die. And I called my manager and I said, 'Dude, I'm so fucking sick. I don't understand what's going on.' So he came and picked me up, he took me to this doctor, and the doctor gave me an opiate blocker. Well, you're not supposed to take an opiate blocker while you have opiates in your system or you get even more violently sick. Three days go by, and I'm calling a doctor and I'm going, 'What the fuck did you do to me?' And, like, four days go by, and [GUNS N' ROSES guitarist] Slash called and said, 'Well, we're going in the studio to record 'Civil War'.' And I said, 'Dude, I'm so sick. Please, can we just wait one more week? I'm so sick.' And he said, 'We can't waste the money. We've gotta do this song.' So I go in at A&M Records to record, and I'm so weak and sick. And I did my best, but I had to play, like, 25 times. So they were getting frustrated. And I kept telling them, 'I'm sick.' And they kept saying, 'No, you're not. You're just fucked up.' And I said, 'I'm not fucked up. I'm sick.' And I got kicked out. (...) Once I got kicked out of GN'R, I had to sign this contract. They took everything from me. I didn't know that. Then I had to take them to court. [Steven Adler interview, "Mom, It's Not Devil Music!", transcribed by Blabbermouth, February 5 2018] -------------------------------- CONCLUSIONS IN SORT 1. Having Steven sign the contract, demoting him to an employee and subsequently firing him was a collective decision of the band and management, even if some members (Izzy specifically) were more hesitant about his firing. 2. The main claim in Steven's lawsuit was that he signed the contract without having a clear mind and knowing its terms, so it was invalid. Since, as it seems, he wasn't represented by his own attorney when he signed it, the jury would probably rule in favour of him (as there was a conflict of interests and he couldn't be represented by the band's lawyers); so the band had to go to an out of court settlement and pay him. 3. Despite of what Steven has said, it doesn't seem that the contract touched his publishing rights (i.e. the rights to royalties from songwriting and performing credits), since he continued receiving his 15% of publishing royalties. He also continued receiving royalties corresponding to his 20% share in the partnership for the recordings released during the time he was an equal partner, as is evident from this clause in the 1992 partnership agreement: What seems to have been the case is that there were clauses in the contract Steven signed with which, besides being demoted to an employee and having to pay fines for every day he was still on drugs, he gave up some of his rights as a leaving partner and mostly his right to sell his share/be bought out.
  11. 16 points
  12. 15 points
    Might be crazy but imagine this scenario... Axl releases a GNR album and ACDC album at the same time. GNR and ACDC tour together to show off the new material with an all star set in between with Slash and Angus and Axl and the rest playing a few of their favorite songs. Axl and Duff perform on both sets to fill in the gaps. Pros: you can do this tour without relying on old material. A few classics in both sets but nothing big. Each set is an hour and a half that focuses heavily on new material. The two names together sell out stadiums across the globe and Axl does the impossible! Might be one of the coolest ideas I’ve ever come up with
  13. 15 points
  14. 15 points
    Someone just asked Duff in the comments if his two good friends are Axl and Slash.
  15. 15 points
    Voice, melodies, lyrics, stage presence. The guy is a nothing, he is just there doing his little job. I dont know about the other bands he is in, but with Slash...? Bland as fuck.
  16. 15 points
    Yeah, you can read it on your Eye lens computer while listen to the new Music in your flying car.
  17. 14 points
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  20. 13 points
    He says there will be another Slash + Myles record. Sure that's a spoiler, but I think you'll enjoy the whole interview Enjoy! Calling in from Las Vegas right before a gig with Gene Simmons, is Todd "Dammit" Kerns. While Todd has had success with his Canadian band, Age of Electric, his life forever changed nearly 8 years ago when he was asked to join Slash featuring Myles Kennedy and the Conspirators. We talk to Todd what it was like growing up in the small province of Saskatchewan to eventually meeting Slash while they filmed the You Could Be Mine video. So we follow the path of Todd meeting a younger Slash to now traveling the world in the same band with him. Todd answers YOUR questions (featuring a celebrity ques!), including what does the future hold for Slash, Myles Kennedy and the Conspirators? All this and so much more! Please follow/subscribe/leave a review!
  21. 13 points
    Slash’s son band (Classless Act) will opening for Adler’s Appetite. Their first GIG ever.
  22. 13 points
    Without the glasses he'd look like Beaker
  23. 13 points
    Fortus is technically a better player than Slash, Izzy, Angus, Malcolm. But those guys are all rock god's. They wrote some of the best riffs, solos, songs, albums in history. When somebody picks up a guitar, do you want them to play a rocking song or watch them sweep pick some arpeggios? This is an issue that comes up again and again on this forum. Bucket, Bumble and Fortus are great players who barely have a good original song, riff or solo between them.
  24. 13 points
    Meegan's latest IG story made me cry because she wished Axl a happy birthday and said "WE love you".
  25. 13 points
  26. 13 points
    That's a bad pic of him....almost all of us take bad pics at times. This is also a recent pic of him. Just sayin...
  27. 13 points
    All this talk about radio just confirms how big this band is. Otherwise, they wouldn't be able to make this NITLT one of the most successful tours in history. No songs playing on the radios,no videos, no new album to promote, no press and without the label's magic wand..and still they are able to make thousands of people leave their homes, pay a good money for a ticket to go see them. So if you want a good example of what is a "permanent A list rock group" just take a look to GNR.
  28. 12 points
    That fan must’ve asked Axl about new music
  29. 12 points
    Oh Slash, so cute And thank you, Meegan, for keeping the Slaxl alive Anyway... HAPPY BIRTHDAY PRINCE AXL 🎂🎂🎉🎉🎉 Share your cake!!!
  30. 12 points
    Why the fuck are people talking about Myles in a thread about a potential new album? Lol.
  31. 12 points
    His professionalism we've seen over the last couple of years. He's worked really hard and kept his head down, producing something tangible. To see how far he's come from the late 90s/early 2000s where he seemingly had a few issues in his personal life. He could have just stayed elusive, but he turned his reputation around in the most admirable way. Didn't apologise for anything, just got on with delivering for AC/DC and GN'R.
  32. 11 points
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  35. 11 points
    Jesus fucking Christ. Whats wrong with you people? I wanna check this thread for fucking album updates and all i see is some kiddies constantly arguing about who is better than who? Goddamnit..
  36. 11 points
    This! Plus, I love you, would be weird and Slash loves you would make this thread explode. She did well going with the WE
  37. 11 points
    No one's making excuses. There are just different opinions. Some think Axl looks fine, others, like you, think he looks like shit. It's subjective. No one's talking about a bad day by the way, but about bad pictures. You could have a great picture taken one moment and a horrible one the next. That's what I meant anyway.
  38. 11 points
    would of course be easier if you lived in L.A. Teenagers are worse than small children to support, but you can leave them alone and do your own thing to a larger extent. If I want to go to a concert abroad I have to ask my husband and my mother for help (stay at home, bring her to kindergarten and so on). If I go to the fitness center or to the stadium (I am a football fan) my husband or mother have to take care of her... I hope when she is a teenager we can go together to see Guns. She likes their music Greetings to all the moms who have so many things to take care of! Dont forget to do something for yourself too.
  39. 11 points
    This discussion is so depressing and so disappointing. Come on ladies, we can’t just keep blaming Axl for Steven not being a bigger part of NITL. There are so many other components related to the business side of things that we as fans have no fucking clue about, that may have led to a COLLECTIVE decision. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Axl is a saint or directly defending him, but damn can we take the needle off the record already.
  40. 11 points
    Sorry, the only thing that equals GN'R music before June is the album in my hand around May.
  41. 11 points
    Well, the chat with Mitch Lafon went like this. Me: Hey Mitch, any chance of a new Gnr record in the near future??? Mitch: I believe so. Me: Is it a wish o do you know for certain???? Mitch: Nothing is ever certain, but the smoke is there.
  42. 10 points
    "We don't know how to prevent this happening" says only country in the world where this is a regular occurrence.
  43. 10 points
    Oh please no. I love Steven, but I don’t love the idea of GNR getting back to their roots, the whole idea seems so fucking cheesy and derivative. Axl, Slash and Duff are not the same people they were 30-25 years ago. Frank, Dizzy, Fortus and Melissa are in the band now. I find it more exciting to find out what they can create as a colaborative effort instead of them going back trying to recreate something that worked 30 years ago and would only get dads excited nowadays. Moving forward is the key, not backwards.
  44. 10 points
    Look on the bright side: it will have good vocals; it will be a meaty rock n' roll album; furthermore it will be released. Neither of those things are highly probably under the circumstance of this being a Guns N' Roses record.
  45. 10 points
    Doesnt change the fact that most of the people that dislike current Slash solo material do so because the vocals sound like a whiny screaming kitty running away from a big bad dog. Who cares for technic and education when you still sound like that? Just the geeks and nerds, its just rnr.
  46. 10 points
    Tomorrow hopefully He wasn't able to come today. I hung out with Todd and Brent. Always a good time with those two. Brent and I went around looking at drum stuff. Also @janrichmond and anyone else who cares, SMKC album is definitely still happening.
  47. 10 points
    I just had to hide almost 2 pages of personal arguments & bickering. Let me be 100% transparent about this: No one on this staff has time to manage personal agendas against any other user. If you can't get along with another users, put them on ignore. This has been suggested several times and no one seems to listen. Writing walls of texts in PMs to staff members, then sending similar messages to other staff members when you don't like the answer will not help either. Every staff member here dedicates their personal time to this forum and we cannot afford to spend more due to childish behavior and schoolyard antics. This has come to a point where the staff is already in discussions of possibly shutting this thread down for good. If you are guilty of any of the above behavior, you need to seriously consider your actions going forward because you are about to be the cause of ruining it for everyone else.
  48. 10 points
    Hello everyone - I'm new to this forum and signed up purely for this Izzy appreciation thread. Like most, I'd love to see him play with GNR again in the right circumstances but I honestly would just prefer some new music from Izzy as well as a solo show(s) somewhere in the world (my credit card is poised and waiting) - I'd love to see him live again. Anyway - hello! Sara
  49. 10 points
    ..the real GNR drummer! I wished he could participate again full or part time in some shows. Duff wished him a happy birthday on twitter. not sure about duff s feelings. wasn t it him who called stevie to tell him he is out of the nitl tour? Wish Steven all the best.
  50. 10 points
    LOOOL There go Ulysses and Shakespeare. In comes the groupie who fucked them all.
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