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  1. US Politics/Elections Thread

    Your dates don't line up. You first claimed America intervened in the 2018 election, which was your original timeline of criticism. This poll was taken over a year later, and largely a representation of the fallout regarding opposition legislators being investigated for corruption. Moreover, as per the article, "87 percent of those surveyed said they wanted Maduro and his allies, or chavistas, out of office." Moral and strategic can often coincide. Or do you think other nations should just not pick a side while autocratic leaders starve their own people?
  2. US Politics/Elections Thread

    Do you have anything to support your claim that Maduro has more support than Juan Guaidó? Most of the polling I've seen shows the opposite. Maduro clings to power because he retains support of the military.
  3. US Politics/Elections Thread

    I won't defend Bush's Iraq war, but that's not really within the same conversation relating to what we're talking about meddling in foreign elections in the last twenty to thirty years. Sorry, you'll have to explain to me how the U.S. attempted to undermine what was already a sham election to ensure Maduro's "victory." The man used the nation's literal hunger as leverage to buy votes. While I'm certainly no supporter of Trump, any effort to rid Venzuela of Maduro for the benefit of the people of Venezuela is nothing to criticize. The trial has started. They are presenting evidence.
  4. US Politics/Elections Thread

    No, that's not what I said. It's not about Russia influencing its neighbours, but using overt military action and indirect military support across state lines to undermine foreign governments. Ukraine, Georgia, Chechnya. And you're ignoring their efforts to involve themselves in the elections of others (Brexit, Netherlands, France, Germany, U.S., etc.). Yes, Americans are no saints when it comes to that fact. America in the 1950s and 1960s were as bad if not worse than how Russia currently involves itself in the electoral affairs of other nations. But the last twenty to thirty years have seen a noticeable sea change in who America "supports" versus Russian actions. Generally, though with exceptions (particularly Haiti under the Trump administration) have made efforts to support parties and political figures that support non-authoritarian figures who oppose dictators and seek to promote democracy. Russia, on the other hand, has a recent history of shoring up support for populist factions and autocratic rulers.
  5. US Politics/Elections Thread

    Do whatever you want. But if you're going to post here, be prepared to have half baked posts scrutinized by other posters.
  6. US Politics/Elections Thread

    A lot of what you post isn't accurate, or at best, not properly contextualized. You have this cynical view of the Democratic Party that isn't really born out by the facts. You have claimed that Hillary's statements represents the Democratic party when there's little to substantiate that claim. You claim that Democrats have gotten crushed in elections when they moved to the centre, but that fails to consider the losses of McGovern in 1972, Dukakis in 1988, and the wins of Clinton in 1992, 1996, and Obama in 2008 and 2012. Nor does it consider the fact that most of the Democrats who won Republican seats in the 2018 mid-terms were largely centrists, with the more progressive and Bernie aligned candidates doing quite poorly. The problem I have with many Sanders supporters is often the same problem I have with Trump supporters. Obviously some Bernie supporters in this thread prove the exception to what I'm about to say, but by and large, Sanders supporters are willing to believe in absurd and lofty promises that their candidate puts forward the same way Trump supporters blindly follow whatever he spews forth on a daily basis. I find both camps suffer from a cult of personality that limits their ability to separate the faith and loyalty they bestow upon their dear leader from any semblance of objectivity and reason.
  7. US Politics/Elections Thread

    There's way more to it than just Russia's support of Iran. There is their military incursions amongst their eastern European neighbours, most particularly Ukraine and its annexation of Crimea. Then there's also the matters of targeted political assassinations both at home and abroad, along with their efforts to undermine and sway elections in most western developed nations. Again, if you look at the brief summary I included, it's not just that she defends Syria and Assad, but that she openly criticized Obama for not bombing Syria and yet clings to isolationist bonafides. It appears she's happy to toe the Russian foreign interests within certain regions regardless of whether she's an active asset or not. As opposed to the bad information you usually spew in this thread.
  8. US Politics/Elections Thread

    Again, I'll underscore Clinton being clumsy about her assessment. I don't actually think she's correct in that Gabbard is an agent of the Russian government. But I do think Gabbard helps and furthers Russian geopolitical interests for the reasons I listed above.
  9. US Politics/Elections Thread

    - Continues to support Assad in Syria - Casts doubts about Assad's use of chemical weapons - Yet somehow blasts Obama for not bombing Al-Qaeda in Syria while throwing love to Putin: - So wafts between isolationism and foreign interventions when for less than consistent reasons. - Refuses to renounce any support she might be getting from Russia. https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-being-used-russians-former-us-double-agent-evidence-clear-opinion-1466750 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/russian-web-trolls-boo-biden-often-boost-gabbard-report-finds-n1085216 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/vb5anj/heres-how-much-russian-media-loves-tulsi-gabbard-and-hates-biden Many sources...
  10. US Politics/Elections Thread

    Gabbard suing Hillary for calling her a Russian asset. I have a strong dislike for both so I don’t know who to root for. I suppose Clinton because I think she’s clumsily right about Gabbard.
  11. US Politics/Elections Thread

    So your claim here is that they shouldn't bother and essentially allow the President to do whatever he or she wants, regardless of how egregious or abusive their actions may be? Which is dumb since Tim Horton's isn't even Canadian anymore; owned and run by a hedge fund out of Brazil.
  12. US Politics/Elections Thread

    Ughh, more bullshit from you. Hillary isn't the Democratic party. The Democrats will rally around the nominee, regardless of who ends up being the nominee. Bloomberg is already on record saying he'll spend over $1 billion of his own money in the 2020 campaign regardless of who ends up being the Democratic candidate (even if it's not him) to ensure Trump isn't re-elected in 2020. Please stop pushing false narratives.
  13. US Politics/Elections Thread

    I agree, especially when there are so many other and better vulnerable areas to hit Bernie. Resorting to matters of sexism and misogyny isn't going to convince anyone at this point.
  14. Guys and gals, let's keep things respectful. I realize somethings are said in jest, but I'm not inclined to allow exaggerated images about people's weight to stand. Thanks for your understanding.
  15. US Politics/Elections Thread

    Maybe the 1972 election between McGovern v Nixon taught Democrats that nominating the most progressive candidate for President wasn’t the way to go either.