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    ok guys, to clear up the widespread confusion at least a little bit, the time has come for me to share my - still provisional - table. using all available sources I could find, I tried to collect as much information about GNR (including Rapidfire and Hollywood Rose) studio sessions and recorded tracks, as possible. 80's era is not perfect, but pretty well done. 90's era is a mess, I've only been able to find little relevant info. and of course Chinese Democracy era is a total mess, so I just sorted the known releases and leaks into a chronological order. MASSIVE credits to everyone who helped me putting this sheet together! any informations is always subject to change. YOUR OPINIONS ARE WELCOME! Original unofficial recording source Best sounding unofficial recording source Official releases Rapidfire (existed at least between a show on March 20 and the last show May 28, 1983): Ready To Rumble recording Sessions - Telstar Sound Studio, Burbank, CA, May 25, 1983 01 Ready to Rumble N/A N/A Ready To Rumble EP 02 All Night Long N/A N/A Ready To Rumble EP 03 The Prowler N/A N/A Ready To Rumble EP 04 On the Run N/A N/A Ready To Rumble EP 05 Closure N/A N/A Ready To Rumble EP Hollywood Rose (formed as AXL before Jan 1984, renamed to Rose, finally renamed to Hollywood Rose in late Apr 1984): (Rose/HR first show Jan 3rd 1984, last show Aug 31st 1984, Sep-Dec disbanded, Dec 31st reunion show, followed by last show on March 7, 1985) Rose Demos - "Recorded January 1984 in Hollywood, California" 01 Shadow Of Your Love "1983 Rose Demo" claimed to be from Johnny Kreis "Rose Demo" from Rick Mars' original tape The Roots Of Guns N' Roses (including two remixes) 02 My Way Your Way (later "Anything Goes") "1983 Rose Demo" claimed to be from Johnny Kreis "Rose Demo" from Rick Mars' original tape The Roots Of Guns N' Roses (including two remixes) 03 Reckless Life (also originally called "Wreckless") "1983 Rose Demo" claimed to be from Johnny Kreis "Rose Demo" from Rick Mars' original tape The Roots Of Guns N' Roses (including two remixes) 04 Rocker "Rose Demo" from Rick Mars' original tape "Rose Demo" from Rick Mars' original tape The Roots Of Guns N' Roses (including two remixes) 05 Killing Time "Rose Demo" from Rick Mars' original tape "Rose Demo" from Rick Mars' original tape The Roots Of Guns N' Roses (including two remixes) 06 Killing Time (Slower take, incomplete) "Rose Demo" from Rick Mars' original tape "Rose Demo" from Rick Mars' original tape N/A 07 That Something (song sometimes also called "Out Of Control", take with Axl on vocals) "Rose Demo" from Rick Mars' original tape "Rose Demo" from Rick Mars' original tape N/A 08 Cold Hard Cash (song sometimes also called "Cold Hearted") "Rose Demo" from Rick Mars' original tape "Rose Demo" from Rick Mars' original tape N/A That Something (originally called "Taxi Driver", different take without Axl on vocals, might be Izzy) LOSSY MP3 SOURCE (session uncertain) "1983 Rose Demo" claimed to be from Johnny Kreis "1983 Rose Demo" claimed to be from Johnny Kreis N/A "Rose rehearsal" - at earliest late 1983, but more likely early 1984 to April 1984 at latest (when they still called themselves Rose) Anything Goes LOSSY MP3 SOURCE Metal Sludge recording Metal Sludge recording N/A (unknown song) LOSSY MP3 SOURCE Metal Sludge recording Metal Sludge recording N/A Cold Hard Cash (2 attempts) LOSSY MP3 SOURCE Metal Sludge recording Metal Sludge recording N/A (unknown song) LOSSY MP3 SOURCE Metal Sludge recording Metal Sludge recording N/A Guns N' Roses (formed very shortly after the last Mar 7th, 1985 Hollywood Rose show): (first pre-AFD lineup show Mar 26th, last one May 12th, first AFD lineup show Jun 6, 1985) Willie Basse's studio GNR rehearsal #4 (with Tracii Guns, Rob Gardner and #1 with Duff McKagan) - before March 7th and 21st/22nd, 1985 Don't Cry Raz Cue 21st or 22nd March, 1985 radio interview Raz Cue 21st or 22nd March, 1985 radio interview N/A Anything Goes Raz Cue 21st or 22nd March, 1985 radio interview Raz Cue 21st or 22nd March, 1985 radio interview N/A Think About You Raz Cue 21st or 22nd March, 1985 radio interview Raz Cue 21st or 22nd March, 1985 radio interview N/A *MISSING* Heartbreak Hotel (Elvis Presley cover) *MISSING* (confirmed to have been rehearsed in the interview, altough maybe not in this exact rehearsal) N/A N/A N/A Appetite Sessions (note: AFD lineup also did session or rehearsal at Sunset Sound Studios, but content is unknown and date was before January 1987): Mystic Sound Studio, Selma Avenue, Hollywood, CA 90028, August 1985. 1. Welcome To The Jungle Second Take Demos Izzy Stranded tape Appetite For Destruction L&L bonus cassette 2. Anything Goes Second Take Demos Izzy Stranded tape Appetite For Destruction L&L bonus cassette 3. Don't Cry Second Take Demos Izzy Stranded tape Don't Cry CDS, Appetite For Destruction L&L bonus cassette 4. Back Off Bitch Second Take Demos Izzy Stranded tape Appetite For Destruction L&L bonus cassette 5. Think About You - sounds a bit differently than the previous ones but is from the same session cassette? Izzy Stranded tape Appetite For Destruction L&L bonus cassette *MISSING* Heartbreak Hotel (Elvis Presley cover) *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] N/A N/A N/A West Arkeen "Hell House" Demos - 1139 N Fuller Avenue, Los Angeles, CA, Sept. 1985-Early 1986 01 Just Another Sunday (not from West Arkeen Tape, but presumably from same session because it’s in the intro for Bring It Down Home) Second Take Demos The Story Vol. I N/A 02 Crash Diet Second Take Demos The Story Vol. I N/A 03 The Garden Second Take Demos The Story Vol. I N/A 04 Too Much Too Fast (correct title according to West Arkeen Tape) Second Take Demos The Story Vol. I N/A *MISSING* Sunny Lovers Day *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (West Arkeen song from West Arkeen Tape) N/A N/A N/A *MISSING* Walk On By *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (West Arkeen song from West Arkeen Tape) N/A N/A N/A *MISSING* Martyr Of The 20th Century *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (West Arkeen song from West Arkeen Tape) N/A N/A N/A 05 Bad Obsession Second Take Demos The Story Vol. I N/A 06 Bring It Down Home (correct title according to West Arkeen Tape liner) Second Take Demos The Story Vol. I N/A 07 Sentimental Movie Second Take Demos The Story Vol. I N/A *MISSING* Second Time Loser *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (West Arkeen song from West Arkeen Tape) N/A N/A N/A *MISSING* Drinkin’ *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (West Arkeen song from West Arkeen Tape) N/A N/A N/A *MISSING* Make Your Play *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (West Arkeen song from West Arkeen Tape) N/A N/A N/A 08 Yesterdays Second Take Demos The Story Vol. I N/A 09 Crash Diet (Alternate Mix) (not from West Arkeen Tape, but presumably remixed from the same track) The Hell Revisited The Hell Revisited N/A 10 Drum Machine Instrumental #1 (not from West Arkeen Tape, but presumably from same drum machine sessions) The Hell Revisited The Hell Revisited N/A 11 Drum Machine Instrumental #2 (‘The Garden’ Song Sketch) (not from West Arkeen Tape, but presumably from same drum machine sessions) The Hell Revisited The Hell Revisited N/A *MISSING* It's So Easy *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (originally from West Arkeen sessions, written on acoustic guitars) N/A N/A N/A Manny Charlton produced Sound City Sessions -> June 4-5 1986, Sound City Studios, Van Nuys, CA (other sources said June 2-4) 01 Out Ta Get Me (Take #1) Welcome To The Sessions The Story Vol. I + .44 Horticulture (Intro patch) Appetite For Destruction SDE *MISSING* Out Ta Get Me (Any Additional Takes) *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (might not exist, but above track is named “Take #1”) N/A N/A N/A 02 Rocket Queen (Take #1) Welcome To The Sessions The Story Vol. I + Hell Revisited (Intro patch) Appetite For Destruction SDE 03 Rocket Queen (Take #2) .44 Horticulture The Hell Revisited N/A 04 Nightrain Welcome To The Sessions The Story Vol. I Appetite For Destruction SDE 05 My Michelle Welcome To The Sessions The Story Vol. I Appetite For Destruction SDE 06 You're Crazy Welcome To The Sessions The Story Vol. I Appetite For Destruction SDE 07 Paradise City Welcome To The Sessions The Story Vol. I Appetite For Destruction SDE 08 Move To The City (Take #1) Welcome To The Sessions November Rain + .44 Horticulture (Outro patch) Appetite For Destruction SDE *MISSING* Move To The City (Take #2) 3:25 *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] N/A N/A N/A 09 November Rain (Acoustic) Welcome To The Sessions Sessions Appetite For Destruction SDE 10 November Rain (Piano) Welcome To The Sessions Sessions Appetite For Destruction SDE 11 Shadow Of Your Love (Take #1 - "wake up, it’s time to play" version) Welcome To The Sessions The Hell Revisited Live And Let Die CDS, Appetite For Destruction SDE *MISSING* Shadow Of Your Love (Take #2) *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (different take from "wake up, it's time to play") N/A N/A N/A 12 Reckless Life Welcome To The Sessions Sessions Appetite For Destruction SDE 13 Think About You Welcome To The Sessions The Story Vol. I Appetite For Destruction SDE 14 Welcome To The Jungle ("you guys ready?" false start) Welcome To The Sessions The Hell Revisited Appetite For Destruction SDE, The Very Best Of Guns N' Roses (unreleased) 15 Don't Cry Welcome To The Sessions The Story Vol. I N/A Nice Boys (Take #1 or #2, Rose Tattoo cover) (session uncertain) N/A N/A American 80's Hair Metal, The Many Faces Of Guns N' Roses *MISSING* Nice Boys (Take #1 or #2, Rose Tattoo cover) *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] N/A N/A N/A 16 Nice Boys (Take #3, Rose Tattoo cover) (“no we’re not” version) Welcome To The Sessions The Story Vol. I Appetite For Destruction SDE 17 Back Off Bitch Welcome To The Sessions The Alan Niven 1986 Master Tapes Appetite For Destruction SDE 18 Anything Goes (Alternate lyrics) Welcome To The Sessions The Story Vol. I Appetite For Destruction SDE 19 Mama Kin (Aerosmith cover) Welcome To The Sessions Sessions Appetite For Destruction SDE Heartbreak Hotel (Take #1, Elvis Presley cover) ("Since my baby left me" intro) (session uncertain) N/A N/A Hollywood Rocks! 20 Heartbreak Hotel (Take #2, Elvis Presley cover) Welcome To The Sessions Sessions Appetite For Destruction SDE 21 Ain't Goin' Down (Instrumental) Welcome To The Sessions Sessions Appetite For Destruction SDE *MISSING* Jumpin’ Jack Flash (Electric Take #1, Rolling Stones cover) *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] N/A N/A N/A 22 Jumpin' Jack Flash (Electric Take #2, Rolling Stones cover) Welcome To The Sessions Sessions Appetite For Destruction SDE 23 Jumpin' Jack Flash (acoustic, Rolling Stones cover) Welcome To The Sessions Sessions Appetite For Destruction SDE 24 Move To The City (acoustic - "west coast junkie" intro) Welcome To The Sessions Rumbo Tapes Appetite For Destruction SDE 25 New Work Tune (previously known as "Untitled Song In Progress") (uncirculated before AFD SDE) (uncirculated before AFD SDE) Appetite For Destruction SDE 26 You're Crazy (acoustic) (uncirculated before AFD SDE) (uncirculated before AFD SDE) Appetite For Destruction SDE 27 The Plague (uncirculated before AFD SDE) (uncirculated before AFD SDE) Appetite For Destruction SDE *MISSING* Cornshucker Stomp *MISSING* N/A N/A N/A Pasha Studios, 5615 Melrose Avenue, Hollywood, CA - August (or October?) 1986 - first 2 tracks Spencer Proffer produced, the rest without him 01 Sweet Child O' Mine Metal Petals Metal Petals N/A 02 Nightrain (Alternate Intro) Metal Petals Metal Petals N/A 03 Jumpin’ Jack Flash (Rolling Stones cover) Metal Petals The Alan Niven 1986 Master Tapes N/A 04 You’re Crazy Metal Petals The Alan Niven 1986 Master Tapes N/A 05 Reckless Life Metal Petals The Alan Niven 1986 Master Tapes Suicide EP, Appetite For Destruction SDE (both w "fake crowd) 06 Heartbreak Hotel (Elvis Presley cover) Metal Petals The Alan Niven 1986 Master Tapes N/A 07 Shadow Of Your Love Metal Petals The Alan Niven 1986 Master Tapes ISE 12", Live From The Jungle EP, Appetite For Destruction SDE (all with "fake crowd") 08 Welcome To The Jungle Metal Petals The Alan Niven 1986 Master Tapes N/A 09 Move To The City Metal Petals The Alan Niven 1986 Master Tapes Suicide EP, Appetite For Destruction SDE (both w "fake crowd) 10 Mama Kin ("this is a song about your fuckin' mother" intro, Aerosmith cover) Metal Petals The Alan Niven 1986 Master Tapes Suicide EP, Appetite For Destruction SDE (both w "fake crowd) 11 Nice Boys (Rose Tattoo cover) Metal Petals Metal Petals Suicide EP, Appetite For Destruction SDE (both w "fake crowd) 12 Mr. Brownstone Metal Petals Metal Petals N/A 13 Don’t Cry Metal Petals Metal Petals N/A Clink Try-Out Session -> November 23 1986, Rumbo Recorders, Canoga Park, CA Shadow Of Your Love (uncirculated before AFD SDE) (uncirculated before AFD SDE) Appetite For Destruction SDE Unknown Date/Session - Unknown 1986/87? *MISSING* You Could Be Mine *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (might not exist) N/A N/A N/A Mike Clink AFD sessions: January 18th 1987 - March 23rd 1987 (Rumbo/Take One/Can Am Studios CA) + Mixing date May 1987 (Meda Sound NYC) 01 Welcome to the Jungle N/A N/A Appetite For Destruction, Appetite For Destruction SDE 02 It’s So Easy N/A N/A Appetite For Destruction, Appetite For Destruction SDE 03 Nightrain N/A N/A Appetite For Destruction, Appetite For Destruction SDE 04 Out Ta Get Me N/A N/A Appetite For Destruction, Appetite For Destruction SDE 05 Mr. Brownstone N/A N/A ISE 12" DJ promo (different mix), Appetite For Destruction, Appetite For Destruction SDE 06 Paradise City N/A N/A Appetite For Destruction, Appetite For Destruction SDE 07 My Michelle N/A N/A Appetite For Destruction, Appetite For Destruction SDE 08 Think About You N/A N/A Appetite For Destruction, Appetite For Destruction SDE 09 Sweet Child O’ Mine N/A N/A Appetite For Destruction, Appetite For Destruction SDE 10 You’re Crazy N/A N/A Appetite For Destruction, Appetite For Destruction SDE 11 Anything Goes N/A N/A Appetite For Destruction, Appetite For Destruction SDE 12 Rocket Queen N/A N/A Appetite For Destruction, Appetite For Destruction SDE (note: album version tracks were recorded in various studios - like guitars+vocals Take One, bass+drums Rumbo, and even this was not a rule of thumb) LIES Sessions (produced by Mike Clink): July 29 1987, Take One Studio, Burbank, CA (the 3 unreleased tracks are from unknown session, but it seems they could have been recorded at this one) 01 Patience N/A The Alan Niven Lies Sessions GNR Lies, Appetite For Destruction SDE One In A Million (alt. take) The Alan Niven Lies Sessions The Alan Niven Lies Sessions N/A You’re Crazy (alt. take)(date and studio uncertain - AFD SDE liner notes say Take One 87, but it usually is between "Rumbo" OIAM alt and UTLH alt) N/A The Alan Niven Lies Sessions Welcome To The Jungle CDS, Appetite For Destruction SDE Used To Love Her (alt. take) The Alan Niven Lies Sessions The Alan Niven Lies Sessions N/A Cornshucker The Alan Niven Lies Sessions The Alan Niven Lies Sessions N/A Rumbo Studios, Canoga Park, CA - January 1988 (some sources say August, but it doesn't seem likely due to many shows around the world) 04 One In A Million N/A N/A GNR Lies April 19-20 1988, Image Studio, Hollywood, CA (UTLH+YC 19th, MTTC 20th) 02 Used To Love Her N/A N/A GNR Lies, Appetite For Destruction SDE 03 You're Crazy N/A N/A GNR Lies, Appetite For Destruction SDE Move To The City (Acoustic) (uncirculated before AFD SDE) (uncirculated before AFD SDE) Appetite For Destruction SDE Pre-Use Your Illusions Sessions: *MISSING* Top Note Theatre, Chicago, IL rehearsal space, Jun-Jul 1989 *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (early UYI writing sessions) N/A N/A N/A Mates Rehearsal Studios - December 6, 1989 (without Axl, still with Steven Adler) 01 Don't Damn Me (Instrumental Take #1) Cass(1) Studio Mixing Board>Cass(M)>Cass(1) (Notch Filtered 1728 @ Q18.5 & two small dropouts fixed) N/A 02 Don't Damn Me (Instrumental Take #2) Cass(1) Studio Mixing Board>Cass(M)>Cass(1) (Notch Filtered 1728 @ Q18.5) N/A 03 Garden Of Eden (Instrumental) Cass(1) Studio Mixing Board>Cass(M)>Cass(1) (Notch Filtered 1728 @ Q18.5) N/A 04 Locomotive (Instrumental) Cass(1) Studio Mixing Board>Cass(M)>Cass(1) (Notch Filtered 1728 @ Q18.5) N/A 05 Dust N' Bones (Duff McKagan on Vocals) Cass(1) Studio Mixing Board>Cass(M)>Cass(1) (Notch Filtered 1728 @ Q18.5) N/A *MISSING* Bad Apples *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (some people claim to have more complete tape including this song) N/A N/A N/A *MISSING* Coma *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (some people claim to have more complete tape including this song) N/A N/A N/A *MISSING* (drummer sessions February - June 1990, including Jussi Tegelman, Adam Maples, Martin Chambers) *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] N/A N/A N/A Days of Thunder session - probably between April and June 1990, it seems like Matt Sorum was already around, mixes DAT says June 21st, DOT released June 26th Knockin' On Heaven's Door (Bob Dylan cover) N/A N/A Days of Thunder OST, Use Your Illusion II (edited version), Use Your Illusion (1998, further edited version) Unknown sessions or mixes - presumably these happened before or during the main Civil War sessions, circa April to June 1990 at latest Civil War (Instrumental)(HTGTH says Mates Rehearsal 89, but that's probably wrong) Ultra Rare Trax Vol. VI Utra Rare Trax Vol. VI (Notch Filtered 1728 @ Q18.5) N/A Civil War (overdubbed version from above) Ultra Rare Trax Vol. VI Utra Rare Trax Vol. VI (Notch Filtered 1728 @ Q18.5) N/A April-May or June 1990 Civil War sessions - A&M Studios/Take One Studios, Steven Adler on drums (fired July 11, 1990, Nobody's Child released July 23rd) Civil War N/A N/A Nobody's Child, Use Your Illusion II Main Use Your Illusions sessions: UYI: A&M Studios, Record Plant Studios, Studio 56, Image Recording, Conway Studios, Metalworks Recording Studios, Skip Saylor Recording (album mixing) TSI: A&M Studios, Record Plant Studios, Rumbo Recorders, CanAm Studios, Sound Techniques, Triad Studios, Conway Recording Studios, Ocean Way Recording basic tracks (drums, bass, Izzy) circa Aug-Sep 1990, lead guitar circa Sep-Nov 1990, vocals and fx circa Oct-Dec 1990, various overdubs circa Dec 1990 to August 1991 (note: tracks here are in album order, not in recording sessions order) Right Next Door to Hell N/A N/A Use Your Illusion I Dust N' Bones N/A N/A Use Your Illusion I Live and Let Die (Paul McCartney and Wings cover) N/A N/A Use Your Illusion I Don't Cry" (Original) N/A N/A Use Your Illusion I Perfect Crime N/A N/A Use Your Illusion I You Ain't the First N/A N/A Use Your Illusion I Bad Obsession N/A N/A Use Your Illusion I Back Off Bitch N/A N/A Use Your Illusion I Double Talkin' Jive N/A N/A Use Your Illusion I November Rain N/A N/A Use Your Illusion I The Garden N/A N/A Use Your Illusion I Garden of Eden N/A N/A Use Your Illusion I Don't Damn Me N/A N/A Use Your Illusion I Bad Apples N/A N/A Use Your Illusion I Dead Horse N/A N/A Use Your Illusion I Coma N/A N/A Use Your Illusion I 14 Years N/A N/A Use Your Illusion II Yesterdays N/A N/A Use Your Illusion II Get in the Ring N/A N/A Use Your Illusion II Shotgun Blues N/A N/A Use Your Illusion II Breakdown N/A N/A Use Your Illusion II Pretty Tied Up (The Perils of Rock n' Roll Decadence) N/A N/A Use Your Illusion II Locomotive (Complicity) N/A N/A Use Your Illusion II So Fine N/A N/A Use Your Illusion II Estranged N/A N/A Use Your Illusion II You Could Be Mine N/A N/A Use Your Illusion II Don't Cry (Alt. Lyrics) N/A N/A Use Your Illusion II Ain't Going Down N/A N/A GN'R Pinball Machine Attitude (with Izzy on guitar, Misfits cover) N/A N/A The Spaghetti Incident? New Rose (with Izzy on guitar, The Damned cover) N/A N/A The Spaghetti Incident? Black Leather (with Izzy on guitar, Steve Jones/The Sex Pistols cover) N/A N/A The Spaghetti Incident? Down On The Farm (with Izzy on guitar, U.K. Subs cover) N/A N/A The Spaghetti Incident? I Don't Care About You (with Izzy on guitar, Fear cover) N/A N/A The Spaghetti Incident? Ain't It Fun (Izzy NOT on guitar, Dead Boys cover) N/A N/A The Spaghetti Incident? My World (probably wasn't part of any of the main sessions and was made separately) N/A N/A Use Your Illusion II (over time, a huge number of DAT tapes with "snapshots" from mixing process existed. the following tracks thus are NOT demos, but mostly mixes of album tracks) Record Plant Recording Studios - September 21, 1990 (instrumental rough mixes) 01 Estranged (Instrumental) “Ruffs with New Slash Guitar” DAT “Ruffs with New Slash Guitar” DAT Use Your Illusion II* 02 Locomotive (Instrumental) “Ruffs with New Slash Guitar” DAT “Ruffs with New Slash Guitar” DAT Use Your Illusion II* 03 Breakdown (Instrumental) “Ruffs with New Slash Guitar” DAT “Ruffs with New Slash Guitar” DAT Use Your Illusion II* 04 The Garden (Instrumental) “Ruffs with New Slash Guitar” DAT “Ruffs with New Slash Guitar” DAT Use Your Illusion I* 05 Black Leather (Instrumental) (TSI album take with Izzy on guitar, Steve Jones/The Sex Pistols cover) “Ruffs with New Slash Guitar” DAT “Ruffs with New Slash Guitar” DAT The Spaghetti Incident?* 06 I Don’t Care About You (Instrumental) (TSI album take with Izzy on guitar, Fear cover) “Ruffs with New Slash Guitar” DAT “Ruffs with New Slash Guitar” DAT The Spaghetti Incident?* 07 Attitude (Instrumental) (TSI album take with Izzy on guitar, Misfits cover) “Ruffs with New Slash Guitar” DAT “Ruffs with New Slash Guitar” DAT The Spaghetti Incident?* 08 New Rose (Instrumental) (TSI album take with Izzy on guitar, The Damned cover) “Ruffs with New Slash Guitar” DAT “Ruffs with New Slash Guitar” DAT The Spaghetti Incident?* 09 14 Years (Alternate Lyrics & Alternate Outro, with Izzy on vocals & "Duff's new bass") “Ruffs with New Slash Guitar” DAT “Ruffs with New Slash Guitar” DAT N/A October 26th 1990 (rough mix) *MISSING* Estranged (rough mix) *MISSING* (known to exist but not circulating) "GN'R Rough Mixes" DAT "GN'R Rough Mixes" DAT Use Your Illusion II* October 30th 1990 (rough mix) *MISSING* Estranged (rough mix) *MISSING* (known to exist but not circulating) "GN'R Estranged Rough Mix" DAT "GN'R Estranged Rough Mix" DAT Use Your Illusion II* November 2nd 1990 (rough mix) *MISSING* Coma (Instrumental with Axl's notes where which vocals will go) *MISSING* (known to exist but not circulating) "GN'R Ruff with New Axl Vocal" DAT "GN'R Ruff with New Axl Vocal" DAT Use Your Illusion I* Mike Clink produced Record Plant Recording Studios - December 16, 1990 - January 16, 1991, cassette says January 18, 1991 01 November Rain (Original Mix) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT Use Your Illusion I* 02 November Rain (Q Sound Mix) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT N/A 03 Live and Let Die (Original Mix) (Paul McCartney and Wings cover) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT Use Your Illusion I* 04 Live and Let Die (Q Sound Mix) (Paul McCartney and Wings cover) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT N/A 05 Estranged (Original Mix) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT Use Your Illusion II* 06 Estranged (Q Sound Mix) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT N/A 07 Double Talkin' Jive (Original Mix) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT Use Your Illusion I* 08 Double Talkin' Jive (Q Sound Mix) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT N/A 09 You Ain't The First (Original Mix - Alternate Take) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT N/A 10 You Aint The First (Q Sound Mix - Alternate Take) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT N/A 11 Yesterdays (Original Mix) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT Use Your Illusion II* 12 Yesterdays (Q Sound Mix) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT N/A 13 Pretty Tied Up (Original Mix - Extended. Outro) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT Use Your Illusion II* 14 Pretty Tied Up (Q Sound Mix - Extended. Outro) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT N/A 15 You Could Be Mine (Original Mix) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT Use Your Illusion II* 16 You Could Be Mine (Q Sound Mix) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT N/A 17 Bad Apples (Original Mix) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT Use Your Illusion I* 18 Bad Apples (Q Sound Mix) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT N/A 19 Don't Cry (Original Lyrics) (Original Mix) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT Use Your Illusion I*, Don't Cry CDS* 20 Don't Cry (Original Lyrics) (Q Sound Mix) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT N/A 21 Don't Cry (Alternate Lyrics) (Original Mix) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT Use Your Illusion II*, Don't Cry CDS* 22 Don't Cry (Alternate Lyrics) (Q Sound Mix) “GN'R Mixes” DAT “GN'R Mixes” DAT N/A *MISSING* Bill Pryce mixes (March-July 1991) *MISSING* (known to exist but not circulating) RIght Next Door To Hell (Take 2) (date January 12th 1991 on the tape) "Bill Pryce Mixes 3/91" DAT "Bill Pryce Mixes 3/91" DAT Use Your Illusion I* RIght Next Door To Hell (Take 3) "Bill Pryce Mixes 3/91" DAT "Bill Pryce Mixes 3/91" DAT Use Your Illusion I* RIght Next Door To Hell (Take 4) "Bill Pryce Mixes 3/91" DAT "Bill Pryce Mixes 3/91" DAT Use Your Illusion I* RIght Next Door To Hell (Take 4) (likely the same take as above, just on a different tape) "Bill Pryce Mixes 3/91-4/91" DAT "Bill Pryce Mixes 3/91-4/91" DAT Use Your Illusion I* Shotgun Blues (Take 2) "Bill Pryce Mixes 3/91-4/91" DAT "Bill Pryce Mixes 3/91-4/91" DAT Use Your Illusion II* 14 Years (Take 4) "Bill Pryce Mixes 3/91-4/91" DAT "Bill Pryce Mixes 3/91-4/91" DAT Use Your Illusion II* Don't Cry (Original Lyrics)(Take 4) "Bill Pryce Mixes 3/91-4/91" DAT "Bill Pryce Mixes 3/91-4/91" DAT Use Your Illusion I*, Don't Cry CDS* Don't Cry (Alternate Lyrics)(Take 4) "Bill Pryce Mixes 3/91-4/91" DAT "Bill Pryce Mixes 3/91-4/91" DAT Use Your Illusion II*, Don't Cry CDS* Don't Cry (Demo)(presumably this was the old Mystic Studios 1985 track, with new mix for Don't Cry single released in Sep 1991) "Bill Pryce Mixes 3/91-4/91" DAT "Bill Pryce Mixes 3/91-4/91" DAT Don't Cry CDS* 14 Years (Take 6) ("as Take 4 with more Axl vocals") "Bill Pryce Mixes - 14 YEARS - 7.5.91" DAT "Bill Pryce Mixes - 14 YEARS - 7.5.91" DAT Use Your Illusion II* 14 Years (Take 7) ("as Take 4 with even more Axl vocals") "Bill Pryce Mixes - 14 YEARS - 7.5.91" DAT "Bill Pryce Mixes - 14 YEARS - 7.5.91" DAT Use Your Illusion II* Axl’s Advance Copy - Unknown date 1990-1991 (rough mixes of album versions, maybe from various dates) 01 Ain't Goin' Down "Axl's Advance Tape" "Axl's Advance Tape" GN'R Pinball Machine* 02 Get In The Ring (Instrumental) (Bridge lyrics only) "Axl's Advance Tape" "Axl's Advance Tape" Use Your Illusion II* 03 Dust N' Bones Axl's Advance Copy (LOSSY SOURCE) Axl's Advance Copy (LOSSY SOURCE) Use Your Illusion I* 04 Bad Obsession Axl's Advance Copy (LOSSY SOURCE) Axl's Advance Copy (LOSSY SOURCE) Use Your Illusion I* 05 Back Off Bitch Axl's Advance Copy (LOSSY SOURCE) Axl's Advance Copy (LOSSY SOURCE) Use Your Illusion I* 06 Double Talkin' Jive Axl's Advance Copy (LOSSY SOURCE) Axl's Advance Copy (LOSSY SOURCE) Use Your Illusion I* 07 November Rain Axl's Advance Copy (LOSSY SOURCE) Axl's Advance Copy (LOSSY SOURCE) Use Your Illusion I* 08 The Garden Axl's Advance Copy (LOSSY SOURCE) Axl's Advance Copy (LOSSY SOURCE) Use Your Illusion I* 09 Garden Of Eden Metal Petals (Live & Demos) Metal Petals (Live & Demos) Use Your Illusion I* 10 Don't Damn Me (Alternate vocal track) "Axl's Advance Tape" "Axl's Advance Tape" Use Your Illusion I* 11 Bad Apples Metal Petals (Live & Demos) Metal Petals (Live & Demos) Use Your Illusion I* 12 Dead Horse Axl's Advance Copy (LOSSY SOURCE) Axl's Advance Copy (LOSSY SOURCE) Use Your Illusion I* 13 Coma (without quotes) Metal Petals (Live & Demos) Metal Petals (Live & Demos) Use Your Illusion I* 14 Civil War Axl's Advance Copy (LOSSY SOURCE) Axl's Advance Copy (LOSSY SOURCE) Use Your Illusion II* Mike Clink produced Metalworks Recording Studios, Toronto, Canada - June 9-10, 1991 (probably vocal overdubs and effects) Get In The Ring N/A N/A Use Your Illusion I* (with fake crowd recorded during June 10th show in Saratoga) Later sessions (various sessions for The Spaghetti Incident? tracks, solo sessions): Recording sessions probably for Duff's solo album - Triad Studios, Redmond, WA between 14-17 of July 1991 You Can't Put Your Arms Around A Memory (confirmed in 1991 interview, Johnny Thunders cover) N/A N/A The Spaghetti Incident? Unknown Recording Session - 1992 Love Theme From The Godfather (also originally known as "Speak Softly, Love" by Nino Rota) N/A N/A The Kid Stays In The Picture OST Sound Techniques Inc., Boston, MA - March 1993 Since I Don't Have You (The Skyliners cover) N/A N/A The Spaghetti Incident? Also recorded after UYI sessions, that is later during UYI tour: Human Being (New York Dolls cover, recorded during UYI tour with Gilby, sometimes between 1992 and 1993) N/A N/A The Spaghetti Incident? Hair Of The Dog (Nazareth cover, recorded during UYI tour with Gilby, sometimes between 1992 and 1993) N/A N/A The Spaghetti Incident? Raw Power (The Stooges cover, recorded during UYI tour with Gilby, sometimes between 1992 and 1993) N/A N/A The Spaghetti Incident? Buick Makane (T. Rex cover, recorded during UYI tour or little after it) N/A N/A The Spaghetti Incident? *MISSING* Down On The Street (instrumental, The Stooges cover) *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] N/A N/A N/A *MISSING* Beer And Cigarette (instrumental, Hanoi Rocks cover) *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] N/A N/A N/A Look At Your Game, Girl (Charles Manson cover, recorded May 1993 or later - likely after UYI Tour ended in July 1993, only by Axl, Dizzy and Carlos Booy) N/A N/A The Spaghetti Incident? *MISSING* This I Love (Axl's piano instrumental) *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (around London or Paris show 1992, or Sydney 1993) N/A N/A N/A early sketch of Back And Forth Again (excerpt can be heard during the Making of Estranged documentary) N/A N/A Making of Estranged The Complex Studio, LA sessions - until March or April 1994 (probably Slash, Duff, Matt and Gilby) N/A N/A N/A Unknown Recording Session at Rumbo Recorders, Canoga Park - October 1994 - produced by Mike Clink Sympathy For The Devil (Rolling Stones cover) N/A N/A Interview With The Vampire OST, Sympathy For The Devil CDS Unknown sessions - January 1995 (with Zakk Wylde) N/A N/A N/A Unknown studio recording by Duff and Izzy - around April 1995 *MISSING* "10 pieces" including Down By The Ocean or Down By The Sea, Machine Gun (at least 3 takes) and Tooth Puller (the latter two dated April 18 1995) *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] N/A N/A N/A The Complex Studio, LA (?) sessions - before or around June 1996 ("the folky nonsense" - The Shadow Company with various others) N/A N/A N/A Unknown sessions - around August 1996 (Slash, Duff and others - "the next Jackie Chan movie") N/A N/A N/A "Live Era" - produced by Del James Live Era sessions [NOT INCLUDED for obvious reasons] N/A N/A Live Era '87-'93 Chinese Democracy "eras" (note: only officially released tracks are available in lossless quality; all the "leaks" are LOSSY): 1998-1999 studio sessions (Rumbo Studios confirmed in early 1998) *MISSING* AFD'99 *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (multiple re-recording are known to have been done, Sean Beavan NOT involved) N/A N/A N/A Sweet Child O' Mine (partly from the AFD'99 sessions, produced by Sean Beavan) N/A N/A Big Daddy (not part of the OST) *MISSING* Prostitute, Madagascar (probably instrumentals only) *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (confirmed to be produced by Youth Jan-Sep 1998) N/A N/A N/A 1999 Oh My God recording - produced by Sean Beavan (he got onboard in Sep 1999, left very early 2000) Oh My God N/A N/A End of Days OST "1999 demos" - probably produced by Sean Beavan (Brian May recordings around Christmas 1999) Catcher in The Rye (with Brian May guitar) (leaked Feb 28, 2006) (leaked Feb 28, 2006) N/A IRS (leaked May 27, 2006) (leaked May 27, 2006) N/A There Was A Time (leaked May 27, 2006) (leaked May 27, 2006) N/A "Checkmate" (provisional title Jackie Chan) (leaked May 27, 2006, excerpt only) (leaked May 27, 2006, excerpt only) N/A *MISSING* Atlas Shrugged (with Brian May guitar) *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] N/A N/A N/A *MISSING* "The Beavan album" *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE](rumored to be done and ready in early 2000) N/A N/A N/A "2001 demos" - probably produced by Roy Thomas Baker (he joined at latest in April 2000, dismissed in February 2002) Madagascar (leaked Nov 12, 2017) (leaked Nov 12, 2017) N/A The Blues (leaked Jun 10, 2018) (leaked Jun 10, 2018) N/A There Was A Time (leaked Jun 10, 2018) (leaked Jun 10, 2018) N/A *MISSING* "The Roy Thomas Baker album" *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (probably done sometime in 2002) N/A N/A N/A "2002 era" Boston/Albany radio promo (snippets of Chinese Democracy, Madagascar and The Blues) + tour promo videos (only Chinese Democracy and Madagascar) N/A N/A captures of the promos + tour promo videos "2006 leaked demos" IRS (played on Piazza-Trunk Aug 30, 2003) (leaked Feb 15, 2006) N/A There Was A Time (short version) (leaked Feb 17, 2006) (leaked Feb 17, 2006) N/A There Was A Time (long version) (leaked Feb 17, 2006) (leaked Feb 17, 2006) N/A Better (leaked Feb 22, 2006) (leaked Feb 22, 2006) N/A IRS (instrumental) (leaked Mar 10, 2006) (leaked Mar 10, 2006) N/A There Was A Time (short version instrumental) (leaked Mar 15, 2006) (leaked Mar 15, 2006) N/A There Was A Time (long version instrumental) (leaked Mar 14, 2006) (leaked Mar 14, 2006) N/A Better (instrumental) (leaked Mar 08, 2006) (leaked Mar 08, 2006) N/A "2006 Bumblefoot guitar overlays" - BBF received an older demo track to lay guitar upon, shortly after he joined (May 2006) Going Down (leaked Aug 16, 2013) (leaked Aug 16, 2013) N/A Oh My God (leaked Dec 09, 2013, excerpt only) (leaked Jun 07, 2018) N/A Silkworms (leaked Dec 09, 2013, excerpt only) (leaked Jun 08, 2018) N/A *MISSING* Atlas Shrugged *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] N/A N/A N/A "2007 leaked demos" Better (probably the same as officially un-released via Harley Davidson commercial) (leaked Feb 20, 2007) (leaked Feb 20, 2007) Harley Davidson commercial Madagascar (leaked Mar 29, 2007) (leaked Mar 29, 2007) N/A Chinese Democracy (leaked May 05, 2007) (leaked May 05, 2007) N/A The Blues (leaked May 05, 2007) (leaked May 05, 2007) N/A IRS (leaked May 05, 2007) (leaked May 05, 2007) N/A There Was A Time (leaked May 06, 2007) (leaked May 06, 2007) N/A *MISSING* Rhiad And The Bedouins *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (reported by Classic Rock - unsure if from the same batch as leaks) N/A N/A N/A *MISSING* Prostitute *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (reported by Classic Rock - unsure if from the same batch as leaks) N/A N/A N/A *MISSING* Atlas Shrugged (with Brian May on guitar) *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (reported by Classic Rock - unsure if from the same batch as leaks) N/A N/A N/A *MISSING* Silkworms *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (reported by Classic Rock - unsure if from the same batch as leaks) N/A N/A N/A "2008 Antiquiet leaks" Chinese Democracy (leaked Jun 18, 2008) (leaked Jun 18, 2008) N/A IRS (leaked Jun 18, 2008) (leaked Jun 18, 2008) N/A Madagascar (leaked Jun 18, 2008) (leaked Jun 18, 2008) N/A The Blues (leaked Jun 18, 2008) (leaked Jun 18, 2008) N/A There Was A Time (leaked Jun 18, 2008) (leaked Jun 18, 2008) N/A Rhiad And The Bedouins (as "New Song #1") (leaked Jun 18, 2008) (leaked Jun 18, 2008) N/A Prostitute (as "New Song #2") (leaked Jun 18, 2008) (leaked Jun 18, 2008) N/A If The World (as "New Song #3") (leaked Jun 18, 2008) (leaked Jun 18, 2008) N/A Shackler's Revenge (as "Chicken Dinner") - not neccessarily from the same "batch" as the others (leaked Aug 14, 2008) (leaked Aug 14, 2008) N/A Chinese Democracy album versions - released November 2008 01 Chinese Democracy N/A N/A Chinese Democracy, Rock Band 4 DLC 02 Shackler's Revenge N/A N/A Rock Band 2, Chinese Democracy 03 Better N/A N/A Chinese Democracy, Rock Band 4 DLC 04 Street of Dreams (renamed from The Blues) N/A N/A Chinese Democracy, Rock Band 4 DLC 05 If The World N/A N/A Body Of Lies (not part of the OST), Chinese Democracy, Rock Band 4 DLC 06 There Was A Time N/A N/A Chinese Democracy, Rock Band 4 DLC 07 Catcher In The Rye N/A N/A Chinese Democracy, Rock Band 4 DLC 08 Scraped (renamed from Lies They Tell) N/A N/A Chinese Democracy, Rock Band 4 DLC 09 Riad N' The Bedouins (unsure if this has always been the real name, or renamed from Rhiad And The Bedouins) N/A N/A Chinese Democracy, Rock Band 4 DLC 10 Sorry N/A N/A Chinese Democracy, Rock Band 4 DLC 11 IRS N/A N/A Chinese Democracy, Rock Band 4 DLC 12 Madagascar N/A N/A Chinese Democracy, Rock Band 4 DLC 13 This I Love N/A N/A Chinese Democracy, Rock Band 4 DLC 14 Prostitute N/A N/A Chinese Democracy, Rock Band 4 DLC *MISSING* Atlas Shrugged *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (was almost included on the album but didn't fit in the end) N/A N/A N/A "Bumblefoot Barefoot EP sessions" - summer or fall 2008 Better (recorded together with other songs, released on Barefoot EP) (leaked Aug 16, 2013) (leaked Aug 16, 2013) N/A "DJ Ashba tracks" - summer or fall 2009 Better (leaked Aug 16, 2013) (leaked Aug 16, 2013) N/A Ballad of Death (guitar solo) (leaked Dec 09, 2013, excerpt only) (leaked Jun 26, 2018) N/A Mi Amor (guitar solo) (leaked Dec 09, 2013, excerpt only) (leaked Jun 26, 2018) N/A Brain remixes - at least April 2009 to roughly 2010 (at least some of those confirmed to be a collaboration with Melissa Reese) Shackler's Revenge (leaked Dec 09, 2013, excerpt only) (leaked Jun 26, 2018) N/A If The World (leaked Dec 09, 2013, excerpt only) (leaked Jun 26, 2018) N/A Prostitute (leaked as "Blood In The Water") (leaked May 07, 2012) (leaked May 07, 2012) N/A Better (leaked as "Better Gone") - submitted by Brain to Fernando at Christmas 2009 (leaked Jan 2012) (leaked Jan 2012) N/A This I Love (leaked Dec 09, 2013, excerpt only) (leaked Jun 10, 2018) N/A *MISSING* Unknown remix *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE] (Brain reportedly made 6 remixes but it's not known which was the sixth song) N/A N/A N/A
  2. 52 points
  3. 43 points
  4. 39 points
    My buddy interviewed Slash earlier today. During the interview Slash confirms that a new GNR record is in the works. He also comments on the rumors that he was at Axl's house recently. Take a listen and discuss https://wrif.com/episodes/talkin-rock-with-slash/
  5. 34 points
    If Tenderness was the best 11 songs out of 70 he had written, I hope Duff get's zero writing input on any new music.
  6. 33 points
    The rock guys remain completely untouched by the Me Too movement. In part because it was always part of their persona’s in the first place and in part because the insane groupie scene muddied the waters to an crazy extent. Duff climbed into this shit of his own volition because he is the most image hungry guy in the group. Duff’s “persona” is very important to him and his persona is that of a college educated dude who started a wealth management group to help other musicians and spends his time being a good husband, great father, and punk as funk. In reality of course, he has no college degree, his wealth management company never existed or even got off the ground, he’s been married three times and he’s using his wealth and parenting skills to turn his young daughters into Instagram-y Rockstar/models. His punk as fuck aesthetic is simply that, an aesthetic- wearing leather pants in front of his mansion/private jet/yacht. Duff is pretending the 80's never happened but Duff pretends a lot. He's actually kind of sad. He works his ass off for this persona because he is the forgotten member of the Big Three. It’s really more the Big Two and some other guy.
  7. 33 points
    Not Ending In This Lifetime Tour
  8. 30 points
    As long as Izzy doesn't say anything, he can still be the fantasy Izzy that people here make him out to be. What do we know for a fact about Izzy? That he left them before, that he doesn't tour (extensively) and that he doesn't like the circus of a giant GNR world tour. But somehow people are convinced Izzy's not on a huge world tour just for monetary reasons People believe what they want to believe. And Axl saying Izzy's Izzy is twisted in something negative. As for Duff: he's a great guy, he tours, is nice to fans, does charity, releases new music, talks to the press. But no, here, he is the big evil guy they have to shit on 24/7 while Izzy who's gone AWOL for years, is god. Lol. This isn't a knock on Izzy, btw, you don't have to hate Izzy to like Duff/Axl/Slash/whoever. Just like you didn't have to pick either Slash or Axl's side back in the day. You can just like them all.
  9. 28 points
    Dizzy is great! I love watching her bounce around with her blue hair.
  10. 26 points
    Que Brazilians standing outside Axl house this weekend trying to get the faintest recording.
  11. 26 points
    I think it's cringeworthy , personally.
  12. 25 points
    Why? Don't you think it's personal? It only concerns Steven and his family and friends. No one else. His family told someone he's totally fine. So they obviously don't want to make a big thing about this. Why should GNR make any reference to it? The only thing that matters is Steven will be fine. Anything else is really none of our business at all. This is exactly what's wrong with all that social media shit. People think they're entitled to know everything. The family said he's fine. What more do you want? Even if it wasn't an accident, it's not our business. I don't get how some of you think at all.
  13. 24 points
    One day the band won’t be around anymore and people will say “Damn, I wish I could see Guns live again.” Until then, I’m going to enjoy what’s given to me and whatever comes with it. See you in Charlotte and Vegas.
  14. 24 points
    Clearly you guys aren't fans of the band or understand the bands or Axl's history. Axl has been doing pre show preparation for decades including physical exercise, stretching and having work done on his back. There are a number of articles that mention his pre show practices. Instead of knocking the guy down, maybe read and understand why he does preparation. One would think after decades of doing the same thing, as a 55 year old he might of given it away by now. The fact he is still doing it means it's for a reason. Might not be to your liking or reasons, but you aren't the ones up on stage for 3 hours plus. If you were able to see the man from close up, front of stage, then you would have been able to see the sweat pouring off his forarms and teeshirt. You would need to have physical stamina, fitness and a healthy body to continue being physically active for long periods of time.
  15. 24 points
  16. 23 points
    Please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please have some sort of surprise lined up for us in the way of new music in order to support these tour dates.
  17. 23 points
    anyone a member? I am going through some old stuff and I came across this, I remember I signed up for it for 1 year and I am pretty sure I was supposed to get a Newsletter every 4 months and I got this 1 newsletter and I never heard back from them, kind of makes sense if you look at the timeline as this was dated from May 9, 1996 and Slash left in October and maybe the band went into a disarray and they stopped sending them and making them, anyone know if they made any after this Volume 1 issue 3? anyone have any of the previous 2 Newsletters? it is odd though I received this in May 1996, and looking at the "Language of Fear" thing it talks about a contest and the entries have to be received by February 1995 and the discography says compiled November 1994 and Sympathy for the Devil was released in December 94 so I am guessing they just sent me an old copy.
  18. 22 points
    Axl: Beta, get Fernando on the blower Beta: Why Mr Axl? Axl: Slash keeps talking about recording new music. Beta: What do you want us to do Mr Axl? Axl: Get some fucking tour dates announced pronto. I can't be having this new music talk every time he gets a little down time. Beta: Right away, Mr Axl. Axl: Who knew Alter Bridge would be the bain of my fucking life? Beta: I'm so sorry Mr Axl
  19. 22 points
    Just want to clarify something- I saw someone made a post saying I have strong connections to the band so I want to clarify that I actually do not have any connection to the band at all. This news is true and I do know that for a fact but it's because of others who do have connections with the band that I was able to confirm it. Might seem like a small point, but it's important to me. I don't ever want to give the impression that I'm more connected than others or any sort of "insider"
  20. 21 points
    Mr Brownstone was about geology; Welcome to the Jungle was about environmental conservatism; Nightrain was literally that: being on a train at night; You're Crazy was about mental health awareness; Bad Obsession, obsessive compulsive disorder.
  21. 21 points
  22. 20 points
    The timeline of this is also very confusing, and there are things that don’t add up. By all accounts, the incident took place at Gardner St. studios, where the band rehearsed and practically lived for a while (although it seems that Duff and Izzy had their own apartments, and Axl would crash in various places), in an attached small apartment where they had built a small loft, throwing those infamous parties at the parking lot. There were other bands there – one of them being Johnny and the Jaguars and then called The Wild (Dizzy’s old band) – and many people frequenting the place. Also by all accounts, after the police were informed about the incident and raided the place (according to band members the cops broke down the door of the apartment), the band had to leave it and ended up (right away or after roaming for a few days) living in Vicky Hamilton’s apartment. According to Vicky Hamilton, who also seems to be the source for the books by Stephen Davis (Watch You Bleed) and Mick Wall in regards to the timing, the incident took place in December 1985 and by Christmas the band were at her apartment. Michelle, too, says that it happened during that month, and that two weeks passed before her mother and the cops knew about it; moreover, she says that before the incident, Axl was away in Indiana for weeks, so she wasn’t able to tell him about the alleged pregnancy and then the miscarriage (which, she says, happened five weeks after she knew she was pregnant, and then some more time passed after the miscarriage until Axl finally returned to L.A.). Raz Cue, though, in his book, places it in January 1986, and seems very confident about the timing, as he gives details and a specific time indicator (see below). A look at the known club shows the band played during that time period (late ’85 – early ’86) can help shed some more light, in combination with the other sources: November 22, 1985 – The Troubadour December 20, 1985 – Music Machine January 4, 1986 – The Troubadour January 18, 1986 – The Roxy [January 26, 1986 – Starwood Club (source: a-4-d.com)] [February 1, 1986 – The Troubadour (source: gnrontour.com) or Timbers Ballroom (source: ad & flyer at troccolitm.com] February 28, 1986 – The Troubadour March 21, 1986 - Fenders Ballroom The first thing to notice here (even without the two shows in brackets) is that, in either version of December 1985 or January 1986, the band didn’t hide for a long time; which means that the issue was solved within a short period of time, at least by taking a legal route that allowed Axl and Slash to move freely without being at risk of getting arrested. The December 20 and January 4 shows came with flyers that asked for donations for a “Keep us out of jail fund” (you can see them at gnrontour.com). Another, seemingly earlier, flyer, found in Marc Canter’s book Reckless Road, which advertised all three shows of Dec. 20, Jan. 4 and Jan. 18, didn’t contain the donation bit. This seems to underpin the December 1985 version, furthermore indicating: that the legal trouble had occurred already around mid-December (although the band still played shows - Mick Wall wrote wrongly, among many other inaccuracies, that the Dec. 20 show was cancelled); and, (going by Michelle’s version), that the incident itself happened two weeks prior, i.e. early December - so just a few days after the band had played another show on November 22nd. As I said above, Raz Cue’s book The Days of Guns N’ Raz’s gives a different timing, namely January 1986. According to Raz Cue in the book, the “Dio Boots” girl incident (and the subsequent first police raid that led to Dizzy’s arrest and then to the band’s fleeing) took place about one week after the Roxy show on January 18. In his recent new version of events, as it appears on his website, Raz doesn’t mention anything about getting the date of the “Dio Boots” incident wrong. He only places the incident with Michelle “a couple of weeks” before the – now separate - “Dio Boots” one (so about a week before the Roxy show), and the police raid (and Dizzy’s arrest) for the Michelle incident “the next night, or the one after” the “Dio Boots” incident (so about a week after the Roxy show). So all still in January. It could be just assumed that Raz Cue simply gets the timeline wrong and stop here, but now the big confusion starts. According to Reckless Road, as well as The Days of Guns N’ Raz’s, the Jan. 18 Roxy show created a big buzz, which attracted many A&R people from record labels (it was the show that Tom Zutaut missed because he arrived too late). Slash and Duff don’t give a timing in their autobiographies; Duff, though, says that the incident happened “just as the record label frenzy around us was heating up.” [Steven’s book doesn’t help: he is the only one who doesn’t mention the incident at all, and says that he has no idea why they moved into Vicky Hamilton’s apartment (!); he also seems at times to confuse the Gardner studio with West Arkeen’s and Del’s place.] There is a recording of the Jan. 18th show at the Roxy, where Axl is heard dedicating the last song of the set (Goodnight Tonight) like this: “This is for the last two weeks worth of partying at the studio, and all those sweet girls that we asked to see their tits.” This seems to indicate that the band was still at Gardner studios at that time, giving merit to Raz Cue’s timeline. At the February 28th show, that there is also a recording of, Out Ta Get Me is played for the first time and Axl dedicates it “to the LAPD, and any young girls that like to fuck around.” Slash is heard saying, “[...] if anybody runs into a couple of guys named Jeff and Alan (or Allen), feel free to kick their fucking heads in. These are the guys that kicked in our studio door, so if you see them, be my guest.” So that show was definitely after the incident and after the band had come back from hiding, having also written the song related to it in the meantime. That was also the show Tom Zutaut attended and decided to sign the band. But then what about the “Keep us out of jail fund” flyers for the earlier shows of Dec. 20th and Jan. 4th? Could they have been coincidental, just a clever way to promote the band as “bad boys”? It’s so confusing... ------- Anyway, regardless of which version about the timing is correct and whether the incident took place in December 1985 or January 1986, there seems to be a big problem with the claim that Axl was in Indiana “for weeks” before it happened: As noted above, in the December version (going by what Michelle says about the two weeks that passed between it and the police interference, in combination with the date of the show and the flyer for it), the incident is placed in early December, just a few days after the band had played another show, so Axl was there. In the January version, also (going by Raz Cue’s timeline and Axl’s dedication at the Roxy show) the band had played a show on January 4th, i.e. just about a week before the incident happened (plus they were partying at the rehearsal space for two weeks before the Roxy show), so Axl was there. Moreover: Raz Cue says in his book that Axl went to Indiana before he joined L.A Guns (=last months of 1984 – pre-GnR) and there his parents tried to make him give up being a musician and study to be a sound engineer instead, and that made Axl give it another shot in L.A. and take the offer to join L.A. Guns although he was reluctant before because he didn’t like the music they played. Axl would confirm that his parents had tried to make him go back to Indiana: Axl: Up until we got signed, I lived on the streets for five years. I never lived in one place for more than two months, always crashing at people's houses. My parents would say, 'Come back home and go to college and we'll pay for it' but I would reply, 'No, I have to do this now.' [Hit Parader, April 1987] And in an interview in late December 1987, Axl would say that he had just come back from Indiana, where he hadn’t been for about 2-1/2 years, because the last time he had been there his parents had told him that he would achieve nothing being in a band, so he didn’t want to go back there until he had made it and prove them wrong: Axl: [...] I hadn't been back in two years and the last time I was back there - it was at least two and a half years - I thought, I just told myself, ‘I'm not coming back until I get a record out,’ because too many people kept saying ‘Oh, you'll never get anywhere.’ [Interview with Steve Harris, Dec. 1987] ------ TL;DR: So, the claim that Axl was in Indiana for weeks is disproved by the show dates, and, additionally, it doesn’t seem plausible at all that Axl would want to visit Indiana at that point, when the band had started to get interest from record labels. That was also the time that most of the AFD songs were written, and the band debuted a new one almost at each show (e.g. Nightrain was played for the first time at the Dec. 20 show, My Michelle was debuted at the Jan. 4th show, Out Ta Get Me at the Feb. 28th show), so how Axl couldn't have been there all the time? And, as it has already been pointed out, why would he want a baby at that time?!
  23. 20 points
    Yeah I think they are fairly underrated. Another band that I don't think people often mention enough is The Beatles. Did you know that John Lennon and Paul McCartney were really great songwriters!? That blew my mind, who knew, right?
  24. 20 points
    and that's the thing, right? They were young and thought the stuff they were saying and doing was cool. WE are all young and thought the stuff they were saying and doing was cool. We've all grown up since then; them AND us. So now we can all look back on it and say lesson learned. THAT'S the attitude Duff should have had with his responses, not that "it never happened" or "that's not what we meant" bullshit.
  25. 20 points
    I was there in Malibu and I met Slash on the beach.
  26. 20 points
    Thanks for finding it and sending it, @MillionsOfSpiders ---------------- [...] [On the Motley Crue biopic and the possibility of a Guns N’ Roses movie]: Slash: I thought the Motley movie was great. Actually, I just saw it a couple of days ago, and it really took me back to the early days in the 80's all the way through their career, because I just remember everything that sort of happened along the way. And then it gave me an insight, sort of internal details that I wasn’t really aware of. But I thought that came out great. I wouldn’t want to do a Guns movie like that. I couldn’t imagine trying to find somebody to play the different members of the band (laughs). It just doesn’t even seem possible. But I think we have a lot of concert footage from the 90's in the can, like 24/7 footage from 1991 to 1994 of just every day on the road with Guns N’ Roses, and it’s been sitting in a vault for years. I would love for that to be edited at one point and put out. So we’ll see if that ever happens. [On “Leaving Neverland” and the new Michael Jackson controversy]: Slash: I can’t weigh in on that. I haven’t seen it. I mean, I was on the road in Europe and there was some talk of what the movie revealed and so on, but I can’t really make any kind of statement about it, because I haven’t seen it yet. And it’s been really quiet since that initial release, so I’m not really sure. [On the plans for the rest of 2019]: Slash: After South America, we'll go straight to Europe and do the festivals over there. And after Europe, we'll go back to the States and Canada to do our first Canadian tour plus some U.S. dates; and that goes until August. Then, after that, I’m gonna hook up with Guns N’ Roses. Guns N’ Roses has a small tour in October. And then, you know, there’s been so much talk about the Guns N’ Roses record, which we haven’t actually done anything with (laughs); so we’re gonna sort of focus on that. And the Conspirators will be some time coming up, depending on what Guns N’ Roses is doing, but I’ve already started putting together material for the new Conspirators record. -------------- I have transcribed all the interview here: http://www.a-4-d.com/t3818-2019-04-05-futuro-88-9-fm-chile-interview-with-slash#14101 Original source: https://www.futuro.cl/2019/04/slash-no-me-gustaria-ver-una-pelicula-de-guns-n-roses-como-la-de-motley-crue/
  27. 20 points
  28. 20 points
    Lol although I'd take Scraped and Shotgun Blues over the entire LA Guns discog so I'll gladly be a fan of the "average" Use Your Illusions over LA Guns' "interesting albums"
  29. 20 points
    "Axl should be a free thinking person. Unless he thinks something I don't think, then he is not intelligent or capable of thinking for himself"
  30. 19 points
  31. 19 points
    I was round at a friend's house the other day and she said hey look at this, and showed me a mint condition box set - the first one I've ever seen, so I was going nuts saying "whose is it?" She said it's her housemate's, so I went to speak to him all excited, saying "hey wow you own a box set" and he just goes "yeah I designed it", all matter of factly. He works for Universal. I only had a few minutes to ask him about it, but here's what he told me: during the design process, there was a lot of discussion and dispute between the band and the record company about what should go into it. The band were less keen on having all the gimmicks go in, the merchandise etc, but were insistent on including as much music as possible including the rare demos. The dispute about what should go in went on for so long that eventually the record company just put their foot down and said well we've run out of time so this is what's going in. What struck me was that he wasn't a fan as such, just some designer dude who got the job. I asked him about the non inclusion of OIAM but he'd never even heard of the song, so knew nothing about that aspect. He said he was gonna sell his on eBay lol.
  32. 19 points
    "we're gonna get some more recording done and hopefully get an album out soon. And then we'll get back to touring" Richard Fortus 2009 "we're gonna get some more recording done and hopefully get an album out soon. And then we'll get back to touring" Richard Fortus 2010 "we're gonna get some more recording done and hopefully get an album out soon. And then we'll get back to touring" Richard Fortus 2011 "we're gonna get some more recording done and hopefully get an album out soon. And then we'll get back to touring" Richard Fortus 2012 "we're gonna get some more recording done and hopefully get an album out soon. And then we'll get back to touring" Richard Fortus 2013 "we're gonna get some more recording done and hopefully get an album out soon. And then we'll get back to touring" Richard Fortus 2014 "we're gonna get some more recording done and hopefully get an album out soon. And then we'll get back to touring" Richard Fortus 2015 "we're gonna get some more recording done and hopefully get an album out soon. And then we'll get back to touring" Richard Fortus 2016 "we're gonna get some more recording done and hopefully get an album out soon. And then we'll get back to touring" Richard Fortus 2017 "we're gonna get some more recording done and hopefully get an album out soon. And then we'll get back to touring" Richard Fortus 2018 Slash: yo dude go get some rest at the back seat I'll get behind the wheel till Dizzy wakes up again Richard: tnx bro. I'd appreciate... "we're gonna get some more recording done and hopefully get an album out soon. And then we'll get back to touring" Slash 2019 "we're gonna get some more recording done and hopefully get an album out soon. And then we'll get back to touring" Slash 2020 "we're gonna get some more recording done and hopefully get an album out soon. And then we'll get back to touring" Slash 2021 "we're gonna get some more recording done and hopefully get an album out soon. And then we'll get back to touring" Slash 2022 "we're gonna get some more recording done and hopefully get an album out soon. And then we'll get back to touring" Slash 2023 "we're gonna get some more recording done and hopefully get an album out soon. And then we'll get back to touring" Slash 2024 "we're gonna get some more recording done and hopefully get an album out soon. And then we'll get back to touring" Slash 2025.............................
  33. 18 points
    I'll start with two: 1) I prefer Don't Cry (Alt Lyrics) over Don't Cry. 2) I think Chinese Democracy is some of Axl's best work.
  34. 18 points
    Are you serious? Do you think for a Broadway actor who does the same show every night it isn't a lot of work too? For any band to go out and put on a show, let alone a 3 hour show it is a lot of work. Give credit where credit is due.
  35. 18 points
    How can nerds be worried about the new Terminator being a "feminist" movie when the whole series is built on the shoulders of a strong female character that is the main character in 3 movies and a TV series and even in the movies that she isn't in, her presence and values are still integral to the plot and story? OH NO THIS SERIES ABOUT A STRONG WOMAN HAS STRONG WOMEN IN THE NEW VERSION. Lmao. Fucking goofs.
  36. 18 points
  37. 18 points
    People want this absurd mash up of an album with 20 different musicians. Isn't one of the main gripes of CD was that it was so in-cohesive just for that reason?
  38. 18 points
  39. 18 points
    You know what I want more than a new GNR record?? I want for fans to stop continually telling each other what is or is not GNR based on their own personal preference lol
  40. 18 points
    I just posted this in the the "There Will Never Be Another GN'R Album" thread, but the mods, admins and I thought it might be good to have a thread discussing all of the rumors that keep bubbling around lately. Here's the post I made in the other thread which seems like a good starting point for this new thread: Just an FYI for everyone-There seem to be more than the usual amount of rumors being shared here and elsewhere lately. I've personally heard everything from "New studio album coming with an announcement in January!" to "there's a live album coming with some bonus studio tracks" to "the only thing coming is a live album and a studio cover or Witchitaw Lineman" to everything in between.The sources on these things range from the semi-reliable; "this guy was right about (insert rumor here) in the past" to the ridiculous; "a guy from another board knows a guy who told him".Either way, I'm hoping where there's smoke there's fire. I would LOVE for a new studio album from GNR to be in the works and for it to be released in 2019. Personally, I have zero interest in a live album and/or a few studio tracks. I would really, really want a full, new, studio album from GN'R but that's just me.Most importantly, I'm just hoping something happens. The most frustrating part of these situations is when nothing actually happens. Then our "insider" and "folks in the know" get to fall back on the "Well, that was the plan but things changed" excuse which is so tired and played out already.
  41. 18 points
  42. 17 points
    Pinball machines, an aviation line, literally everything besides new music.
  43. 17 points
    What the hell does it matter whether there was wrong information at the time or not? In fact that initial report is what made a few peoples comments so disgusting. A report comes out that someone stabs themselves in the stomach and the first thing some people think about is using the incident as an argument as to why he shouldn't be in a band? Different opinion??? It has nothing to do with my "opinion" on if Steven should be in the band or not. To be honest that issue was the farthest thing from my my mind when I read the news. I was much more concerned on the persons well being than his status in a band. There comes a point when somethings are just far more important. To most people anyway. That is where the human decency comes in. If Frank stabbed himself in the stomach I can assure you I wouldn't immediately start posting about bringing Matt, Adler, Fitz or any other drummer into the band. I just wouldn't. So you can take your hypocrite comment and stick it some place it hurts...
  44. 17 points
    For people like you, who seem determined to dislike anything the current line up might put out, yes the writting will have been on the wall. The rest of us with open minds will wait until we hear any of the material before passing judgement.
  45. 17 points
  46. 17 points
    "turn around bitch I got a use for you" is as sexist a lyric as I ever heard, but I have no problem with that. it was meant to provoke and to have a laugh, not being taken literally and that's how I hear them. But this twisting and turning and "it was misunderstood" nonsense is token of the PC culture we live in today. In the light of this, I don't think Duff is best placed to write a song dedicated to the metoo movement. it's dishonest, cringeworthy and reeking of hypocrisy. Just be a man and stand by what you say, don't go twisting your own words in order to please some SJW's. You meant nothing wrong with that line, so don't go acting as if you did anything wrong.
  47. 17 points
    so, the band knows how it feels to be ripped off.
  48. 17 points
    Maybe Axl is just letting him use the studio for a new Slash solo album ... Playing the ultimate troll on us
  49. 16 points
    It'd be sweet if GNR put half as much energy into releasing new music for their fans to buy as they do looking for lawsuits.
  50. 16 points
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